Surfer and Thanos vs Wally West and Zoom, no PIS, CIS, BFR, or BS Megamatch!!!

Started by Tha C-Master43 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have to argue based on what we've seen him do. If he's never shown the strength to even ko WW there's no basis for assuming he can ko Surfer let alone Thanos since they seem to be far more durable and powerful than WW ever was.

Zoom's also gotten tagged before and beaten before by far less than either of these with less impressive reaction feats as well.

If Superman hit her as many times as Zoom she'd be dead imo. I guess you think by this logic and this writer's take then that WW can survive thousands of Superman shots.

Not really though, because Zoom doesn't fight heroes to kill them, he even says "I can make you stronger..." To Diana.

Furthermore Zoom has destroyed buildings with a mere snap of his finger. He has the power to do far more than that with a punch, not to mention he was playing with Wondy in that fight.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not really though, because Zoom doesn't fight heroes to kill them, he even says "I can make you stronger..." To Diana.

Furthermore Zoom has destroyed buildings with a mere snap of his finger. He has the power to do far more than that with a punch, not to mention he was playing with Wondy in that fight.

Well until you can prove what these punches are capable of with regards to Thanos or Surfer it's just speculation.

Surfer was destroyed entire planets before and Thanos barely notices when he attacks him--preupgrade.

I honestly think either from team 1 solos.

Millions of Superman-level punches delivered in the first nanoseconds of the battle + IMPs + speed-stealing + Zoom-blasts + Speed force dumps + multiverse dropping, etc.

Just cannot imagine the speedsters losing.

Originally posted by Galan007
Millions of Superman-level punches delivered in the first nanoseconds of the battle + IMPs + speed-stealing + Zoom-blasts + Speed force dumps + multiverse dropping, etc.

Just cannot imagine the speedsters losing.

Most of it is valid, no bfr however. Would you consider a speed force dump a bfr? Depends on what is done.

I'm curious on how you see the multiverse drop going.

Originally posted by Galan007
Millions of Superman-level punches delivered in the first nanoseconds of the battle + IMPs + speed-stealing + Zoom-blasts + Speed force dumps + multiverse dropping, etc.

Just cannot imagine the speedsters losing.

When has he ever hit anyone one million times or more within the first nanosecond ?

These characters were never ever portrayed to be this deadly it's just silly to make this claim despite them never ever being in half this deadly all in the first nanosecond.

Thanos also reacted to the Surfer's best with movement with a headstart while fighting america so all he has to do is raise his shields and that's that. Forceblock--mind lobotomize.

Originally posted by Galan007
Millions of Superman-level punches delivered in the first nanoseconds of the battle + IMPs + speed-stealing + Zoom-blasts + Speed force dumps + multiverse dropping, etc.

Just cannot imagine the speedsters losing.

My friend,

Please show me either of these guys speed blitzing and hiting someone with 1 million punches in a nanosecond or 2 nanoseconds.

It never happened but galan is making good points though about this fight... kind of making me lean towards the speedsters. I can't remember any flashes throwing a million punches... the max that I remember is a thousand and that was in a second, not nano second. A thousand punches more powerful than superman punches should drop them and quan, superman didn't one shot diana, you have to look at everything that happened to her on the way to the sun... all of his attacks were directed towards her skull before the temporary ko.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My friend,

Please show me either of these guys speed blitzing and hiting someone with 1 million punches in a nanosecond or 2 nanoseconds.

Yeah, the nanoseconds thing is only my opinion. All I know for sure is that Zoom has delivered millions of punches in the time it took him to finish one of HIS sentences. So they were definitely delivered very rapidly.

Hell if Flash can rescue 532,000 people in .00001 microseconds, he can most certainly hit that fast (and faster) and that's nowhere *near* his best feats. Zoom is far faster.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9098/z14dz0.jpg

That's him hitting Diana. I can understand that Supes has some incredible plot device feats, but those hits are definitely on his level, not to mention Zum being IMP'ed (which Flash could have done 1,000 times). Those are Superman level hits, and probably harder seeing as they are going *all* out. (CIS and PIS off).

Zoom can level an area with a snap of his fingers. He has never had a max speed.

http://img68.imageshack.us/f/z18om0.jpg/
http://img68.imageshack.us/f/z19sq7.jpg/

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Hell if Flash can rescue 532,000 people in .00001 microseconds, he can most certainly hit that fast (and faster) and that's nowhere *near* his best feats. Zoom is far faster.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9098/z14dz0.jpg

That's him hitting Diana. I can understand that Supes has some incredible plot device feats, but those hits are definitely on his level, not to mention Zum being IMP'ed (which Flash could have done 1,000 times). Those are Superman level hits, and probably harder seeing as they are going *all* out. (CIS and PIS off).

Zoom can level an area with a snap of his fingers. He has never had a max speed.

http://img68.imageshack.us/f/z18om0.jpg/
http://img68.imageshack.us/f/z19sq7.jpg/

Yeah... Zoom is a beast.

No.

This is a The Beast.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No.

This is a The Beast.

Lol

Damn... hank is hideous.

Too ugly for you eh?

a few things... first... I do of course believe those punches would eventually and maybe even some what quickly hurt Thanos. My assertion is this... If you're going to have someone harder than superman... Tome superman's best punch might not move Thanos.. punching in quick succession certainly would move him backwards.. now of course Zoom could very quickly be on top of his again throwing move punches. Okay.

However, in that time to do so.. Thanos will imo have an opportunity to either raise his shiedls... and or omni directional blast. Why I believe this is for three reaons. First, his shields only require voice activation, touching and or by thought. Pretty quickly they can be raised when you conisder my next point...

his reaction time. Sure, thanos is no speedster one thing he has shown are good reactions time. I'm thinking of the Maker incident with him point blank deflecting her blast (some might say ftl speed or cheetah speed) What we do know is that it would be quick and for him to react to it and deflect it means that's pretty good reaction speed. The others are reacting to FO bull rush. Raising his arm quick enough after thor throws his hammer to stop it cold halfway to him. Lastly reacting to a spped blitz from gayM who had just blitzed surfer with ease.

These reactions will enable him to either raise his shields after a decent amount of shots being taken or to deliver an omni directional blast or lastly to teleport away to regain his composure.

Which brings me to my next point sure flash or Zoom will get punches off against Thanos and quite a bit. The question then becomes IS that enough to KO him and not allow him less than a second (referencing his reaction feats) to either raise his shields, teleport and or fire back. My answer is no. The reason being...Thanos durability.

Which I shouldn't really even need to reference right? We're talking imo what would be almost exponentionally amount more than what these guys can deliever. All of which lead me to believe that since I can't recal him ever being KO'd from blunt force trauma and if he has.. it's been so very rare. Upon not getting KO'd and a genius (far smarter than anybody in this fight) he will figure out exactly what needs to be accomplished and the best course of action to do so. Might you.. very quickly.

Now this is to say nothing of surfer who himself is really really quick.. quicker than thanos which very very good durability. Who like Thanos is exponentionally for versatile than either of these wo. They have so many exotic abilities at there disposal it's sick. They can matter manipulate the area.. Thanos could easily try TP assaults opon either and very likely succeed. This again woudl be not after 10 seconds. He does these things in seconds with thoughts as an mutant Eternal. Which lastly brings me to my next point..

Sure these guys are really fast.. crazy fst and pack a punch... Team 1 can take punishment.. but team two... not even close to the same. If there is the slighest of openings which I believe there will be for both.. and they make contact with a blast, punch, omni or whatever... game over. We've seen Zoom tagged and even restrained. Will be easy no.. will team two pummer team 1 for a bit, sure. Will team one eventually react and get off their shots, yes. At that point imo team 1 wins.

This fight is over before the "O" in the word Go sounds.

To move that fast requires thought processes that are even faster. Neither on Team 1 can perform at this speed level.

In the constructs of this thread, with no BS, Team 2 wins.

Surfer solos.

he's just as fast if not faster, and infinitely superior in power and durability.

Surfer IMPs their heads off.

can't speed steal from Surfer, it's the Power Cosmic not regular energy.

team 2 wins as instant as the fight starts

@kurupt...

I don't think shields would work... flash could easily vibrate through it. Tp doesn't work on them either... this was proven when the martian tried to tp blast flash and flash accelerated his brain cells. Omni blast wouldn't wrk either,... they could dance around that attack. These are beings that lives within a second... those blast would be moving in slow motion to them.

You also forgot about flash being able to steal thanos speed. He can start the fight off like that which would make thanos a statue and then proceed at destroying a standing still, no moving thanos all day if he wants. Thanos would eventually get koed after taking millions of high level superman punches.

Surfer exotic powers is the key factor here and he is the reason I am undecided and please don't say thay thanos can do everything the surfer can do because on panel he hasn't shown half of the versatility as the surfer (even though thanos is more powerful).

Originally posted by carver9
It never happened but galan is making good points though about this fight... kind of making me lean towards the speedsters. I can't remember any flashes throwing a million punches... the max that I remember is a thousand and that was in a second, not nano second. A thousand punches more powerful than superman punches should drop them and quan, superman didn't one shot diana, you have to look at everything that happened to her on the way to the sun... all of his attacks were directed towards her skull before the temporary ko.
Those punches weren't more powerful than Superman's best though. One writer seems to think so but other writers have superman doing far more impressive things than getting lip serviced by WW.

I think Thanos's telepathy would be the key to victory (particularly since it's not dependent on motion). If he gets in the speedsters heads and creates an opening it's curtains.