PR Beyonder, Kubik & Molecule Man vs. Lucifer, Arcangel Michael & Spectre

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
Here are the flaws with this Argument:

1) Michael was not even fighting his hardest. It is stated on panel he could have destroyed the heanly host with a Gesture if he had wanted to

2) Most people would not expect heavenly weapons to be a standard weapon. If WW uses enhanced items from Olmypians, imagine what heavenly weapons can probably do

3) This Spear must be stronger than a Multiversal Explosion since that did not cause him any harm

4) Even if you ignore 1, 2, and 3 then for some reason his Father/God decided to give him 1 weakness-spears. Unless his opponents know to use a Spear they will be unable to harm him. I would bet there is not a single scan of anyone on Team 1 using a Spear in battle 🙂

2)Speculation as we've seen other beings who weren't heavenly hurt angels and we also saw sandalphon killed rather easily at the end of the arc.

3)False. It isn't stronger than any mulitversal explosion just like Thor's hammer isn't more powerful than a galaxy buster.

4) I shot down your entire argument and you act like comics are consistent even when handled by the same writer.

I would imagine you are the only person who assumes that heavenly weapons are the same one's used by humans 🙂

If a Multiversal Explosion cannot harm him, that means the spear would have to be stronger to harm him.

Like I said, even if you accept the Spear Weakness, I have never seen anyone in Team 1 use a Spear Before, do you have scans of any of the 3 using 1?

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
I would imagine you are the only person who assumes that heavenly weapons are the same one's used by humans 🙂

If a Multiversal Explosion cannot harm him, that means the spear would have to be stronger to harm him.

Like I said, even if you accept the Spear Weakness, I have never seen anyone in Team 1 use a Spear Before, do you have scans of any of the 3 using 1?

The explosion wasn't meant to harm him it's the power to create and lucy had the knowledge and skill to do so. Most characters don't but he did. It's also different characters, anyways.

They don't need to use a spear beyonder has power in spades and wouldn't be felled in such a manner.

Originally posted by Galan007
Some think Beyonder has feats of equal value, some don't. Just stating my opinion, is all.

Yup, I agree. Fair enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My logic is sound and you know it. You argue for these characters like carver is to glads. One feat--clinging to it and dismissing far less hurting or beating them on panel.

Like you "cling" to thanos's supposed galactus level shields with one good showing and his wanked "avatar of death" level with no amp at all and his "killing unkillable beings" which given the context isn't that impressive?

Irony.

Team 2 takes it. The saying "God before Genesis" or whatever does not really give much hope to team 1..

Originally posted by kevdude
Team 2 takes it. The saying "God before Genesis" or whatever does not really give much hope to team 1..

Beyonder being Marvel reality, killing multi-versal Death, not having any low showings, wrecking the multi-verse with ease, being called "the living embodiment of the supreme power" (supreme = god), along with the statement "...millions of times more than all the rest of the of the power in the multi-verse combined..." doesn't give much hope to team 2.

In the "What If", didn't Doom use up all of Beyonder's power when he destroyed the entire Celestial race? Granted the Celestials are Uber but it shows a limitation to his power if it took all of his power to do so. (Going by memory so I could be wrong, but do not think I am....)

A truly Omnipotent Power could have allowed Doom to simply snap his fingers or will the Celestials to no longer exists. Granted it is Doom and not Beyonder using the powers but it is still the same power.

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
In the "What If", didn't Doom use up all of Beyonder's power when he destroyed the entire Celestial race? Granted the Celestials are Uber but it shows a limitation to his power if it took all of his power to do so. (Going by memory so I could be wrong, but do not think I am....)

A truly Omnipotent Power could have allowed Doom to simply snap his fingers or will the Celestials to no longer exists. Granted it is Doom and not Beyonder using the powers but it is still the same power.

He said he could have destroyed the multiverse and the celestials believed him. Thats well beyond enough power to kill all celestials with ease.

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
In the "What If", didn't Doom use up all of Beyonder's power when he destroyed the entire Celestial race? Granted the Celestials are Uber but it shows a limitation to his power if it took all of his power to do so. (Going by memory so I could be wrong, but do not think I am....)

A truly Omnipotent Power could have allowed Doom to simply snap his fingers or will the Celestials to no longer exists. Granted it is Doom and not Beyonder using the powers but it is still the same power.

if he was omnipotent he should of killed all of them with a stray thought......

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
if he was omnipotent he should of killed all of them with a stray thought......

also the celestials actually let him win.....

No, they didn't.

yes they did, they gave off the illusion he was winning.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, they didn't.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes they did, they gave off the illusion he was winning.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes they did, they gave off the illusion he was winning.

😐

That's why this is pre-retcon Beyonder...

Originally posted by Mindset
If he actually wanted to kill them he could...😐

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes they did, they gave off the illusion he was winning.

Originally posted by Mindset
You mean after Beyonder was retconned?

Pre-retcon beyonder could shit-stomp all celestials.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Oh god....the Irony.

Like you "cling" to thanos's supposed galactus level shields with one good showing and his wanked "avatar of death" level with no amp at all and his "killing unkillable beings" which given the context isn't that impressive?

Irony.