Wonder Woman Vs Quasar

Originally posted by zopzop
During the Serpent Crown affair. Quasar was working for Project Pegasus. He was controlled by the Serpent Crown. He held thing up in Quantum cuffs. Thing smashed them.

Plus when Quasar was applying for Avengers membership after the Atlantis Attacks affair, he admitted to Captain America that "they (his constructs) were pretty sturdy, having take repeated blows from the Thing. But I doubt he was going all out."

not to nitpick, but both of those events you cited (serpent crown and atlantis attacks) were VERY early quasar. Atlantis Attacks was 1989- the same year Quasar got his own series. Serpent Crown was even earlier than THAT. It's pretty obvious that he has better control over his constructs by now. Should we start listing wonder woman's limitations from her first issues as evidence of what she can do?

The scan that's been repeatedly posted (with quasar holding off hulk, she hulk, thing, thor, hercules) specifically takes place AFTER infinity gauntlet. Infinity gauntlet was YEARS after both atlantis attacks and the serpent crown saga.

Later showings trump earlier ones, unless quasar was specifically powered down. this hasn't happened.

He CANNOT affect anything outside the electromagnetic spectrum. See my earlier scan in this thread. Half-life was beyond Quasar because her powers were based on the Weak Force. Since they fell outside the EM Spectrum, PIS had to be invoked and he used her boots to bind her hands.

really? because I have a pretty fun scan of Quasar draining "a star's worth" of power cosmic energy from the silver surfer during combat, and I'm 100% positive "power cosmic" doesn't fall along the EM spectrum.

This reply was a little late to edit my last post, so it's just a followup. Expanding on Quasar's ability to drain and manipulate power cosmic,

Here is a scan where he powerdrains his team members to forge a construct.

Those team members? Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Ronan the Accuser, Major Victory, Gladiator, Nova, and Namorita, and does so without their permission or knowledge. Nearly all of these are fueled by energy not within the EM spectrum, and one (beta ray) is explicitly fueled by a magical power source (Stormbreaker). Assuming this scan isn't bizarrely out of character, this is pretty definitive proof Quasar can drain non-EM energy, and a strong argument he should be able to drain wonder woman specifically.

Originally posted by khazra
[B]So he cant manipulate her energy, thats fair enough. What energy does wonderwoman have anyways?

But thats not why she was breaking his constructs as you claimed.

What did I claim about Half Life breaking Quasar's energy constructs?

His constructs still work fine against those outside the EM spectrum, she just had a power which broke them down.

When? I gave you two examples of them being broken/penetrated by people wielding exotic energy powers : Darkstar and Dr. Spectrum.

Edit> Magic weapons are the question here and quasars shield has taken a mjolnir throw without cracking.

When?

Originally posted by Space M ummy

not to nitpick, but both of those events you cited (serpent crown and atlantis attacks) were VERY early quasar. Atlantis Attacks was 1989- the same year Quasar got his own series. Serpent Crown was even earlier than THAT. It's pretty obvious that he has better control over his constructs by now. Should we start listing wonder woman's limitations from her first issues as evidence of what she can do?

The scan that's been repeatedly posted (with quasar holding off hulk, she hulk, thing, thor, hercules) specifically takes place AFTER infinity gauntlet. Infinity gauntlet was YEARS after both atlantis attacks and the serpent crown saga.

Later showings trump earlier ones, unless quasar was specifically powered down. this hasn't happened.

I'll have to look into it but I had the whole Quasar series. These weren't the only times his energy constucts have been taken down by physical force.

[quote]really? because I have a pretty fun scan of Quasar draining "a star's worth" of power cosmic energy from the silver surfer during combat, and I'm 100% positive "power cosmic" doesn't fall along the EM spectrum.

Actually I'm pretty sure it is. It's been repeated countless times by Quasar himself, he has ZERO control over energy not in the electromagnetic spectrum. See my Half Life /Quasar scan.

Has Quasar ever manipulated magic?

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll have to look into it but I had the whole Quasar series. These weren't the only times his energy constucts have been taken down by physical force.

no one said his energy constructs haven't been taken down by physical force. It's pretty easy to come up with scans where LANTERN constructs have been taken out by sufficient physical force. What I'm pointing out is that quasar's control over his constructs improved over time.

You cited two examples of quasar having problems with the Thing VERY early in his career (BEFORE his series, as I pointed out) and I pointed out that a scan of quasar holding off far, far more physical damage than thing is capable of came long AFTER that scan. There's a lot more evidence of vaughn improving in his powers- it used to take him years to traverse the solar system before he mastered Q-zone jumping. It's common sense man.

Actually I'm pretty sure it is. It's been repeated countless times by Quasar himself, he has ZERO control over energy not in the electromagnetic spectrum. See my Half Life /Quasar scan. [/B]

since you insisted:

that's clearly quasar draining Power cosmic, and explicitly using it as a power source. and that's the SECOND time I've posted a scan of him doing it. Unless you want to argue that Power cosmic is somehow EM energy (and good luck there) your argument is void. PC is the very definition of "Exotic energy".

Originally posted by Space M ummy
[B]no one said his energy constructs haven't been taken down by physical force. It's pretty easy to come up with scans where LANTERN constructs have been taken out by sufficient physical force. What I'm pointing out is that quasar's control over his constructs improved over time.

You cited two examples of quasar having problems with the Thing VERY early in his career (BEFORE his series, as I pointed out) and I pointed out that a scan of quasar holding off far, far more physical damage than thing is capable of came long AFTER that scan. There's a lot more evidence of vaughn improving in his powers- it used to take him years to traverse the solar system before he mastered Q-zone jumping. It's common sense man.

Fine. I haven't read much of Quasar since his series ended.

since you insisted:

that's clearly quasar draining Power cosmic. Unless you want to argue that Power cosmic is somehow EM energy (and good luck there) your argument is void. PC is the very definition of "Exotic energy".

Wrong. Then why has he REPEATEDLY mentioned that his bands have no control over energy outside the EM spectrum (confirmed by Maelstrom when he had them too)? Darkstar has penetrated his constructs, he even said he made his shield as "dense as he could and they still got through", Dr. Spectrum has done it. Half Life using the Weak Force has done it. He said himself that he has no control over these energies because they fall outside the EM spectrum. Thus we can safely conclude that the power cosmic falls within the EM spectrum or else Quasar couldn't drain it.

EDIT :

Here's the Quasar/Darkstar fight that took place AFTER the Surfer/Quasar fight :

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He has NO control over it.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Has Quasar ever manipulated magic?

Never. He was almost crushed to death by the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak until Captain Britain saved his ass though.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fine. I haven't read much of Quasar since his series ended.

Wrong. Then why has he REPEATEDLY mentioned that his bands have no control over energy outside the EM spectrum (confirmed by Maelstrom when he had them too)? Darkstar has penetrated his constructs, he even said he made his shield as "dense as he could and they still got through", Dr. Spectrum has done it. Half Life using the Weak Force has done it. He said himself that he has no control over these energies because they fall outside the EM spectrum. Thus we can safely conclude that the power cosmic falls within the EM spectrum or else Quasar couldn't drain it.

😆 The EM spectrum is already clearly defined. there's no "power cosmic" anywhere on it. Sorry, chief. when the PC is used from everything from merging living things with surfer's board to traveling through time, the argument that it's EM energy is pretty much null and void.

We also know the quantum bands can protect against psychic attacks. Is psionic energy on the EM spectrum too?

Obviously not. PC and Psi energy are fictional, with fictional properties not found on the EM spectrum. The only thing the events with Darkstar and Dr. Spectrum prove is that Vaughn's abilities either does not apply to them specifically, OR his control over his abilities was inferior to their control over their powers.

edit: Here's quasar absorbing energy from the god damn phoenix and using it on modred the mystic. note that his quantum bands work just fine at restraining modred before the effort of holding off phoenix weakens them.

quasar vs modred and phoenix

Originally posted by Space M ummy
😆 The EM spectrum is already clearly defined. there's no "power cosmic" anywhere on it. Sorry, chief. when the PC is used from everything from merging living things with surfer's board to traveling through time, the argument that it's EM energy is pretty much null and void.

We also know the quantum bands can protect against psychic attacks. Is psionic energy on the EM spectrum too?

Obviously not. PC and Psi energy are fictional, with fictional properties not found on the EM spectrum. The only thing the events with Darkstar and Dr. Spectrum prove is that Vaughn's abilities either does not apply to them specifically, OR his control over his abilities was inferior to their control over their powers.

Wrong. I can post scans all day showing Quasar say he has no control of energy outside the EM spectrum. I assumed this was common knowledge and I can't even believe it's up to debate.

PS when was it shown he has any sort of defense vs psionics?

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. I can post scans all day showing Quasar say he has no control of energy outside the EM spectrum. I assumed this was common knowledge and I can't even believe it's up to debate.

PS when was it shown he has any sort of defense vs psionics?

see above for my scan of EARLY quasar vs. Phoenix and Modred. your argument=obliterated.

but since you asked, quasar stating AND showing he's immune to psionic attack.

here you go

What did I claim about Half Life breaking Quasar's energy constructs?

He CANNOT affect anything outside the electromagnetic spectrum. See my earlier scan in this thread. Half-life was beyond Quasar because her powers were based on the Weak Force. Since they fell outside the EM Spectrum, PIS had to be invoked and he used her boots to bind her hands. She was shattering his constructs and there was nothing he could do about it. If he got within arms reach of her, she'd kill him instantly. Quantum aura or no.

When?

Originally posted by khazra
[B]Your trying to imply that she can easily break the constructs because of the nature of her powers when it wa the power itself that was breaking them down.

It WAS the nature of her powers! For god's sake she's WIELDING THE FREAKING WEAK FORCE. Read the whole scan.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsQuasar2.jpg

It BARELY survived a blow from a non bloodlusted Thor? Gratz.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
see above for my scan of EARLY quasar vs. Phoenix and Modred. your argument=obliterated.

But it was Mordred NOT Phoenix that cast the spell crushing him inside the bands. Now show me anytime afterword that he has any control over magic.

but since you asked, quasar stating AND showing he's immune to psionic attack.

here you go

Ah yes! I think there was a story behind that. Let me look it up, I think it involves soemthing done by Eon.

Thor >> Wonderwoman. And he can just reform another shield if it breaks with no gap. His energy is unlimited.

I did. He states he cant manipulate the weak force. I agree with you.

Hitting her with or containing her with a construct is not manipulating the weakforce. The reason the construct doesnt work is because her power is to break things down on a molecular level. That is evident. Maybe you should read the whole scan or stop just seeing what you want to see.

Originally posted by khazra
[B]Thor >> Wonderwoman. And he can just reform another hsield if it breaks with no gap. His energy is unlimited.

He strained to stop that casual hammer throw from Thor. What's he gonna do vs an angry Diana?

I did. He states he cant manipulate the weak force. I agree with you.

Hitting her with or containing her with a construct is not manipulating the weakforce. The reason the construct doesnt work is because her power is to break things down on a molecular level. That is evident. Maybe you should read the whole scan or stop just seeing what you want to see.

By USING the Weak Force which the Quantum bands have NO control over. He couldn't shut down or siphon her power because they were outside the EM spectrum.

I'm arguing against the idea that having magical weapons in any way helps Diana break constructs or makes her any more resistant.

WW can match Thor for strength if she gets her Gauntlets.

Here's a scan of Quasar (again, these scans are pretty damn old) Deflecting mjolnir with a HASTILY ERECTED shield, THEN encasing mjolnir inside a force shield.

here

It takes "all Thor's strength" to break the shield and get mjolnir out.

and here

You'd be hard pressed to find a more powerful magical artifact than mjolnir in the MU, so clearly, Vaughn's weakness against magic isn't absolute.

But it was Mordred NOT Phoenix that cast the spell crushing him inside the bands. Now show me anytime afterword that he has any control over magic.

but since you asked, quasar stating AND showing he's immune to psionic attack.

you missed the point of the scan. First, Vaughn's bands are restraining modred the mystic. If his powers didn't work on magic, modred wouldn't have been restrained in the first place. they were only broken when quasar's focus/powers weakened.

SECOND, Quasar is clearly draining and redirecting phoenix force energy. It may not be magic, but it's at MINIMUM an assload of psionic power (since rachel is a tp/tk) and at worst abstract force. It has nothing to do with EM energy, and yet vaughn is shielding himself from it and controlling it.

Quasar can control non EM energy. deal with it.

Now, I'm not claiming Quasar has no magical weakness whatsoever. that would be stupid, since it's been stated elsewhere. but clearly it's not an "instant win" for a magical opponent. Offensively his powers WILL work against magical items and opponents, and defensively his constructs will hold up to a point. they're just less effective.

Since it's been shown in this thread that quasar can hold off mjolnir not once but at least twice versus thor, he's not going to have any issues with wonder woman's items.

Originally posted by khazra
I'm arguing against the idea that having magical weapons in any way helps Diana break constructs or makes her any more resistant.

Then you'd be half right. Magic weapons breaking the constructs, definitely possible. Making her any more resistant, probably not.