Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, what has a comic black hole done then that has proven their destructive force?for all I know, comic blackholes exist solely so guys like you can use them as durability feats to impress the ignorant 🙄
black holes in comics are as they are in reality, unless stated otherwise.
Originally posted by Omega Visionand the absurdity that guys who bleed from a physical beating by mere CL100s can survive them no problem...utterly insane and a disgrace to anybody with a inkling of the true nature of a black hole
with some differences mind you. Namely that you can see them in comics 😛
Originally posted by Starscream M
and the absurdity that guys who bleed from a physical beating by mere CL100s can survive them no problem...utterly insane and a disgrace to anybody with a inkling of the true nature of a black hole
Are we also to act like FTL feats don't happen because anyone with a iota of scientific knowledge knows that (with our current understanding of the Universe) FTL travel is impossible?
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not necessarily sure. I'd actually say that if Surfer were completely depleted of his energies he'd probably die in a planetary explosion since his durability is apparently correlated to his energy reserves. However, since your line of reasoning is apparen and I know where you're trying to go with this, [b]NO, that does not mean that Frieza is more durable than Surfer since when he was drained of his power he survived a planetary explosion, it simply means the source of there respective durability is different for each character. Frieza's comes from his alien physiology whereas Surfer's is provided/augmented by his reserves of Power Cosmic, similar to Superman's (who always comes up in these discussions since he's pretty much the comic hero litmus test) durability when he's completely depleted of sunlight (he reverts to pretty much a regular human's durability) versus powered by sunlight. [/B]
You know these same rules apply to frieza along with any other dbz character. The more ki you have the higher your durability is. Frieza durability while tanking this planetary explosion was depleted, that's why goku flew off, he was no longer a threat.
The more ki you have the more durable you are.
Originally posted by Omega Visiondude, its not disbelief.
Suspension of disbelief, bro.Are we also to act like FTL feats don't happen because anyone with a iota of scientific knowledge knows that (with our current understanding of the Universe) FTL travel is impossible?
I'm fine with someone surviving a black hole. But if that same person gets a bloody lip the next time he gets punched by another herald...that's where the absurd inconsistency lies. Basically, the black hole does less damage than a punch from Doomsday.
So if you want to say so and so survived a black hole, fine....but please provide the disclaimer that this black hole is not what we know of a real black hole's destructive properties.
I mean, if you really accept superman being able to fly out of a blackhole...the forces he is exerting would be INSANE.
Originally posted by Starscream M
dude, its not disbelief.I'm fine with someone surviving a black hole. But if that same person gets a bloody lip the next time he gets punched by another herald...that's where the absurd inconsistency lies. Basically, the black hole does less damage than a punch from Doomsday.
So if you want to say so and so survived a black hole, fine....but please provide the disclaimer that this black hole is not what we know of a real black hole's destructive properties.
I mean, if you really accept superman being able to fly out of a blackhole...the forces he is exerting would be INSANE.
Originally posted by Omega VisionMy point is basically, if you want a character to survive a black hole...fine.
Suspension of disbelief, bro.Are we also to act like FTL feats don't happen because anyone with a iota of scientific knowledge knows that (with our current understanding of the Universe) FTL travel is impossible?
But that character should not even be tickled when he gets attacked by other heralds.
Originally posted by Omega Visionwell, I was thinking more the superman incident where he apparently flew his way out of it without much harm iirc.
Except if you'd actually read the Thanos comic where he survives the black hole he isn't in a really fit shape, he's covered in wounds. The black hole did more than PG Thor's blows on Thanos.
Originally posted by carver9
What is it that you don't understand about your black hole argument?Thanos has been hurt by far less than a black hole. Do you not undersand this.
Since we are going this route, gladiator wins 10/10 against thanos. Thanos haven't shown me that he could generate more power than a sun going nova in which gladiator has swam through with ease and gladiator can tank anything thanos can throw at him since he tanked a blast that was stated as being capable of destroying a solar system.
How about this, thor 10/10 against thanos since he has survived attacks from an enraged celestial, attacks from galactus, attacks from an enraged odin and the list goes on. Let's forget about these characters average showings.
Lol... debates these days... amazing.
Originally posted by carver9He already has.
Quan... thanos can't beat maker.
Originally posted by iceman24567Wrong, I am partly to blame as I let this carry on for far too long. Theh Maker was at full power the Beyonder you could make a case for less vulnerable but we are discussing the Maker.
The Maker was obviously "weakned" to an extent to deny that much is pure bias 😬
Originally posted by carver9
You know these same rules apply to frieza along with any other dbz character. The more ki you have the higher your durability is. Frieza durability while tanking this planetary explosion was depleted, that's why goku flew off, he was no longer a threat.The more ki you have the more durable you are.
That's not entirely true though, particularly in Frieza's case because he had the ability to alter his physical form into more durable configurations, his final form being his most durable. This is also evidenced by the fact that most DBZ characters other than Frieza and a couple other exceptions (likely Buu & Cell being those exceptions) would have died outright if they were dismembered by the destructo disk in the same manner, unless you believe you can cut Gohan or Goku in half at the waist and they'd still be alive and capable of carrying on a conversation. That had to do with Frieza's physical makeup, not simply his energy levels.
Originally posted by illadelph12
That's not entirely true though, particularly in Frieza's case because he had the ability to alter his physical form into more durable configurations, his final form being his most durable. This is also evidenced by the fact that most DBZ characters other than Frieza and a couple other exceptions (likely Buu & Cell being those exceptions) would have died outright if they were dismembered by the destructo disk in the same manner, unless you believe you can cut Gohan or Goku in half at the waist and they'd still be alive and capable of carrying on a conversation. That had to do with Frieza's physical makeup, not simply his energy levels.
The thing is... super saiyan goku durability was higher due to his power level being higher than frieza, that's why frieza energy depleted much faster than gokus, he couldn't withstand his attacks whereas goku was still almost at a 100%, even during the end. Both were on even terms but goku durability allowed him to last longer.
Now in regards to being cut in half... I truly don't know. Goku has had holes completely shot through him in his chest area (baseball size holes) and was still fighting. So that part is debatable.
Originally posted by carver9
What is it that you don't understand about your black hole argument?Thanos has been hurt by far less than a black hole. Do you not undersand this.
Since we are going this route......
Let's forget about these characters average showings.Lol... debates these days... amazing.
Originally posted by Starscream M
and the absurdity that guys who bleed from a physical beating by mere CL100s can survive them no problem...utterly insane and a disgrace to anybody with a inkling of the true nature of a black hole
Originally posted by carver9
You know these same rules apply to frieza along with any other dbz character. The more ki you have the higher your durability is. Frieza durability while tanking this planetary explosion was depleted, that's why goku flew off, he was no longer a threat.
Originally posted by illadelph12this true as frieza couold survive in space due to his species, this is part of why he chose to end namek when he was hopeless against son goku
That's not entirely true though, particularly in Frieza's case because he had the ability to alter his physical form into more durable configurations, his final form being his most durable. This is also evidenced by the fact that most DBZ characters other than Frieza and a couple other exceptions (likely Buu & Cell being those exceptions) would have died outright if they were dismembered by the destructo disk in the same manner, unless you believe you can cut Gohan or Goku in half at the waist and they'd still be alive and capable of carrying on a conversation. That had to do with Frieza's physical makeup, not simply his energy levels.