Originally posted by Galan007bill started it when he used stormbreaker as a weapon, seems fair to me as the board is surfer's just as much as the hammer is bill's.
Nah, Surfer's mission was to stop Bill. I've always found it funny that Surfer asked Bill to "talk" as he was simultaneously attacking him. lulzAnyhow, Bill was taking everything Surfer was dishing out, and even giving some back. Then Surfer used the board-cheap-shot maneuver to start gaining some headway. A shady, shady tactic on his part. 👇
it's in his goddamn name.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If that'd have been Superman, he'd look exactly like tigershark
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusit's not cheap really, it's a blatantly obvious maneuver anyone would try if they had it...shit, the x-men used the blackbird as a missile a couple times.
I also like how Surfer attacked Bill first.Oh and the board thing was a cheap tactic anyway you look at it. A valid one, but cheap nonetheless.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's not cheap really, it's a blatantly obvious maneuver anyone would try if they had it...shit, the x-men used the blackbird as a missile a couple times.
It's still pretty low handed of Surfer to distract Bill with a conversation and an energy blast while having the board speed at the back of his neck.
Bill obviously didn't think of it. Perhaps it was because of his mindset at the time. He was a bit irrational.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLike destroying planet?
It's still pretty low handed of Surfer to distract Bill with a conversation and an energy blast while having the board speed at the back of his neck.Bill obviously didn't think of it. Perhaps it was because of his mindset at the time. He was a bit irrational.
you must remember that surfer's personality is greatly diminished by his reinstatement as the current herald, cheap would be for him to float there and have the board make meat fries out of bill at 5x lightspeed while delivering a speech
Originally posted by Black bolt zi know right
Like destroying planet?
if i can't beat em, i'll just starve him to death
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusExactly. I'm not saying Surfer shouldn't have used his board against Bill (after all, it was one of the only options he had to gain some ground.) But before that tactic was used, he and Bill seemed very much equal -- Bill was soaking everything Surfer dished out, and then some.
I also like how Surfer attacked Bill first.Oh and the board thing was a cheap tactic anyway you look at it. A valid one, but cheap nonetheless.
I'd wager that if Bill were to hit an unsuspecting Surfer from behind with a hammer-strike, he would be able to gain the upper hand as well. /shrug
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you must remember that surfer's personality is greatly diminished by his reinstatement as the current herald, cheap would be for him to float there and have the board make meat fries out of bill at 5x lightspeed while delivering a speech
Okay? It's still an underhanded tactic.
If Bill struck Surfer from behind with a hammer toss similar to what he did to Stardust (Also an underhanded tactic), I think he would have gotten the advantage.
Surfer's win against Bill gets really overplayed.
I don't think anyone/thing is being overhyped or downplayed. The comic is quite clear on the matter, imo.
Surfer/Bill start off as near-equals with neither side gaining any legitimate ground, then Surfer hits Bill from behind with his board, which enables him to gain the upperhand.
...Then Skuttlebutt repays the favor by blasting the shiz out of Surfer. 😈
Originally posted by Galan007skuttlebutt is also going to have to ready an icepack for bill's neck and jambone as well. 😈
I don't think anyone/thing is being overhyped or downplayed. The comic is quite clear on the matter, imo.Surfer/Bill start off as near-equals with neither side gaining any ground, then Surfer hits Bill from behind with his board, which enables him to gain the upperhand.
...Then Skuttlebutt repays the favor by blasting the shiz out of Surfer. 😈
that chair he sat in at the end of the issue was theripeudic (iirc)
^ It seems like it almost had to have been more than a slight amp:
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6421/zues7.jpg
The Chaos King was living inside Zeus for crying out loud.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNot lies the truth. Then you lie and say you're done but still keep posting.
Lies.I agree, Thanos can’t knock out someone wielding the Power Gem. His no Thor.
Thanos was the coward who resorted to imprisoning his foe instead of fighting him like a real man.
Thanos was getting his ass kicked by a weaker incarnation of Thor. Lol.
Now we know what would happen if Thanos ever fought a Thor was giving it his all.
Oh poor Thanos, he wasn’t omnipotent, he just wielded infinite power. And he still got his ass kicked.
One. Shot.
So Drax was just sleeping?
Lol, you're such a liar.
Show me where it stated Thor was using the Power Gem against Thanos or concede to being a liar you liar.
You must not tell lies. Thor never fought anyone again because Thanos like a coward used the force block.
Post a scan then.
Because Thanos is a coward who resorted to using a weapon. Lol.
Haha, what a coward. Didn’t even respond because he was scared.
Thor never ko'd anyone accessing the power gem and a previous comic made it very clear against the same foe when he was actively using it.
Thanos is far greater than Thor and beat Thor with the power gem. LOL. Unlike Thor Thanos doesn't run from Odin.
Thanos fought him and when grew bored he ended it. It was stated on panel. Thor never had a chance.
Thanos got knocked around but was putting on a show for death. He beat them all and took on Thor while being serious without any amps and still beat the real deal. If anything you think masterson is greater against Thanos than the real Thor. 🙂
He's not ko'd just being helped up.
You can continue this snake eyes routine all you want. You know it and I know it he was using the power gem prior to Thanos and after. The reason we can tell he was using it was because no one could ko him he was subconsciously amping himself the entire time. Do you think Thor's that big of an idiot he wouldn't use it despite him already using it before and after ?
Are you ok ?
Thanos used his own tech weapon to beat Thor who used an outside weapon. For all Thor's feats and what not Thanos oneshotted him after tanking his attacks when he wanted to. Thanos owns this dumb crazy blonde.
Originally posted by leonidasIt isn't close though and we have a direct comparison by Thanos at one point. You can ignore that and preach about his feats but when you have a direct comparison you don't ignore it because you don't like it. That's awful.
hmm, you don't read well. before i even debated anything with you (years ago on this site, actually) i acknowledged that a well fed g>odin so what YOU have to say on the issue was and remains irrelevant to me. the point of the debate has ALWAYS been that they are relatively CLOSE in power. close enough that odin would crush these heralds who merely possess a fraction of g's power.in the past, pre-upgrade, odin effortlessly one-shotted ss. even pre-'upgrade' ss was the strongest of all the heralds by a significant margin. that said, we can assume odin would easily ko all the heralds in this battle since they never got upgrades. that would leave ss alone.
now, based on literally next to nothing (again, current ss's feats are no more impressive than anything ss has accomplished in the past, and if they are they are only marginally so) you conclude that ss can go from not only NOT being one-shotted as his past self was, but to actually being able to pose a THREAT--ALONE--to odin. that extrapolation is ridiculous in the face of the 'evidence' you cite. even thanos couldn't hurt odin in their battle and he had ss and other uber powerful heroes. all others were fodder aside from thanos. so you feel that current ss could do something thanos couldn't apparently. all based on the single t and a feat and the crunch feat. no proof of increased power output at all. nice job. 👆
i love how you say he 'manhandled' brb. way to force an outcome to suit your needs. wonder what would have happened had ss not hit him in the back? btw, preupgrade ss would never have done that, imo. shows his attitude changed, if not his power. and g was forced to absorb hell because after TRYING to overpower meph, he had no choice.
g has beaten 'scores' of people while weakened? really? like who, pray-tell? he's had his ass handed to him many times while weak. so tell me who he has defeated in a weakened state. can't wait ot hear this.....
and you seem obsessed with NOT stating a level for g and just assuming any g could beat odin. i'm using a standard, average g as my basis of comparison--the version we see most of the time, with feats nothing close to odin. and a character taking blasts from g isn't really all that great, that's the point.
you claim to put stock in feats, but downplay them and lowball the characters who achieve them constantly. you don't use feats but your own beliefs and interpretations to justify your beliefs and refuse to acknowledge that you may be wrong. to achieve feats comparable to odin's high feats, g would have to be VERY powerful. how do we know--because he's never shown those levels of power on panel. to conclude otherwise is ignorant and deserving of a ban because you're not debating, you're being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. following that, it would mean you would think a group of heralds could overwhelm and beat a POWERFUL galactus. that's pretty well thought out......
your stance in the thread is ridiculous at best, malicious at worst. you've been shown what past ss has done. you know what odin has done. you know what g has done and NOT done by comparison and yet still remain unwavering in your conclusions as you do. hey shark, how bout taking a big bite out of a piece of logic sometime! 😄
He won't have the change as this group will be all over him from the get go. Surfer will also be directly engaging him and his board can really create a problem for Odin along with the other heralds. If Odin was this good he wouldn't have lost to an army of far weaker ants. Quit basing this off of one showing that's poor debating.
Yes, he can easily do so as he tanked more than one blast from beings greater than Odin and has done far better against Bill than he has in the past. Use your head. Please.
Thanos was going to beat Odin imo but he also didn't have more than two allies iirc at this point when he took on Odin. I guess mathematics aren't your strong suit they aren't mine either but simple counting shouldn't really confuse ya.
If Thanos wasn't phasing Odin at all he would have beaten him, not braced himself for attacks, not summoned a weapon as a sign of desperation, and not saluted him as an opponent.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Bill landed the first attack which did nothing to Surfer and then he stomped him while holding back. He still held back like always it was a huge show of power.
Galactus changed his tactic and in the end would have absorbed his realm and then easily crushed him so either way Galactus is greater than Meph in his own realm as he can't hurt Galactus.
Reed, the ff, surfer, thor, etc. all while extremely weakened. Reed's prep even failed against him. Awesome showing.
Feats don't undermine a direct comparison and we don't set Galactus as weak unless specified just like Odin so please don't lose sight of that.
I named feats already. You want to keep repeating myself over and over again we have a direct comparison and we have feats. I mean pay attention you just want me to repeat myself over and over again. Use the caps every once in a while too. Thanks.
I am debating I have cited more than one example for why I believe this way and since you disagree you now want a ban. Wow. 🙂 If you can't take a little disagreement move along.
You have lost in this thread just accept it and move on.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ It seems like it almost had to have been more than a slight amp:
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6421/zues7.jpgThe Chaos King was living inside Zeus for crying out loud.
I'm not denying that based on what occured on panel, then the Chaos King played a vital part in Zeus powerlevel when he confronted Galactus,
However as I said given the interview (which I know Rage was refering to else his point is unsupported, posting it so people can read it)
Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3, was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”Van Lente: Greg?
Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.
the slight amped observation is, imo, based entirely on how you read the interview. I'll be honest and say that I don't agree with slightly amped.
