Heralds vs Odin

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
@WWK: The feat is impressive because the Surfer tanked multiple attacks from TWO high abstracts and managed to survive immersion in energy that would kill or at the very least badly harm high abstracts.

He didn't tank. It's not tanking hits when you're getting your entire body shattered. And how much do you wanna bet Thor could've pulled off the same feat? It's not like Thor or other herald/top tiers have taken shots from Galactus level beings or Galactus himself...oh wait...

As for that Crunch feat, you act as if Odin or anyone else couldn't pull it off if the story called for it. Going by actual feats, Odin tapped into Infinity's power no problem and she's far above the two proemial gods. Just because Galactus said something it doesn't mean it holds entirely true of other beings, especially considering Odin and Surfer were not born from the Crunch the way Galactus and the proemial gods were. Galactus even states that it's the energy that bore them that will consume them. Also, the fact that Odin made Thor and his enemies look like chumps should put this to rest. So Surfer took a some attacks that were about to kill him. It's impressive but it doesn't even hold a candle to Odin seeing as how Odin stomped Surfer in one shot.

Here's a list of people Odin has one-shotted. See if you can spot any kind difference in tiers.

Surfer (classic)
Drax (classic)
Annihilus - While Odin was already weakened.
Ulik - In one punch while still poisoned by Thanos.
Hela

That in itself is a feat, don't think Quan claimed anything about the Surfer being effective in any way or form in the battle. Just the fact that he took multiple direct hits from beings far beyond skyfather in power levels.

Oh but he is trying to make that claim. Apparently this current Surfer is going to beat Odin with the aid of the other heralds. No other herald here is above classic Surfer in terms of power. How would any of them survive more that two hits from Odin or even harm Odin when neither Thanos nor classic Surfer could? But current Surfer is going to make the difference if all he brings is durability to this fight? The guy was nearly dead and managed to do zero damage to the Proemial Gods. But fanboy thinks that's impressive enough reason to say the team would win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw that the Surfer and Nova weren't viable threats. Surfer didn't engage him long enough but we saw how wide the power gap was. Firelord doesn't easily shatter his board while taking on others as well. He may have wrecked it before but this portrayal isn't the same thing. You falsely comparing it is another sign of comprehension inadequacy.

LMAO at this. Nothing needs to be said. Firelord broke Surfer's board and so did Mar-Vell. Surfer was unharm.

The Galactus level beings are far above Odin's power as well and since the Surfer survived more than two attacks, was near death, and still survived manipulating the crunch it's safe to say he can tank Odin's attacks head on for a considerable length of time.

And so your argument amounts to Surfer is going to get up every time Odin slaps him down. But Surfer, he couldn't do a thing to Odin at all. But all the other heralds get one or two shotted out of the fight and Surfer can only get up to get slapped down again.

That was the old Thanos and yes he has been cut before as well but he wasn't defeated in either of those incidents whereas odin has been bested by ants. Ants far less powerful than Morg showing numbers can defeat odin with his entire army save Thor no less. My case is pretty simple and backed by comics.

Atleast it was an army and not one Squirrel Girl. And you're just lucky Starlin was there to retcon out that defeat by Kazar. Oh well, I'm still pleased Starlin still wrote Odin slapping Thanos around while the titan couldn't even move the old man with his hardest. Say what you want to but Thanos and Odin have fought and Thanos was getting abused. 😄

The point is increasing his size has never really amped his power to uber levels sure he's done it on occasion but his power level stays the same. He's still nothing to a Celestial whether he's big or small even in destroyer armor amped by all asgardians save Thor.

I see. You want to ignore facts and the entire purpose of the Twilights Sword. Thanos would get murdered had Odin grew to titanic proportions. 😄

Keep the personal comments out of this thread you are again overcome by emotions whereas I am making clear and concise points. Pull yourself together.

lol So now you're gonna cry?

I don't see it as making a huge difference and he's never done so in character on his own on panel so it's out of character anyways. 🙂 Ants have overwhelmed him who aren't even close to these power levels so this team with Surfer definitely rape his bum.

Thanos traded blow for blow and was only singed after running through a concentrated blast. Odin would be badly burned as well if he ran through one of Thanos'.

In your dreams only.

It's a post a few years ago you cling to for dear life. You don't seem to be a big deal on kmc you just seem to still come here though with having little to no impact.

Lol, who's the one that gets laughed at here in KMC and over at Spinsulin/Herochat for there lack of logic and total fanboyism?

Odin's words contradict these exaggerations. CC sees through your lies.

LMAO. CC? One guy and you hold him up as proof you're right? Hahahaha, and yet you ignore entire board of people who believe different.

Surfer isn't more powerful than that Thanos with the team they overwhelm Odin i mean far less has beaten him and his entire army.

Odin has no chance.

By flying around! Yes, Surfer is going to flying around and do nothing to Odin. His team all get one-shotted. And Surfer automatically wins because of a fanboy's wish. Yes, truly this is how we should debate. I think all message boards should change their rules to this.

If a fanboy believes something is true, it must be true. If two fanboys have opposing view points, all members are banned for life until the two fanboys can come to a mutual agreement.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
LMAO at this. Nothing needs to be said. Firelord broke Surfer's board and so did Mar-Vell. Surfer was unharm.

And so your argument amounts to Surfer is going to get up every time Odin slaps him down. But Surfer, he couldn't do a thing to Odin at all. But all the other heralds get one or two shotted out of the fight and Surfer can only get up to get slapped down again.

Atleast it was an army and not one Squirrel Girl. And you're just lucky Starlin was there to retcon out that defeat by Kazar. Oh well, I'm still pleased Starlin still wrote Odin slapping Thanos around while the titan couldn't even move the old man with his hardest. Say what you want to but Thanos and Odin have fought and Thanos was getting abused. 😄

I see. You want to ignore facts and the entire purpose of the Twilights Sword. Thanos would get murdered had Odin grew to titanic proportions. 😄

lol So now you're gonna cry?

In your dreams only.

Lol, who's the one that gets laughed at here in KMC and over at Spinsulin/Herochat for there lack of logic and total fanboyism?

LMAO. CC? One guy and you hold him up as proof you're right? Hahahaha, and yet you ignore entire board of people who believe different.

By flying around! Yes, Surfer is going to flying around and do nothing to Odin. His team all get one-shotted. And Surfer automatically wins because of a fanboy's wish. Yes, truly this is how we should debate. I think all message boards should change their rules to this.

If a fanboy believes something is true, it must be true. If two fanboys have opposing view points, all members are banned for life until the two fanboys can come to a mutual agreement.

Surfer was also harmed when the artist shows his board being absolutely decimated is this a way of saying Surfer can laugh off Marv's blasts iyo ?

Odin won't easily slap him down and Surfer faced two beings far more powerful than odin here. Surfer can hurt him and tank his blasts till the others dogpile him.

Sg is undefeated and thus more effective than ants but it's not canon anyways. Thanos was Odin's peer as cc pointed out. The proof is on panel with the dialogue which contradicts your opinion.

Thanos has launched Galactus and owned the Maker another being far more powerful than odin. Odin changing size wouldn't change the outcome, he'd lose to Thanos.

Not crying just smiling.

Cc agrees as does the comic with my assessment which is spot on.

Stick to the topic.

It doesn't matter if they disagree the comic supports my views not your own.

Surfer is going to be actively engaging Odin and with his durability tanking blasts thus weakening Odin while the others weaken him as well. Far less powerful than the ants yet they defeated him along with an entire army thus backing up my case. I always cite other comics to support my reasoning. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Restating yourself doesn't change the dramatic difference between these two showings in which Mar-vell was shown to be more powerful than Surfer.

So Mar-Vell is more powerful than Surfer by not much.

Surfer was also harmed when the artist shows his board being absolutely decimated is this a way of saying Surfer can laugh off Marv's blasts iyo ?

Clearly this shows than Mar-Vell can break Surfer's board to which Drax and Firelord have done the same. Some how this proves what exactly for this fight? Surfer is beating Odin because he got his board broken?

Odin won't easily slap him down and Surfer faced two beings far more powerful than odin here. Surfer can hurt him and tank his blasts till the others dogpile him.

Current Surfer hurt who again? The Black Panther? BRB? Classic Surfer could've done that and he was useless against Odin.

Yeah, that's right. Dogpile a guy that can grew to gigantic proportions and fight on multiple planes of reality. Classic Surfer got one-shotted, every other heralds get one shotted. Logic is simple even if you don't understand.

Sg is undefeated and thus more effective than ants but it's not canon anyways. Thanos was Odin's peer as cc pointed out. The proof is on panel with the dialogue which contradicts your opinion.

So you do admit SG beat the sh!t out of Thanos while she never defeated Odin. And as for your last part about peers, you're a clown that believes that against the entire board including it's moderators. What's more to be said then you're wrong?

Thanos has launched Galactus

So if Odin launches Thanos into a castle, then Odin > Thanos is what you're saying. Okay, atleast we have an agreement on this matter.

Odin>Thanos>=Galactus

and owned the Maker another being far more powerful than odin. Odin changing size wouldn't change the outcome, he'd lose to Thanos

I didn't know he was a herald of Galactus and part of this fight. As for Galactus, you mean when he begged Galactus for mercy after hiding like a coward behind shields. Some feat. But let's ignore Odin wrecking galaxies and tapping into Infinity so you can say Thanos is better because he managed to push Galactus a few kilometers.

Not crying just smiling.

Cc agrees as does the comic with my assessment which is spot on.

Stick to the topic.

That you're clownish arguments should be taken seriously. HaHahaHA

It doesn't matter if they disagree the comic supports my views not your own.

Oh so now other people's opinions don't matter.

Surfer is going to be actively engaging Odin and with his durability tanking blasts thus weakening Odin while the others weaken him as well. Far less powerful than the ants yet they defeated him along with an entire army thus backing up my case. I always cite other comics to support my reasoning. 🙂

Is that what Thanos was doing? He sure protected Surfer huh? Weakening Odin. Lol. So Surfer and crew are going to outlast classic Thanos and weaken him? Because Thanos was quivering as he stood up but now Surfer and crew are going to last longer than Thanos and win?

Current Surfer & crew > Thanos indeed.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So Mar-Vell is more powerful than Surfer by not much.

Clearly this shows than Mar-Vell can break Surfer's board to which Drax and Firelord have done the same. Some how this proves what exactly for this fight? Surfer is beating Odin because he got his board broken?

Current Surfer hurt who again? The Black Panther? BRB? Classic Surfer could've done that and he was useless against Odin.

Yeah, that's right. Dogpile a guy that can grew to gigantic proportions and fight on multiple planes of reality. Classic Surfer got one-shotted, every other heralds get one shotted. Logic is simple even if you don't understand.

So you do admit SG beat the sh!t out of Thanos while she never defeated Odin. And as for your last part about peers, you're a clown that believes that against the entire board including it's moderators. What's more to be said then you're wrong?

So if Odin launches Thanos into a castle, then Odin > Thanos is what you're saying. Okay, atleast we have an agreement on this matter.

Odin>Thanos>=Galactus

I didn't know he was a herald of Galactus and part of this fight. As for Galactus, you mean when he begged Galactus for mercy after hiding like a coward behind shields. Some feat. But let's ignore Odin wrecking galaxies and tapping into Infinity so you can say Thanos is better because he managed to push Galactus a few kilometers.

That you're clownish arguments should be taken seriously. HaHahaHA

Oh so now other people's opinions don't matter.

Is that what Thanos was doing? He sure protected Surfer huh? Weakening Odin. Lol. So Surfer and crew are going to outlast classic Thanos and weaken him? Because Thanos was quivering as he stood up but now Surfer and crew are going to last longer than Thanos and win?

Current Surfer & crew > Thanos indeed.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So Mar-Vell is more powerful than Surfer by not much.

Clearly this shows than Mar-Vell can break Surfer's board to which Drax and Firelord have done the same. Some how this proves what exactly for this fight? Surfer is beating Odin because he got his board broken?

Current Surfer hurt who again? The Black Panther? BRB? Classic Surfer could've done that and he was useless against Odin.

Yeah, that's right. Dogpile a guy that can grew to gigantic proportions and fight on multiple planes of reality. Classic Surfer got one-shotted, every other heralds get one shotted. Logic is simple even if you don't understand.

So you do admit SG beat the sh!t out of Thanos while she never defeated Odin. And as for your last part about peers, you're a clown that believes that against the entire board including it's moderators. What's more to be said then you're wrong?

So if Odin launches Thanos into a castle, then Odin > Thanos is what you're saying. Okay, atleast we have an agreement on this matter.

Odin>Thanos>=Galactus

I didn't know he was a herald of Galactus and part of this fight. As for Galactus, you mean when he begged Galactus for mercy after hiding like a coward behind shields. Some feat. But let's ignore Odin wrecking galaxies and tapping into Infinity so you can say Thanos is better because he managed to push Galactus a few kilometers.

That you're clownish arguments should be taken seriously. HaHahaHA

Oh so now other people's opinions don't matter.

Is that what Thanos was doing? He sure protected Surfer huh? Weakening Odin. Lol. So Surfer and crew are going to outlast classic Thanos and weaken him? Because Thanos was quivering as he stood up but now Surfer and crew are going to last longer than Thanos and win?

Current Surfer & crew > Thanos indeed.

It shows how much more powerful mar-vell is than the surfer as he didn't even take him seriously. I mean T and A had to so this is even more impressive. Restating yourself and drawing false comparisons doesn't change this fact.

Surfer can reform his board and with the help of the others they all defeat Odin here.

Current Surfer raped BrB and tanked multiple blasts and survived the crunch feat which would eventually destroy Galactus as well half dead. This all shows he is far beyond classic surfer and most definitely well above his odin showing and his raping at Thor's hands in the same arc.

Surfer wasn't one or two shotted by far more powerful beings than Odin so logic isn't lost on me by any means as I am citing evidence. Odin can still be worn down and growing only takes up more of his power so he's welcome to do so.

Two thor hammers once affected every plane of reality and since Seth isn't here I don't see Odin doing so on his own.

No, I don't see that as canon more of a joke to starlin. The ants are canon and far less formidable than sg who not only beat Odin they overwhelmed he and his entire army.

Your personal comments are irrelevant.

I've seen Thanos launch a fresh well nourished Galactus much farther so by your logic he is greater than Galactus. These blasts while they did minor damage to Thanos only managed after an entire battle to singe his clothing. Not very impressive imo.

Thanos wasn't there to fight Galactus he was there to prevent Hunger and when Galactus foolishly did so he took action to stop him. Using your pwers isn't cowardly it's intelligent. LOL.

You are taking these arguments seriously hence your responses. LOL.

Majority never decides anything I am just saying cc agrees with my assessments to a tee so he's right along with me. The comic clearly makes the dialogue spell it out.

Surfer was less than he is now and we saw how much power Odin was using against Thanos and throughout an entire issue he was still unable to take him down despite bringing out his weapon.

Odin's overwhelmed and doesn't have the power to beat Surfer here based on his upgrade imo with the aid of the group on this one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he is a lot more powerful than the Surfer as shown by the comic. He was a beast.

It shows how much more powerful mar-vell is than the surfer as he didn't even take him seriously. I mean T and A had to so this is even more impressive. Restating yourself and drawing false comparisons doesn't change this fact.

Whatever fanboy. Mar-Vell didn't do a damn thing that Firelord and Drax couldn't.

Surfer can reform his board and with the help of the others they all defeat Odin here.

And that's why Mar-Vell's feat was unimpressive.

Current Surfer raped BrB and tanked multiple blasts and survived the crunch feat which would eventually destroy Galactus as well half dead. This all shows he is far beyond classic surfer and most definitely well above his odin showing and his raping at Thor's hands in the same arc.

So his one feat was beating up BRB which means nothing to Odin. And you have a trollish arguments now.

Surfer wasn't one or two shotted by far more powerful beings than Odin so logic isn't lost on me by any means as I am citing evidence. Odin can still be worn down and growing only takes up more of his power so he's welcome to do so.

That means nothing because you base Surfer harming Odin on nothing because Surfer's one feat is beating BRB and nobody else.

Two thor hammers once affected every plane of reality and since Seth isn't here I don't see Odin doing so on his own.

LMAO. That's not fighting on different planes of reality or wrecking galaxies. How much more of this argument do you have? Hahahaha. You think you can drive me away because giving stupid answers? Well this time I'm sticking to this debate all the way till next year if I have to.

No, I don't see that as canon more of a joke to starlin. The ants are canon and far less formidable than sg who not only beat Odin they overwhelmed he and his entire army.

Who cares about you're opinion. It's canon until Marvel says it's not.

Your personal comments are irrelevant.

Then why are you commenting on them?

I've seen Thanos launch a fresh well nourished Galactus much farther so by your logic he is greater than Galactus. These blasts while they did minor damage to Thanos only managed after an entire battle to singe his clothing. Not very impressive imo.

I've seen a fresh Odin launch a beat-up Thanos (at Odin's hand) into Asgard after Thanos told Odin he'd triumph over the old man. Thanos sucks.

Thanos wasn't there to fight Galactus he was there to prevent Hunger and when Galactus foolishly did so he took action to stop him. Using your pwers isn't cowardly it's intelligent. LOL.

Thanos messed with Galactus and got beaten up for it. He put up all his defense in holds he could avoid it but to no avail. Galactus>Thanos so let's not pretend.

You are taking these arguments seriously hence your responses. LOL.

Then why are you responding?

Majority never decides anything I am just saying cc agrees with my assessments to a tee so he's right along with me. The comic clearly makes the dialogue spell it out.

Then you might as well shut up because there's more people who disagree with you on this matter.

Surfer was less than he is now and we saw how much power Odin was using against Thanos and throughout an entire issue he was still unable to take him down despite bringing out his weapon.

So now current Surfer is stronger than classic Thanos and will take down Odin?

Odin's overwhelmed and doesn't have the power to beat Surfer here based on his upgrade imo with the aid of the group on this one.

He brf removes Surfer into the future like he did Gladiator or drops him into a pocket dimension. Then he kills all the heralds. If Surfer manages to get back eventually, Odin stomps as well because the best Surfer beat was BRB.

pretty much what he said. odin wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty much what he said. odin stomps.

close enough. 😂

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Whatever fanboy. Mar-Vell didn't do a damn thing that Firelord and Drax couldn't.

And that's why Mar-Vell's feat was unimpressive.

So his one feat was beating up BRB which means nothing to Odin. And you have a trollish arguments now.

That means nothing because you base Surfer harming Odin on nothing because Surfer's one feat is beating BRB and nobody else.

LMAO. That's not fighting on different planes of reality or wrecking galaxies. How much more of this argument do you have? Hahahaha. You think you can drive me away because giving stupid answers? Well this time I'm sticking to this debate all the way till next year if I have to.

Who cares about you're opinion. It's canon until Marvel says it's not.

Then why are you commenting on them?

I've seen a fresh Odin launch a beat-up Thanos (at Odin's hand) into Asgard after Thanos told Odin he'd triumph over the old man. Thanos sucks.

Thanos messed with Galactus and got beaten up for it. He put up all his defense in holds he could avoid it but to no avail. Galactus>Thanos so let's not pretend.

Then why are you responding?

Then you might as well shut up because there's more people who disagree with you on this matter.

So now current Surfer is stronger than classic Thanos and will take down Odin?

He brf removes Surfer into the future like he did Gladiator or drops him into a pocket dimension. Then he kills all the heralds. If Surfer manages to get back eventually, Odin stomps as well because the best Surfer beat was BRB.

False, if he can easily do this to the board along with injure him while not taking him even seriously then he can easily defeat the Surfer.

Ants who are far less powerful than Surfer defeated Odin so couple this with Surfer's beatdown of Bill while holding back and I have more than proven my case.

Not only the BrB but the T and A showings I mean how many times do I have to remind you. LOL. T and A>>>>>>>>Odin.

It's affecting every plane of reality not just different. LOL at you think a few is better than all. LOL again. You will falter like always before me.

Marvel hasn't made this canon and I am just speaking for myself so you want to hear my opinion as I don't speak for others.

I always respond haven't you caught on yet ?

The comic backs me up not you.

No, current Surfer isn't stronger than classic Thanos I have already told you this. Team wins this not Surfer alone.

Odin has never done this while in combat it's not his style or in character. LOL at you reaching.

You have gone from saying Odin stomps to bfring which shows you don't much believe in your own case anymore.

Less power than BrB has overwhelmed Odin before.

Odin taking a blasts from Thanos and the Silver Surfer with moving or bothering to defend himself:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/28640/824740-odinthanos_super.jpg

Here Odin wastes the Surfer:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9013/warlockandtheinfinitywatch25bl4.jpg

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Odin taking a blasts from Thanos and the Silver Surfer with moving or bothering to defend himself:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/28640/824740-odinthanos_super.jpg

Here Odin wastes the Surfer:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9013/warlockandtheinfinitywatch25bl4.jpg

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Quan is going to say "irrelevant to current surfer"

Originally posted by quanchi112
It most certainly is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He'd still get one shot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't get oneshotted by beings more powerful than Odin.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You talking T&A?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep. 🙂

He not only lasted more than 10 seconds, he went on to kill them or their M-bodies (considering they were seen alive again during Thanos Imperative).