Surfer and Thanos vs Wally West and Zoom, no PIS, CIS, BFR, or BS Megamatch!!!

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not sure about that travel feat. It won't beat Zoom's and probably not Flash's going all out. Especially when Flash has done crazy things like going so fast that a duplicate of himself emerged and outraced... himself.

Surfer's travelled so fast before, entire galaxies passed thru in a blur. Half a million light years in a second(s) (possibly less).

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Show me something of that magnitute that Zoom OR Flash has done on-panel and provide scans and maybe I'll believe you.

Percieving something isn't the same thing as reacting to it. Your body might process the information or send it to you, but the time it takes to send the signals (kinetic by the way) are another thing entirely. Basically, because I see something doesn't mean I can react to it.

Thought signals are electric in human bodies NOT kinetic. Doesn't work that way for the Surfer as his body is not human or anything resembling human anymore.

Your logic is wrong. It takes a THOUGHT to trigger the PC. If the Surfer can sense it and process it (w/c he's shown he can), he can react to it via omni-blast. Don't really know why you're not getting this. The logic is pretty simple.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
When you show me Thanos putting up shields, teleporting away and blowing up everything.

Being serious here now, I understand that we have to be consistent but it's pretty obvious that if a character can do something they can. Flash can IMP a white martian one or 1,000 times instantly, after a certain speed actions begin to happen simultaneously. He OHKO'ed a Superman level character and sent him into space.

Now hasn't drax and Gamora given Thanos some pain?

Drax was designed to kill Thanos.

He was playing with Gamora and this was not thru his shields.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not sure about that travel feat. It won't beat Zoom's and probably not Flash's going all out. Especially when Flash has done crazy things like going so fast that a duplicate of himself emerged and outraced... himself.

Percieving something isn't the same thing as reacting to it. Your body might process the information or send it to you, but the time it takes to send the signals (kinetic by the way) are another thing entirely. Basically, because I see something doesn't mean I can react to it.

When you show me Thanos putting up shields, teleporting away and blowing up everything.

Being serious here now, I understand that we have to be consistent but it's pretty obvious that if a character can do something they can. Flash can IMP a white martian one or 1,000 times instantly, after a certain speed actions begin to happen simultaneously. He OHKO'ed a Superman level character and sent him into space.

Now hasn't Drax and Gamora given Thanos some pain?

Okay, please show me the FASTEST the flash has ever IMPd something. I'm looking for the most IMPs in the shortest period of time. It's certainly not close to the billions or millions even. Probably less than 1000. However, if you have any evidence of him doing a million in less than a second please post them.

As you say... we know Thanos can Teleport with a thought. We know he can activate his shields in less than a second. We know he can fire blasts from behind his shields (See Omega incident). So we know he can do all these things.... right?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay, please show me the FASTEST the flash has ever IMPd something. I'm looking for the most IMPs in the shortest period of time. It's certainly not close to the billions or millions even. Probably less than 1000. However, if you have any evidence of him doing a million in less than a second please post them.

As you say... we know Thanos can Teleport with a thought. We know he can activate his shields in less than a second. We know he can fire blasts from behind his shields (See Omega incident). So we know he can do all these things.... right?

Its made up... they will never find flash throwing over a thousand punches in a second just like they won't find a single scan saying that flash is fighting a thousand times the speed of light let alone "twice" the speed of light... it doesn't exist. He has went over these speeds... hell, flash has moved faster than instatntaneous movement BUT he had an amp to accompish these things... a major amp.

Originally posted by carver9
Its made up... they will never find flash throwing over a thousand punches in a second just like they won't find a single scan saying that flash is fighting a thousand times the speed of light let alone "twice" the speed of light... it doesn't exist. He has went over these speeds... hell, flash has moved faster than instatntaneous movement BUT he had an amp to accompish these things... a major amp.

"Instantaneous" movement is relative to perception. What is instant to some might be long moments to others (in comics).

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
"Instantaneous" movement is relative to perception. What is instant to some might be long moments to others (in comics).

But it was stated on panel that he beat someone in a race that had instantaneous teleportation abilities but again, he was AMPED for this feat. He stole the speed of every being on the face of the planet. Hard core fans gives flash speed that he isn't even capable of outside of an amp. Hell, jay was wally equal in speed back in the day and he STRAINED and had to speed steal in order for him to even achieve light speed.

Zoom is another story entirely... I don't think he has a limit to his speed...especially since it took 3 flashes to TRY to subdue him (and he was stiil faster).

Originally posted by illadelph12
I think Thanos's telepathy would be the key to victory (particularly since it's not dependent on motion). If he gets in the speedsters heads and creates an opening it's curtains.

He is down and blasted with so many hits before he CONCLUDES the actual thought of using TP. ....resistant to TP anyway.

Originally posted by BobbyD
He is down and blasted with so many hits before he CONCLUDES the actual thought of using TP. ....resistant to TP anyway.

Yep... it was pretty much shown on panel that they are resistant to tp. That is why I am saying that surfer is the key factor.

@d dude...

When has thanos or surfer ever done a omni blast powerful enough to cover an entire area?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep... it was pretty much shown on panel that they are resistant to tp. That is why I am saying that surfer is the key factor.

@d dude...

When has thanos or surfer ever done a omni blast powerful enough to cover an entire area?

Annihilation. Surfer blew up the entire planet and his blast encompassed the whole place.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Annihilation. Surfer blew up the entire planet and his blast encompassed the whole place.

Are you talking about when he was fight abraxxas?

The only thing I really saw was a power up and then a planetoid exploding. I didn't see anything omni about that.

Thanos' shield is useless against Wally or Zoom since they can just vibrate through his shield.

Surfer is a bit difficult to defeat since he can fly.

If Zoom and Wally can KO Surfer before he's air borne then Zoom/Wally wins.

If not, Surfer can just blow up the entire planet as soon as he's in outerspace and it's sayonara speedsters.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about when he was fight abraxxas?

The only thing I really saw was a power up and then a planetoid exploding. I didn't see anything omni about that.

Not Abraxxas.

When he fought Ravenous he did 2 omniblasts. One to conver his escape (destroying a large chunk of leftover Xandar) and the second destroyed a planet to demonstrate his power to Ravenous after his Galactus upgrade.

Here's the scan:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1787/annihilationsilversurfemi9.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

The planet he blew up was a badoon fringe world. Thruitda.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not Abraxxas.

When he fought Ravenous he did 2 omniblasts. One to conver his escape (destroying a large chunk of leftover Xandar) and the second destroyed a planet to demonstrate his power to Ravenous after his Galactus upgrade.

My bad... I meant ravenous. When ravenous was on his knees telling surfer that he was a monster (because of all the power he had) and surfer was trying to reason with him and demonstrated by powering up and destroying the planet proving that he was above ravenous.

That wasn't a omni blast. Show me the omni blast during that feat. Again, I just seen a power up and then BOOM the planet is destroyed.

It's an omni-blast as he didn't attack the planet directly. The glow you see on the second scan is a huge energy blast that emanates around the Surfer w/c in turn destroys the planet (w/c is the very definition of an omni-blast).

I mean, if that's NOT an omni-blast, what is? What does it take for something to be an omni-blast via your definition anyway? Some sort of sound effect that goes "OMNIIIBLASSTZZZ!!"??

Edit. The first feat (the blast he used to cover his tracks) was actually a more clear demonstration of how an omniblast from the Surfer would look (and him travelling fast enough to outrace it). But the scans dont freakin work.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not Abraxxas.

When he fought Ravenous he did 2 omniblasts. One to conver his escape (destroying a large chunk of leftover Xandar) and the second destroyed a planet to demonstrate his power to Ravenous after his Galactus upgrade.

Here's the scan:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1787/annihilationsilversurfemi9.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

The planet he blew up was a badoon fringe world. Thruitda.

Me and your defintion of a omni blast is different. That blast went completely through the planetoid. I'm asking you for an omni blast that would cover the entire area since this battle field is indestructible.

Originally posted by carver9
Me and your defintion of a omni blast is different. That blast went completely through the planetoid. I'm asking you for an omni blast that would cover the entire are since this battle field is indestructible.

Um. Yeah, a blast big enough to encompass a planet would NORMALLY go thru it first.... :-/

You're basically asking for a scan of a feat wherein a blast big enough to encompass a planet AND has to NOT go thru a planet due to the planet being indestructible just to qualify for this thread???

A bit reaching aren't we? :-/

Originally posted by carver9
Yep... it was pretty much shown on panel that they are resistant to tp. That is why I am saying that surfer is the key factor.

@d dude...

When has thanos or surfer ever done a omni blast powerful enough to cover an entire area?

Again Martian isn't Thanos when it comes to TP. Secondly when has Zoom shown to be resistant to TP

@ Carver. I'll bite. What IS your definition of an omni-blast?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again Martian isn't Thanos when it comes to TP. Secondly when has Zoom shown to be resistant to TP

What is thanos best tp feats?

I can't prove zoom tp resistance but since he can accelerate his body far faster than wally (which is the reason behind him being resistant), I can see him having the same resistance.

Originally posted by carver9
What is thanos best tp feats?

I can't prove zoom tp resistance but since he can accelerate his body far faster than wally (which is the reason behind him being resistant), I can see him having the same resistance.

His powers work differently so you can't really correlate Flash's abilities with his.