Originally posted by Galan007Yet a spear defeated Michael ? I have already explained Michael is the power to create. This feat doesn't translate into anything less than can't hurt these guys if you actually read the series you'd realize they weren't these unstoppable beings.
I'm curious what people think Beyonder is going to do here? Lucifer (and Mike) have already tanked a multiversal big bang at ground zero -- and I've never once seen Beyonder generate even that type of offensive force. /shrug
Originally posted by quanchi112Ah I didnt read the series because I pointed out an uber feat? Interesting.
Yet a spear defeated Michael ? I have already explained Michael is the power to create. This feat doesn't translate into anything less than can't hurt these guys if you actually read the series you'd realize they weren't these unstoppable beings.
By that 'logic' I might assume that you didn't read the series because you pointed out a low showing that occured while Lucifer was not at full power, without specifying such.
Originally posted by quanchi112Lke thanos being "unstoppable" kinda
Yet a spear defeated Michael ? I have already explained Michael is the power to create. This feat doesn't translate into anything less than can't hurt these guys if you actually read the series you'd realize they weren't these unstoppable beings.
Originally posted by Galan007What does someone spearing Michael have to do with Lucy ?
Ah I didnt read the series because I pointed out an uber feat? Interesting.By that 'logic' I might assume that you didn't read the series because you pointed out a low showing that occured while Lucifer was not at full power, without specifying such.
Did you even read my post ?
Originally posted by Black bolt zWhen did I say he was unstoppable ?
Lke thanos being "unstoppable" kinda
Originally posted by Galan007I see you realized you were wrong and I was right about the facts I presented. Sandalphon's spear isn't more powerful than the explosion lucy molded into his own.
Just now.
The funny thing is you are arguing like carver taking one feat of Gladiators like tanking a galaxy buster and acting like anything else can't hurt him despite characters far less doing so just like with gladiator.
This is why feat arguing for the most part ignores how these characters are portrayed.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer was completely unfazed by a multiversal big bang to the face.
And so was Beyonder unfazed by the power that was greater than all of others combined.
If MM could do such offensive attack, what to say about PR Beyonder.
Originally posted by Galan007
I forgot to mention that Lucifer was the one who warped those raw big bang energies into a physical creation/multiverse.
And Beyonder did what Lucifer+Michael had to do together, but on a much larger scale, since his realm was so much bigger than all others combined.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
those guys are nothing to lucifer or micheal....
Lucifer or Michael on their own against LT, I really doubt LT is nothing to them.
And fully backed Spectre would mean a full power from The Presence, which would mean that Lucifer or Michael wouldn't be above him.
But Spectre was never fully backed up with the full power of The Presence.
Originally posted by Galan007My logic is sound and you know it. You argue for these characters like carver is to glads. One feat--clinging to it and dismissing far less hurting or beating them on panel.
Nah, I'm just ignoring you in general (debates you're involved in tend to annoy me.) I'd be more than happy to debate with someone else though. 🙂
Originally posted by XplosiveWhat to say, indeed. You see, my problem here isn't whether or not Beyonder has ridiculous amounts of implied power, it's whether or not he demonstrated said power enough (via feats) to deserve the wankage he receives around here. Imo, he didn't. Iyo, he did.
And so was Beyonder unfazed by the power that was greater than all of others combined.
If MM could do such offensive attack, what to say about PR Beyonder.
Originally posted by XplosiveI am certainly not going to debate which infinity of the two was larger (it's pure nonsense, imo.)
And Beyonder did what Lucifer+Michael had to do together, but on a much larger scale, since his realm was so much bigger than all others combined.
All I was pointing out is: a.) Lucifer was utterly unfazed by a multiversal big bang dropped on his face, and b.) he was able to warp those raw/untamed energies into a physical multiverse.
Some think Beyonder has feats of equal value, some don't. Just stating my opinion, is all.
Originally posted by quanchi112😂
My logic is sound and you know it. You argue for these characters like carver is to glads. One feat--clinging to it and dismissing far less hurting or beating them on panel.
If you're trying to 'push my buttons', it isn't working... It might have if I were 12-13 though, so props for that..?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yet a spear defeated Michael ?
Here are the flaws with this Argument:
1) Michael was not even fighting his hardest. It is stated on panel he could have destroyed the heanly host with a Gesture if he had wanted to
2) Most people would not expect heavenly weapons to be a standard weapon. If WW uses enhanced items from Olmypians, imagine what heavenly weapons can probably do
3) This Spear must be stronger than a Multiversal Explosion since that did not cause him any harm
4) Even if you ignore 1, 2, and 3 then for some reason his Father/God decided to give him 1 weakness-spears. Unless his opponents know to use a Spear they will be unable to harm him. I would bet there is not a single scan of anyone on Team 1 using a Spear in battle 🙂