Silverback Gorilla vs Kodiak Bear

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Bigger, yes...MUCH bigger

Strength is not up for debate. The bear can easily flip huge boulders and treetrunks. Yes the gorilla is strong, compared to a human, it's nothing compared to a bear.

Faster?-Ever seen videos of bears taking down a bison or an elk, I don't like the gorilla's chances here

Teeth..a gorilla's teeth are just basically larger versions of human teeth, it does not have the exagerated canines, not the carnisalias of the bear, it also has far less jaw strength.

Claws, the bears can be up to 5 inches long, the gorilla doesn't have claws, it has fingernails, as do all primates.

Grizzly bear size:
Up to 1200lbs.

Gorilla size: 400-450 lbs.

Were you correct? Yes.

Grizzly bite force: "Their bite force can be up to 1200 ppsi"

Gorilla bite force: 1200-1400 ppsi.

Were you correct? No.

Gorilla's teeth are like humans and they do not have massive canines.
Gorilla's teeth:

Were you correct? No.

For good measure:
Grizzly's teeth.

Gorilla's don't have claws:

Were you correct? Yes.

Primates do not have claws"
Primates with claws:

Were you correct? No.

In fact, many many primates have claws from the Koala bear to many small monkeys in South America. I believe the word you wanted was "great apes".

That's it. No more fact checking.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not evidence of bipedal or quadrapedal. 😐

By your logic, Allasaurus was quadrapedal.

Allasaurus >>>>>>>> Gigantopithecus blackii.

😐

I stand by my absurd claim.

But, seriously, isn't the Allosaurus incredibly bottom heavy comapred to Gigantopithecus?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think it makes a difference to the fish whether you eat them or stick them on a wall.

I have a problem when people kill for the sheer fun of it, I wouldn't judge a person who lives near the amazonas that kills a big ****ing (rare) snake cause it entered his house and threatened his life.

Come on now, I know you're not stupid and you know what I mean I already posted that in the Comic OT.

Killing just for the fun of it or sport or because of "tradition" is just disgusting imo.

And as a rule of thumb, I personally go by how many offspring a species throws out. So going by that killing an elephant is way worse than killing a fly. Or in this example Bear > Fish.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I stand by my absurd claim.

But, seriously, isn't the Allosaurus incredibly bottom heavy comapred to Gigantopithecus?

We do not know.

The best evidence I have seen is the "wider back jaw" for an upright posture. Other than making vague claims that it walked on all fours because it was so large, there's no other "best" evidence marker other than an really good guess that it was upright due to the wider jaw at the back.

Claims to the contrary are baseless. Even the bipedal evidence of an upgright posture are almost baseless...but it is the strongest claim, I personally believe.

Until we get a hip bone, we really won't know....there are other bones we could get but the hip bone is the very best indicator.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Grizzly bear size:
Up to 1200lbs.

Gorilla size: 400-450 lbs.

Were you correct? Yes.

Grizzly bite force: "Their bite force can be up to 1200 ppsi"

Gorilla bite force: 1200-1400 ppsi.

Were you correct? No.

Gorilla's teeth are like humans and they do not have massive canines.
Gorilla's teeth:

Were you correct? No.

For good measure:
Grizzly's teeth.

Gorilla's don't have claws:

Were you correct? Yes.

Primates do not have claws"
Primates with claws:

Were you correct? No.

In fact, many many primates have claws from the Koala bear to many small monkeys in South America. I believe the word you wanted was "great apes".

That's it. No more fact checking.

Well, I wish I had time to run down my facts online but I don't, my info comes mostly from over 20 years of watching nature shows on Discovery, Natgeo, PBS, etc. I do watch a LOT of shows on this subject (not the fight, but animal stats)

The thread was Kodiak (or Alaskan Brown), not a Grizzly, there's a difference, and Kodiaks can reach 1500 lbs..or more.

Animal Face Off on Discovery measured a Kamchacktan Brown Bear, which is slightly smaller than a Kodiak, bite force at 1800 lbs PSI.

Ok, Gorillas do have large canines but those pictures are deceptive, the bears head is 3-4 times the size thus it's canines would be much larger.

As I've previously noted also, Gorillas do not fight with their teeth (though chimpanzees do), they use their fists.

On claws I concede that some primates may have claws though Gorillas do not ....and the Koala is a marsupial, not a primate.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Well, I wish I had time to run down my facts online but I don't, my info comes mostly from over 20 years of watching nature shows on Discovery, Natgeo, PBS, etc. I do watch a LOT of shows on this subject (not the fight, but animal stats)

The thread was Kodiak (or Alaskan Brown), not a Grizzly, there's a difference, and Kodiaks can reach 1500 lbs..or more.

That doesn't matter because you were already correct in saying it was larger and the Grizzly is larger...much less the Kodiak.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Animal Face Off on Discovery measured a Kamchacktan Brown Bear, which is slightly smaller than a Kodiak, bite force at 1800 lbs PSI.

Kodiak bear is the same as the grizzly in bite force. You're still wrong.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Ok, Gorillas do have large canines but those pictures are deceptive, the bears head is 3-4 times the size thus it's canines would be much larger.

Nah, it's 2 times as large.

And the head doesn't matter, it's the mouth.

And the teeth are between 1-2 inches longer, not even double in length.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
As I've previously noted also, Gorillas do not fight with their teeth (though chimpanzees do), they use their fists.

K. I never said they did: just confirming or denying your facts.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
On claws I concede that some primates may have claws though Gorillas do not ....and the Koala is a marsupial, not a primate.

I knew that already. I had s stupid moment.

Most of you think the bear wins simply because it's bigger and has claws. A Kodiak's claws are deadly to humans and very threatening but a Gorilla should be a tougher nut to crack than a human. The Silverbacks 440 lbs of solid muscle and bone. Look at it's shoulders, head and neck. You would almost have to imagine the gorilla not being able to do anything to the bear to hurt it. The gorilla has the strongest arms and hands in the animal kingdom. Shouldn't that make ripping the jaws of an attacking kodiak apart something that it could and would likely do?

Originally posted by The MISTER
Most of you think the bear wins simply because it's bigger and has claws. A Kodiak's claws are deadly to humans and very threatening but a Gorilla should be a tougher nut to crack than a human. The Silverbacks 440 lbs of solid muscle and bone. Look at it's shoulders, head and neck. You would almost have to imagine the gorilla not being able to do anything to the bear to hurt it. The gorilla has the strongest arms and hands in the animal kingdom. Shouldn't that make ripping the jaws of an attacking kodiak apart something that it could and would likely do?

The bear has about 3x the gorilla's mass; it's strength overall has to be proportional. Plus it does have long, rending claws. Unless a silverback pulls Kong-style takedowns (which, naturally, I really don't think gorillas are prone to do), Ursus arctos middendorffi, IMHO, wins.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Was it an adult male Blackbear?

It was actually. And that cat (I think it was a gray tabby) was like a bat out of hell. The bear was seriously scared shitless.

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Wolverines regularly fight off bears, so why couldn't a gorilla. Wolverines only are like the size of a medium or even a small dog...

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It was actually. And that cat (I think it was a gray tabby) was like a bat out of hell. The bear was seriously scared shitless.

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Wolverines regularly fight off bears, so why couldn't a gorilla. Wolverines only are like the size of a medium or even a small dog...

Ok, but had the bear actually stood and fought what would the outcome have been?

You are 100% correct about Wolverines, they are the meanest thing on 4 legs. They aren't afraid to attack bears, wolves, or mountain lions.

Obviously, the cat would only inflict superficial wounds. And a gorilla could do a lot more damage.

Gorilla has the mobility and agility advantage so i pick the gorilla, they're also wicked smart.

Is this match taking place near pollinating bees? Bears thrive off honey like Popeye off spinach.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Is this match taking place near pollinating bees? Bears thrive off honey like Popeye off spinach.

What if it is a gorilla that has been raised by a bear?

His story would make a great film, directed by Clint Eastwood.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It seems like it would be too slow...and unagressive.

That's what the steady diet of steroids and daily jabs with a red-hot poker are for.

Originally posted by Mindship
There used to be a show called "Animal Face-Off," where two animals would be pitted against each other, their chances "scientifically" evaluated by experts, experts in each animal, in biomechanical engineering, and in computer simulation. After 55 minutes of hearing and watching these experts do their thing, the last 5 minutes featured cgi animals, based on supposedly real data, facing-off. IIRC, the animal with the substantially superior mass (and therefore strength, as it takes muscle power to move all that mass), won.

The bear has about 3x the gorilla's mass; it's strength overall has to be proportional. Plus it does have long, rending claws. Unless a silverback pulls Kong-style takedowns (which, naturally, I really don't think gorillas are prone to do), Ursus arctos middendorffi, IMHO, wins.

Originally posted by The MISTER
That's what I'd like to figure out. When I was younger I read that a gorilla is 20x stronger than a man and can rip a man limb from limb. The strength of the gorilla seems disproportionate. I would like to know how strong the strongest gorilla's arms and grip would be. If the gorilla could easily rip the jaw off and/or crush the snout of an attacking bear then I'd like to factor that in rather than just say the bear wins cause it's bigger. A bear has a lot more fat than a gorilla which does not hibernate. A 400 pound human would probably be killed a 150 pound chimp that was trying to kill them despite being much larger.
Having 3x the gorillas mass doesn't immediately equal 3x as strong as the gorilla.

It's certainly possible for the gorilla to win. But for now, I'm still gonna bet on Yogi.

Originally posted by Mindship
Much of a bear's weight is muscle. But for argument's sake, even if 1/3 of a bear's weight was fat, it would still outweigh a gorilla by 2:1. And I've heard that a bear could crush a bull's skull with one swipe.

It's certainly possible for the gorilla to win. But for now, I'm still gonna bet on Yogi.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It was actually. And that cat (I think it was a gray tabby) was like a bat out of hell. The bear was seriously scared shitless.

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Wolverines regularly fight off bears, so why couldn't a gorilla. Wolverines only are like the size of a medium or even a small dog...

You can have a shot at scaring them off by yelling and waving your arms.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Black Bears are pussies compared to Grizzlies though.

You can have a shot at scaring them off by yelling and waving your arms.

This is true.

I saw this on an episode about bears in discovery. Apparently, Grizzlys aren't afraid of shit and one adult male was destroying the local population of black bears like it was nothing. They had to hunt down the grizzly and relocate it because of how destructive it was being.