Originally posted by RobtardYou're right. No.
Considering it's typically straight-males (imo closeted homos) who have a problem with homosexuality and to be on topic it will be mostly straight-male soldiers who will have an issue with openly gay soldiers, it really isn't a "scapegoat", just something that is.Do you really see a gaggle of gay soldiers bashing a straight soldier because of his sexuality?
Originally posted by dadudemonI agree. I personally could care less who is offended by another persons existence.
We've already established that the military got along almost completely fine without DADT (there were a few isolated cases of abuse on gay men...and maybe women (I do not know about lesbian hate CRIME in the military, I always hear/read about gay male hate crime)), so this discussion of "but straight people will be offended" is complete bullshit.The only thing that needs to happen if straight men commit any CRIMES against gay men is a criminal prosecution from the military courts needs to take place. After a few cases get pushed through, we should see the hate stop. It needs to be let known that "gay hate" will not be tolerated. I want to hear Obama make that a military priority to his Joint Chiefs.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I'll never shut up. And I feel sorry for any group that gets loads of negative stereotypes. I think it's ignorance.
And I'll just continue to roll my eyes and tell anyone who thinks that straight white males in the US (or the entire Western world) are in any way oppressed and discriminated against simply because they're being told that they're not the center of the universe that they need to shut up.
Hate crimes against homosexuals are nearly always committed by straight men. Yes, there is bigotry present amongst the GLBT communities (in some areas there's discrimination against bisexuality, and the gay rights movement doesn't seem to really give a damn about trans issues and can be extremely transphobic), but when it comes down to it, it's straight people perpetuating homophobia and bigotry against anyone who isn't cissexual and heterosexual.
So if you think that being called a homophobic bigot is a big deal, sit down and shut up. You have it easy, and straight men aren't commonly mocked, ridiculed, or have to fear for their lives because of their sexuality.
Originally posted by PeachI'm not white. But I don't hate white people. Some of the most horrible anti-gay people are women. I know that straight men have been guilty of more anti-gay hate crimes but many are willing to live and let live. Ignorant hateful people get far more attention than the ones who enjoy peace and other people. But a group will be identified by the negative people in it. Though I'm black I don't hate whites because some would hang me for the color of my skin. There are still places in Florida where I'm told not to go if I value my life. I guess I have it easy cause I can just refrain from going where I'm not welcome. Hiding my differences from the majority isn't an option but that doesn't make me hate the group that hates my skin. I think being called anything that you're not is a big deal, it's called prejudice. People who have anything in common as the majority give the minority a hard time and it isn't right but that shouldn't make that minority group mirror the stupidity of the cruelest portion of the majority. 😮💨
And I'll just continue to roll my eyes and tell anyone who thinks that straight white males in the US (or the entire Western world) are in any way oppressed and discriminated against simply because they're being told that they're not the center of the universe that they need to shut up.Hate crimes against homosexuals are nearly always committed by straight men. Yes, there is bigotry present amongst the GLBT communities (in some areas there's discrimination against bisexuality, and the gay rights movement doesn't seem to really give a damn about trans issues and can be extremely transphobic), but when it comes down to it, it's straight people perpetuating homophobia and bigotry against anyone who isn't cissexual and heterosexual.
So if you think that being called a homophobic bigot is a big deal, sit down and shut up. You have it easy, and straight men aren't commonly mocked, ridiculed, or have to fear for their lives because of their sexuality.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm not white. But I don't hate white people. Some of the most horrible anti-gay people are women. I know that straight men have been guilty of more anti-gay hate crimes but many are willing to live and let live. Ignorant hateful people get far more attention than the ones who enjoy peace and other people. But a group will be identified by the negative people in it. Though I'm black I don't hate whites because some would hang me for the color of my skin. There are still places in Florida where I'm told not to go if I value my life. I guess I have it easy cause I can just refrain from going where I'm not welcome. Hiding my differences from the majority isn't an option but that doesn't make me hate the group that hates my skin. I think being called anything that you're not is a big deal, it's called prejudice. People who have anything in common as the majority give the minority a hard time and it isn't right but that shouldn't make that minority group mirror the stupidity of the cruelest portion of the majority. 😮💨
Odd.
I've never encountered this "extremely bigoted white woman" in the real world. I've seen the Westboro baptist church, though. Anyway, they exist, but they are in fewer numbers than their male counterparts, for sure.
Originally posted by Peach
And I'll just continue to roll my eyes and tell anyone who thinks that straight white males in the US (or the entire Western world) are in any way oppressed and discriminated against simply because they're being told that they're not the center of the universe that they need to shut up.
*Christian, too.
Originally posted by The MISTER
You don't even know where you're going as you constantly contradict the hell out of yourself. I've already seen it myself. Word games are where you do have skill. You're lawyer level.
Feel free to point out these contradictions.
I see where you're trying to take certain conversations, and I will point it out whenever I encounter it. I won't get the luxury of being proven right by where you take these conversations, because pointing them out forces you to take them elsewhere. I simply get the gratification of cutting your troll tactics off at the knees. Not to turn you on or anything.
Originally posted by skekUngThis post right here is preventing you from wetting yourself. You can thank me later. Predicting something that's not going to happen and then gloating about keeping it from happening by predicting it sounds pretty vain. You actually are just a know it all and they don't ever admit being wrong. I already pointed out one of your contradictions in the "are soldiers heroes thread. You're so eager to argue that you forget what stance you've made. 😮💨
Feel free to point out these contradictions.I see where you're trying to take certain conversations, and I will point it out whenever I encounter it. I won't get the luxury of being proven right by where you take these conversations, because pointing them out forces you to take them elsewhere. I simply get the gratification of cutting your troll tactics off at the knees. Not to turn you on or anything.
Originally posted by The MISTER
This post right here is preventing you from wetting yourself. You can thank me later. Predicting something that's not going to happen and then gloating about keeping it from happening by predicting it sounds pretty vain. You actually are just a know it all and they don't ever admit being wrong. I already pointed out one of your contradictions in the "are soldiers heroes thread. You're so eager to argue that you forget what stance you've made. 😮💨
That doesn't look like the easily quotable posts I've made that you are so easily referencing.
I have already pointed out how neither of us are going to actually best each other. With you, my only objective is to point out how you are trying to screw with people. I also pointed out that by doing so, your only option is to change your approach to a given conversation. Your approach to these conversations is to babble and bait, then make accusations that you never substantiate with any evidence that you so easily offer as proof of your own accusations. You're only mad at me because I point out what you're trying to do before you're able to do it. You say I contradict myself, but have never been able or willing to show me where these contradictions have taken place. You talk out of both sides of your face in a lot of conversations. The easiest way of deflecting from that blatant fact is to accuse everyone but yourself of doing it. Every position you take is a contradiction to many others you've also decided to profess, very publically. That is either schizophrenia, trolling or baiting. The reality of your situation is up to you.
Originally posted by skekUngI have not changed my stance on anything based on your lame accusations. However my stance on things is subject to change as I learn more about subjects and can better imagine situations from another person's perspective. I will empathize with every person I can, man, woman, or child, to the best of my abilities. The stance I took at the beginning of this discussion about DADT was that I thought it was protection against sexual harassment for straight soldiers that do deserve consideration ( the notion that straight men don't matter is repugnant) All sexual harassment stems from touching, asking, and telling. After learning that DADT was not what I thought ( a simple clause added to include a more unique form of sexual harassment) but instead a law that is used to disenfranchise individuals simply for belonging to a certain group, I did adjust my assessment of DADT. More people should be willing to publicly profess their ability to say that they were wrong. I am not a lawyer defending a client that I thought was innocent and have now found is guilty. I can openly say what I believe was wrong with my former arguments. At least people can know that when discussing things with me I will not refuse to agree with them no matter what.
That doesn't look like the easily quotable posts I've made that you are so easily referencing.I have already pointed out how neither of us are going to actually best each other. With you, my only objective is to point out how you are trying to screw with people. I also pointed out that by doing so, your only option is to change your approach to a given conversation. Your approach to these conversations is to babble and bait, then make accusations that you never substantiate with any evidence that you so easily offer as proof of your own accusations. You're only mad at me because I point out what you're trying to do before you're able to do it. You say I contradict myself, but have never been able or willing to show me where these contradictions have taken place. You talk out of both sides of your face in a lot of conversations. The easiest way of deflecting from that blatant fact is to accuse everyone but yourself of doing it. Every position you take is a contradiction to many others you've also decided to profess, very publically. That is either schizophrenia, trolling or baiting. The reality of your situation is up to you.
If I'm mad at you about anything it's about how you make accusations from a high horse rather than to climb down and engage in discussion as a person who is confident in their ideas. You are basically depriving me of high quality discussion with you by positioning yourself on high and making unfounded accusations, skipping posts, and presenting your suspicions as irrefutably true. I don't have to opt to change my views because of anything someone pointed out, there are examples all over the forum of people who won't sway even when presented with concrete evidence that they are wrong. It's not me screwing with anyone on purpose but it's obviously screwing with you. You have been and still are wrong about me. But if my guess is right you will never adjust your assessment. However I do leave room for unlikely events, unlike some other people. 😮💨