Originally posted by skekUng
Even though most soldiers in this situation are young, they are better equiped to understand and even relate to other homosexuals their own age, than people a generation or two removed. When the bragging is former sexual conquests, male or female, the intent is the same. There is a far greater level of acceptance by people in their teens and early 20s than ever before. I think they'll be fine. Besides, most homosexuals in the military will still likely not become the flaming parade queens most people think of gays.
I think many of the rampant ant-gay people imagine [openly] gay soldiers prancing about with their shirts opened and tied-up like Daisey Duke, their pants cut into short-shorts and dancing/singing to Y.M.C.A.
Just not so. Rules and regulations still apply and I suspect an openly gay soldier to adhere to those rules and regulations even more-so, since they'll be watched more closely, at least until this blows over in several years and no one really cares anymore.
Originally posted by Robtard
I think many of the rampant ant-gay people imagine [openly] gay soldiers prancing about with their shirts opened and tied-up like Daisey Duke, their pants cut into short-shorts and dancing/singing to Y.M.C.A.Just not so. Rules and regulations still apply and I suspect an openly gay soldier to adhere to those rules and regulations even more-so, since they'll be watched more closely, at least until this blows over in several years and no one really cares anymore.
Well obviously, when they're on duty they'll have to adhere to the regs and wear the BDU's and other standard attire. But when off-duty, on leave, or R&R, a soldier can can dress however they please. So when on vacation, some openly gay soldiers could wear Daisy Dukes and sing along to the Village People, and it would not be in violation of anything.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well obviously, when they're on duty they'll have to adhere to the regs and wear the BDU's and other standard attire.But when off-duty, on leave, or R&R, a soldier can can dress however they please. So when on vacation, some openly gay soldiers could wear Daisy Dukes and sing along to the Village People, and it would not be in violation of anything.
Well yes, that was my point. They'll adhere just like a straight soldier.
And that's there own business.
Originally posted by skekUngWhy don't we just cut the bullshit out and deal with the reality of two men screwing as something that might turn the stomach of a straight man. We obviously aren't talking about women who are gay as that will not turn the stomach of many straight men. Feces comes out of the butt. Gay men having spontaneous sex run the risk of dealing with shit on their penis. Shit stinks. The mental image of shitty, man on man sex has the potential to turn a straight mans stomach unlike heterosexual sex that does not normally involve feces. You can blame the nose if you want to blame anything. Anything that involves dealing with shit is usually deemed unpleasant. Doo Doo is a foregone conclusion in spontaneus anal sex whether it's a man or a womans anus. In straight sex, shit and ass mucous aren't in the mental image at all. Also you're crazy if you think that people don't want to see straight people slathering all over each other. It's called porn and it's quite popular. People don't choose what they like and dislike but if someone likes something that many other people find disgusting then it's not those other peoples faults. If a man likes to eat shit then he will be asked to refrain from sharing the details of his meals even if it's totally legal to share that information with anyone he chooses. It's not homosexuality that most men find gross, it's a potential feces covered penis. How many straight guys do you think find women on women gross? Many straight people probably find straight anal sex gross. With man on man sex anal mucous and feces are part of the organs that they use to have intercourse. And don't try to suggest that feces is not naturally what the anus deals with. 😮💨
That is the same bullshit argument I've heard about displays of public affection. When someone says they "don't want to see heterosexual displays of public affection, either!", they're really just talking about how gross they find homosexuality. "I don't want to see a straight couple sucking face and molesting each other, either" is a silly argument. No one wants to watch two people slather all over each other, no matter their orientation. But, two guys holding hands are prone to get their asses kicked, while two heterosexuals are in no danger. But, the real shame is that you feel the need to turn this into a discussion of blatant sexuality. It isn't even your fault, per se. It's how the debate has been framed since before either of us were born, and it remains the refuge of the people who think of homosexuals as nothing other then their sexual orientation.
Originally posted by The MISTER
It's not homosexuality that most men find gross, it's a potential feces covered penis.
Hahahaahha, you've got some [closeted] issues, bro.
I don't watch gay porn simply because I don't find men sexually attractive, not because of some 'there will be shit' aspect if two guys start ****ing. Though scat-porn is repulsive to me.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm a FREAK (happily married) so I don't judge peoples personal preferences....But I do share your disgust with scat period. Gay porn probably doesn't have any scat in it cause straight porn doesn't unless it's labeled to have it. A straight spontaneous anal encounter might turn out stinkier than a person might expect from watching porn.
Hahahaahha, you've got some [closeted] issues, bro.I don't watch gay porn simply because I don't find men sexually attractive, not because of some 'there will be shit' aspect if two guys start ****ing. Though scat-porn is repulsive to me.
You probably forgot that gay porn includes women only scenes too. See how the mind works when discussing scat and gay people? Your brain excluded gay women without even trying. DADT probably caused about ten women any trouble at all while thousands of guys where unfairly treated. Bottom line is I'm glad that it's gone but people should be realistic about what it is that's disgusting to some folks and it doesn't apply to gay women.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm a FREAK (happily married) so I don't judge peoples personal preferences....But I do share your disgust with scat period. Gay porn probably doesn't have any scat in it cause straight porn doesn't unless it's labeled to have it. A straight spontaneous anal encounter might turn out stinkier than a person might expect from watching porn.You probably forgot that gay porn includes women only scenes too. See how the mind works when discussing scat and gay people? Your brain excluded gay women without even trying. DADT probably caused about ten women any trouble at all while thousands of guys where unfairly treated. Bottom line is I'm glad that it's gone but people should be realistic about what it is that's disgusting to some folks and it doesn't apply to gay women.
K. I still thing you're got some issues, bro.
No, I've not forgotten that "gay" does/can include homosexual women, but it's often referred to 'gay and lesbian' denoting the difference and since the topic at hand was "gay man sex" my use of "gay" obviously reflected only the male aspect.
There were no "mind tricks". I don't associate feces with male homosexually, no more than I associate urine with lesbians, cos you know, the urethera is part of the vagina.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Why don't we just cut the bullshit out and deal with the reality of two men screwing as something that might turn the stomach of a straight man. We obviously aren't talking about women who are gay as that will not turn the stomach of many straight men. Feces comes out of the butt. Gay men having spontaneous sex run the risk of dealing with shit on their penis. Shit stinks. The mental image of shitty, man on man sex has the potential to turn a straight mans stomach unlike heterosexual sex that does not normally involve feces. You can blame the nose if you want to blame anything. Anything that involves dealing with shit is usually deemed unpleasant. Doo Doo is a foregone conclusion in spontaneus anal sex whether it's a man or a womans anus. In straight sex, shit and ass mucous aren't in the mental image at all. Also you're crazy if you think that people don't want to see straight people slathering all over each other. It's called porn and it's quite popular. People don't choose what they like and dislike but if someone likes something that many other people find disgusting then it's not those other peoples faults. If a man likes to eat shit then he will be asked to refrain from sharing the details of his meals even if it's totally legal to share that information with anyone he chooses. It's not homosexuality that most men find gross, it's a potential feces covered penis. How many straight guys do you think find women on women gross? Many straight people probably find straight anal sex gross. With man on man sex anal mucous and feces are part of the organs that they use to have intercourse. And don't try to suggest that feces is not naturally what the anus deals with. 😮💨
And the penis and vagina are used to piss, so I'm not sure I understand the relevance of your point. Now, if you'd like to copy and past this post into a thread about why bible beaters or rednecks or forum trolls hate homosexuals, then I think you'll have a very valid point.
No one does want to see a straight couple, or a gay couple -male or female gay couple- slathering all over each other. If you want to compare PDsA with pornography, roll your computer into a McDonalds or a Wal-Mart and start publically playing pornography. Pornography is best enjoyed in private, where you can masturbate until mucous comes out of your anus, just like two adult human beings licking each other about the face while I'm trying to eat. All sex is gross, that's your all knowing god putting our reproductive organs in the same place as our waste disposal organs. Havent you ever watched any of this porn you're talking about?
If the first thing you see is a shit covered dick when you see two guys holding hands, then you are the one with issues, not them.
Originally posted by RobtardI do have issues. I'm far too blunt and honest for most people. My preference is pretty feet. I consider this a blessing but other people don't understand unless they feel the exact same. I can actually relate to being born with an unexplainable preference that other people don't understand. It's fairly easy for me to determine who at my job could care less to know exactly what I do with with my wife's feet. Don't get the wrong idea Robtard. I have an uncle whom I love dearly who prefers men. I don't care about that and I can say that he's never discussed his encounters with me and I've never asked him about any. I'm not accusing you of mind tricks, just reffering to how easy it is to forget women when talking about what's undesirable about gay sex. Squirting is an old fetish considering the urethra. Squirting diarrhea might be one too but I'm sure it's less popular.
K. I still thing you're got some issues, bro.No, I've not forgotten that "gay" does/can include homosexual women, but it's often referred to 'gay and lesbian' denoting the difference and since the topic at hand was "gay man sex" my use of "gay" obviously reflected only the male aspect.
There were no "mind tricks". I don't associate feces with male homosexually, no more than I associate urine with lesbians, cos you know, the urethera is part of the vagina.
Originally posted by skekUngPublic displays of affection are fine with me and so are two guys holding hands. Humans are finicky creatures and so any display is judged by the crowd present. People are usually jealous of public displays of affection and that's why they complain so much. GET A ROOM!! is what many people say but it's because they're uncomfortable. My point is and remains this: People make mental images against their will and discourage anything that sparks unpleasant ones whether it seems fair or not.
And the penis and vagina are used to piss, so I'm not sure I understand the relevance of your point. Now, if you'd like to copy and past this post into a thread about why bible beaters or rednecks or forum trolls hate homosexuals, then I think you'll have a very valid point.No one does want to see a straight couple, or a gay couple -male or female gay couple- slathering all over each other. If you want to compare PDsA with pornography, roll your computer into a McDonalds or a Wal-Mart and start publically playing pornography. Pornography is best enjoyed in private, where you can masturbate until mucous comes out of your anus, just like two adult human beings licking each other about the face while I'm trying to eat. All sex is gross, that's your all knowing god putting our reproductive organs in the same place as our waste disposal organs. Havent you ever watched any of this porn you're talking about?
If the first thing you see is a shit covered dick when you see two guys holding hands, then you are the one with issues, not them.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I can actually relate to being born with an unexplainable preference that other people don't understand.
Then do your uncle a favor and stop equating his homosexuality with your foot fetish.
You're only trying to paint homosexuality as a choice when you make such a comparison. It's silly to say you were born with a foot fetish, which is eaxctly what you want someone to point out, so that you can then say that homosexuality is something you learn and choose.
Your tactic of professing happiness over this repeal while also talking about shit covered dicks, foot fetishes and basically illustrating your total -and likely willful- inability to understand homosexuality, are at odds with each other. You know this and are simply trying to get people to paint themselves into a conversational corner.
Originally posted by skekUng
Then do your uncle a favor and stop equating his homosexuality with your foot fetish.You're only trying to paint homosexuality as a choice when you make such a comparison. It's silly to say you were born with a foot fetish, which is eaxctly what you want someone to point out, so that you can then say that homosexuality is something you learn and choose.
Your tactic of professing happiness over this repeal while also talking about shit covered dicks, foot fetishes and basically illustrating your total -and likely willful- inability to understand homosexuality, are at odds with each other. You know this and are simply trying to get people to paint themselves into a conversational corner.
I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Where did you get that at all? Why do you make up junk and then attack the junk that you made up?
I've noticed that you do it all the time.
Show me where I suggested that sexual preference was a choice, ever. If you can't then the fact that you make false accusations is confirmed Skekung.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Public displays of affection are fine with me and so are two guys holding hands. Humans are finicky creatures and so any display is judged by the crowd present. People are usually jealous of public displays of affection and that's why they complain so much. GET A ROOM!! is what many people say but it's because they're uncomfortable. My point is and remains this: People make mental images against their will and discourage anything that sparks unpleasant ones whether it seems fair or not.
So, your point is that your wife thinks about you pissing on her face when the two of you are engaging in oral sex?
I can understand that some people are jealous of two others in a happy relationship. Jealous and uncomfortable are two different things, though. I'm rarely jealous of those couples, only embarassed for them.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Where did you get that at all? Why do you make up junk and then attack the junk that you made up?
I've noticed that you do it all the time.Show me where I suggested that sexual preference was a choice, ever. If you can't then the fact that you make false accusations is confirmed Skekung.
I didn't say you said it. I said I'm certain that is where you're going with it. If you want to equate being a homosexual with having a foot fetish, there's really only one way you can go with that train of thought. That's like saying Ted Haggard was born with a speed problem and is straight, but just likes sleeping with male prostitutes in seedy motels. Homosexuality isn't just a fetish people have so they can get off and go back to their normal lives. Being gay is exactly the same as being straight, only the person with whom you're having the sex is the same gender. You're a straight guy with a foot fetish. Joe Schmoe is a gay guy with a thing for tight asses. See?
And that brings it full circle: the repeal of this law will free those homosexuals who have been forced to live a lie to go on in their jobs with a bit more dignity and protection.
Originally posted by The MISTERAre you going to ignore this too? Like you ignore so many things. I can see your tactics as well skekung. The problem is you suck at predicting peoples motives. You're constantly telling people what they're trying to do even when you're dead wrong. Show me where I suggested any preference was a choice to support your earlier accusation.
I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Where did you get that at all? Why do you make up junk and then attack the junk that you made up?
I've noticed that you do it all the time.Show me where I suggested that sexual preference was a choice, ever. If you can't then the fact that you make false accusations is confirmed Skekung.
At least you didn't ignore it.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I do have issues. I'm far too blunt and honest for most people. My preference is pretty feet. I consider this a blessing but other people don't understand unless they feel the exact same. I can actually relate to being born with an unexplainable preference that other people don't understand. It's fairly easy for me to determine who at my job could care less to know exactly what I do with with my wife's feet. Don't get the wrong idea Robtard. I have an uncle whom I love dearly who prefers men. I don't care about that and I can say that he's never discussed his encounters with me and I've never asked him about any. I'm not accusing you of mind tricks, just reffering to how easy it is to forget women when talking about what's undesirable about gay sex. Squirting is an old fetish considering the urethra. Squirting diarrhea might be one too but I'm sure it's less popular.
WTF? I told you exactly why and how I used the word "gay", I was referring to male-homosexuality(and this was the main point of discusion) as this is common verbiage these days. Gay is typically now used to denote male-homosexuality, ie "gay, lesbian and transgendered."
Every aspect of gay(see above) sex is undesirable(not gross) to me, as I don't find men attractive; it's got nothing to do with "shit covered dicks." I don't think about that when I discuss male homosexuality, "shit-dick" isn't something that instantly comes to mind. Just as I said above, "urine" wouldn't be the first thought in my head in a topic concerning lesbian sex. Your mind may work that way, doesn't mean others do.
WTF #2"Squirting" isn't urine, it's female ejaculate, though some amounts of urine coming out is common during vaginal intercourse/play, especially during female orgasm. Just the way the body is made.
Originally posted by skekUng
I didn't say you said it. I said I'm certain that is where you're going with it. If you want to equate being a homosexual with having a foot fetish, there's really only one way you can go with that train of thought. That's like saying Ted Haggard was born with a speed problem and is straight, but just likes sleeping with male prostitutes in seedy motels. Homosexuality isn't just a fetish people have so they can get off and go back to their normal lives. Being gay is exactly the same as being straight, only the person with whom you're having the sex is the same gender. You're a straight guy with a foot fetish. Joe Schmoe is a gay guy with a thing for tight asses. See?And that brings it full circle: the repeal of this law will free those homosexuals who have been forced to live a lie to go on in their jobs with a bit more dignity and protection.
'And that brings it full circle: the repeal of this law will free those homosexuals who have been forced to live a lie to go on in their jobs with a bit more dignity and protection.'
I agree 100%
As for being certain where people are going with things I suggest that you wait and see whether you are right or not. I really don't see why all preferences can't be classified as the same. I'm sure that straight and gay are just labels that like all labels leave much to be desired. Is a man gay if he wants a masculine woman to use a huge dildo on him? Is the woman gay because she wants him to wear a dress while she does this? These gay and straight labels are vague and only help to describe some of an individuals preferences.