Cross Genre Match #21: Frieza vs Thanos

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you have no real evidence, in real life this would get thrown out of court under you claiming nolle prosequi

carver HAS presented evidence...now you may disagree with the evidence, but it is disingenuous to claim he hasn't given evidence.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem Carver is that you may as well be speaking a different language, since you have this intractable assessment of Frieza's power that you won't change no matter how many times you fail to support it.

What is it that I am failing to support? How about this, ask the thanos supporters to show a scan of thanos powerout put... ask them t show me one scan that proves thanos blast is stronger than friezas. Ask them to show some planetary destruction power... not drax rambing him... show thanos being capable of destroying a planet.

Thanos durability is what makes him. That is why I say, time is the main factor in this battle. Thanos has survived a planetoid exploding on him and he also survived a thrashing from odin (who didn't even use a portion of his power because if so, those feeble asgardians that was standing behind him would have turned to dust) but what output of power does he have that proves that he could rock someone that kick back planetary blast with his pinky toe?

This fight is all about thanos durability vs frieza power. Frieza power would eventually stop him. We have seen frieza survive planetary explosions, can thanos generate more power than this. An enrage thanos took time leveling a city... that's not enough.

That's why I am asking for scans. I agree, thanos could drop frieza with a couple of well placed licks, its not happening though, those chances are next to none. His only hope is his blasting power. Show me these feats.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what specifically has he failed to support?

(1) Frieza is FTL
(2) That Frieza has strength anywhere close to the level that would give Thanos pause.
(3) That Frieza has the durability to tank Thanos's attacks.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let's see, that

(1) Frieza is FTL
(2) That Frieza has strength anywhere close to the level that would give Thanos pause.
(3) That Frieza has the durability to tank Thanos's attacks.

1) he hasn't proven it. But why does he need to? Thanos isn't FTL either.

2) I think carver conceded that thanos is stronger physically.

3) Carver has shown evidence of Frieza's durability.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you have no real evidence, in real life this would get thrown out of court under you claiming nolle prosequi

only in the vs forum can this foolishness continue

Why don't I have evidence?

I showed you frieza blitzing goku and goku being unable to touch him. Goku is multitudes more faster than thanos. I showed you frieza kicking back a planetary blast with his foot and also dodging blast. I showed you frieza destroying a planet with nothing but a finger along with splitting a planet almost in half with nothing but a finger and he did this during his weakest. Frieza tanked planetary explosions and his durability allowed him to withstand the longest beat down in comic history.

What did you show me? Thanos slapping surfer. Wtf.

First thing, surfer fought like an idiot... why approach thanos when surfer could easily fight him from a distance, THEN surfer didn't use none of his versatility and showed no signs of speed in that fight.

The fight was irrelevant and he deserved to get that a** whipped.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let's see, that

(1) Frieza is FTL
(2) That Frieza has strength anywhere close to the level that would give Thanos pause.
(3) That Frieza has the durability to tank Thanos's attacks.

So thanos is ftl huh?

Prove it.

I already agreed that thanos is stronger... what I said was "that doesn't mean that frieza fist can't hurt him".

Why doesn't he have the durability to survive thanos shots? Can thanos deliver blow stronger than a planet shaking kick which frieza tanked. I admit, frieza isnt walking through thanos punches but he isn't being one shotted either.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're making a general claim without specific charges...that would be thrown out in court of law as well

carver HAS presented evidence...now you may disagree with the evidence, but it is disingenuous to claim he hasn't given evidence.

not a hard concept

i practice what i preach:

Originally posted by psycho gundam

Originally posted by Black bolt z
As for the scans...mabye it just went over my head....but what the hell was that?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
chibaku tensei (planetary/world devastation) in animated form:

jptJciahQWE&feature the animated team changed things, but the spirit is still there.

^ as you can see the one performing the technique did several things in the anime that never happened in the manga...at all, i can't say 100% that nagato could even do those things he did, well at least i wouldn't swear that he could on the forum.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
either provide canon evidence (fleshed out with animation if it's needed), or leave it to someone who will.

not a hard concept

Hhhmmm, why wasn't you saying this in the street fighter vs ironman thread when people were using nothing but the animated version?

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine has hit people far faster. Deathstroke has numerous of showings with him tagging the flashes, spiderman, hulk, the list goes on but that doesn't mean that they are hitting goku, even at his weakest.

I disagree about surfer being more durable against blunt force trama. He can't withstand what goku can withstand in a fight, especially when we have showings of ironman dropping him... ironman wouldn't even register to a dbz character.

Surfer at his highest is undeniably more durable than Frieza if we go by feats dude. Maybe we should adopt C-Master's approach of giving results based on each level of showings or something.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, thanos could drop frieza with a couple of well placed licks

I don't care what you all say. We're making progress here.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i practice what i preach:

I never said that you didn't, that is why I consider you a great debator BUT if you wanted to use the anime, I wouldnt have a problem with you using it either if it was an approval source from the writer.

You have never seen me just outright down someone because they are using the anime and you don't usually act like this unless its involving dbz.

If you want to use the anime, use it but make sure what you are telling me is the truth before saying it. I don't have a problem with it.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That is why the concepts of PIS/CIS exist. In all honesty though, many people do make arguments for those guys hitting faster people, yourself included.

Surfer at his highest is undeniably more durable than Frieza if we go by feats dude. Maybe we should adopt C-Master's approach of giving results based on each level of showings or something.

👆

I don't care what you all say. We're making progress here.

That's why I asked... if surfer was depleted of ALL of his energy (kind of like how rulk had him), do you think he could survive a planetary level explosion?

Your arguments for thanos speed is irrelevant. If frieza doesn't want thanos touching him, he is not touching him. If frieza doesn't want thanos seeing him, he isn't seeing him.

This fight is decided on thanos durability.

Originally posted by carver9
So thanos is ftl huh?

Prove it.

I already agreed that thanos is stronger... what I said was "that doesn't mean that frieza fist can't hurt him".

Why doesn't he have the durability to survive thanos shots? Can thanos deliver blow stronger than a planet shaking kick which frieza tanked. I admit, frieza isnt walking through thanos punches but he isn't being one shotted either.

I never made the claim that Thanos was FTL. That's an awful dodge even for you.

A "planet shaking kick" is pretty vague. And yes he could. He's survived a black hole. No one in DBZ comes close to that. Period.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

I never made the claim that Thanos was FTL. That's an awful dodge even for you.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

A "planet shaking kick" is pretty vague. And yes he could. He's survived a black hole. No one in DBZ comes close to that. Period.

Also, comic black holes aren't that impressive nor do they make sense.

Originally posted by carver9
That's why I asked... if surfer was depleted of ALL of his energy (kind of like how rulk had him), do you think he could survive a planetary level explosion?

Your arguments for thanos speed is irrelevant. If frieza doesn't want thanos touching him, he is not touching him. If frieza doesn't want thanos seeing him, he isn't seeing him.

This fight is decided on thanos durability.

I'm not necessarily sure. I'd actually say that if Surfer were completely depleted of his energies he'd probably die in a planetary explosion since his durability is apparently correlated to his energy reserves. However, since your line of reasoning is apparen and I know where you're trying to go with this, NO, that does not mean that Frieza is more durable than Surfer since when he was drained of his power he survived a planetary explosion, it simply means the source of there respective durability is different for each character. Frieza's comes from his alien physiology whereas Surfer's is provided/augmented by his reserves of Power Cosmic, similar to Superman's (who always comes up in these discussions since he's pretty much the comic hero litmus test) durability when he's completely depleted of sunlight (he reverts to pretty much a regular human's durability) versus powered by sunlight.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What is this? I don't even.

I never made the claim that Thanos was FTL. That's an awful dodge even for you.

A "planet shaking kick" is pretty vague. And yes he could. He's survived a black hole. No one in DBZ comes close to that. Period.

What is it that you don't understand about your black hole argument?

Thanos has been hurt by far less than a black hole. Do you not undersand this.

Since we are going this route, gladiator wins 10/10 against thanos. Thanos haven't shown me that he could generate more power than a sun going nova in which gladiator has swam through with ease and gladiator can tank anything thanos can throw at him since he tanked a blast that was stated as being capable of destroying a solar system.

How about this, thor 10/10 against thanos since he has survived attacks from an enraged celestial, attacks from galactus, attacks from an enraged odin and the list goes on. Let's forget about these characters average showings.

Lol... debates these days... amazing.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Then why the hell does Carver have to show Frieza is FTL? you're the one making a strawman here

no one in dbz has come across a black hole 😐

Also, comic black holes aren't that impressive nor do they make sense.

Even in comics black holes are treated as one of the ultimate forces of destruction. I don't see why you have to lowball that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Strawman? Lol. You asked me what claims he's made that he hasn't backed up. I brought up his FTL claim. This is way simpler than you're making it, Bruce old boy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Even in comics black holes are treated as one of the ultimate forces of destruction. I don't see why you have to lowball that.

Please wiki and read up on black holes before engaging me further on this topic. If you know anything about black holes, you'd know that superman or surfer shouldn't survive it without some plot device.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm lowballing the blackhole feats simply because they make no sense.

Please wiki and read up on black holes before engaging me further on this topic. If you know anything about black holes, you'd know that superman or surfer shouldn't survive it without some plot device.

Also unlike you I have some knowledge that doesn't come from Wiki.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol I know what a black hole is and am well aware that comic black holes are different entities. That being said black holes in comics are still incredibly destructive. Far more than a "planet shaking kick".

for all I know, comic blackholes exist solely so guys like you can use them as durability feats to impress the ignorant 🙄