Originally posted by Robtard
Superman isn't logical, not even a little bit. Trying to treat him as if he were a meteorite is flawed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Also not factoring in that Superman would be actively propelled; he could exert more power/speed to compensate for the drag, something an object like a meteorite can't, unless they come with some means of active propulsion I'm not aware of.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
So wait, why are you calculating for 99.99% c when he's explicitly gone faster than the speed of light?
Because he never did that in the atmosphere: it was in space. I'm just humoring the idea from Borbarad.
Originally posted by Robtard
Also not factoring in that Superman would be actively propelled; he could exert more power/speed to compensate for the drag, something an object like a meteorite can't, unless they come with some means of active propulsion I'm not aware of.
Again, just humoring borbarad.
In a way, Borbard is correct in that it would be like hitting a solid wall because of his speed. He'd have to adjust his "propulsion" at a retarded rate. That's not really feasible.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Because he never did that in the atmosphere: it was in space. I'm just humoring the idea from Borbarad.Again, just humoring borbarad.
In a way, Borbard is correct in that it would be like hitting a solid wall because of his speed. He'd have to adjust his "propulsion" at a retarded rate. That's not really feasible.
and yet from what we see on screen superman is affected by atmospheric re entry not a single bit. both actively flying and falling. yes he generates friction but the heat generated doesn't even burn a hair on his head or a thread on his cape.
I find some of the arguments used go this thread odd. like the one where it's supposedly given that superman would even be affected by magic at all. what's this based on from the movies?
Originally posted by jaden101
I find some of the arguments used go this thread odd. like the one where it's supposedly given that superman would even be affected by magic at all. what's this based on from the movies?
The argument applies, equally, in the other direction: it's supposedly given that Superman wouldn't be affected by magic, at all.
Like I've pointed out, it's up to the thread starter.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In a way, Borbard is correct in that it would be like hitting a solid wall because of his speed. He'd have to adjust his "propulsion" at a retarded rate. That's not really feasible.
Not feasible why, because the physics of it are asinine? Tell that to an alien who can travel at light-speed+, is invulnerable and can somehow lift a 100 billion ton island without pushing through it. Superman might as well be classified as "magic", considering his ridiculously improbable powers and what he can do.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not feasible why, because the physics of it are asinine? Tell that to an alien who can travel at light-speed+, is invulnerable and can somehow lift a 100 billion ton island without pushing through it. Superman might as well be classified as "magic", considering his ridiculously improbable powers and what he can do.
It's not feasible because there's not way to prove that Superman can react that fast (the force adjustment would have to be gradual over the course of like.... .00000000001 seconds or something stupid like that.) Sure, he's fast, but I don't think there's any evidence that he can make such a specific adjustment in that amount of time.
Also, yeah, I believe I'm the one that brought up Superman being practically magical when I was describing how he flies.
Well since it comes down to this level of scrutinization:
Is there evidence that he can't...?
Is there any evidence/precedent for HP magic being shown to definitely work on beings from Krypton?
What about sonic booms....or the lack of.... Superman negates regular physics as he is never shown sonic booming....? This implies that he somehow negates the friction caused by colliding with air as he flies at lunatic speeds...so whatever Kal-El is upto transcends the usual dynamics of flight by any definition.
Magical non-sonic boomage, anyone..?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Superman has shown no resistence to magic so its wrong to assume he has any. That said when magic affects him physically (transfigoration, body-bind etc) we can still use his physical attributes.
Neither of the 2 conclusions are ideal but saying that he's never seen to be affected by magic therefore he isn't affected by magic is slightly less wrong than he isn't seen to be affected by magic but lets assume he just will be.
I know in the comics he is but that's not canon in the mvf.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not feasible because there's not way to prove that Superman can react that fast (the force adjustment would have to be gradual over the course of like.... .00000000001 seconds or something stupid like that.) Sure, he's fast, but I don't think there's any evidence that he can make such a specific adjustment in that amount of time.Also, yeah, I believe I'm the one that brought up Superman being practically magical when I was describing how he flies.
Traveling so fast he turns back time wouldn't cut it in the "is that fast" category?
My point is trying to limit Superman down to physics is asinine considering his abilities s seen. Might as well try to limit HP magic to the laws of physics.
Originally posted by Robtard
Traveling so fast he turns back time wouldn't cut it in the "is that fast" category?
Correct.
This is not about velocity, this is about adjusting the force that drives the velocity at an absurd, specific, rate. He was never seen doing that. It was always a "gradual" thing, the to and from super duper speed. It would also require such extreme amounts of intelligence as to make it retarded (he'd have to have that stuff I mentioned, memorized, and then be able to calculate that stuff out in far less than an instant: also something he doesn't have a screen feat for.)
Originally posted by Robtard
My point is trying to limit Superman down to physics is asinine considering his abilities s seen. Might as well try to limit HP magic to the laws of physics.
Nah. It's okay to do with Superman. What we saw onscreen was an idiot writing for superman's character because they were not aware of some of the science behind the universe.
He's not supposed to be a magical being: it supposed to be a combination of psionics (psuedo-science in the real world but "real science" in the comics"😉 and real science.
Contrast with the film statement from Thor from Thor (I did not stutter) when he said their "technology" was a combination of both [science and magic].
Then finish up on Harry Potter when it's all magic...even the telepathy is magic based, not psionics.
Originally posted by dadudemonYouTube video
Correct.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Correct.This is not about velocity, this is about adjusting the force that drives the velocity at an absurd, specific, rate. He was never seen doing that. It was always a "gradual" thing, the to and from super duper speed. It would also require such extreme amounts of intelligence as to make it retarded (he'd have to have that stuff I mentioned, memorized, and then be able to calculate that stuff out in far less than an instant: also something he doesn't have a screen feat for.)
Nah. It's okay to do with Superman. What we saw onscreen was an idiot writing for superman's character because they were not aware of some of the science behind the universe.
He's not supposed to be a magical being: it supposed to be a combination of psionics (psuedo-science in the real world but "real science" in the comics"😉 and real science.
Contrast with the film statement from Thor from Thor (I did not stutter) when he said their "technology" was a combination of both [science and magic].
Then finish up on Harry Potter when it's all magic...even the telepathy is magic based, not psionics.
In Superman he went from circling the planet at a moderate rate to time-travel speeds in a fairly short length of time. That shows a great increase in speed, dude. And as someone pointed out, for him to more a light-speed+, he'd have tapped into infinite levels of energy. Lots of possibilities there.
I'm not saying he's magic, I'm saying his powers/abilities are like magic in the sense they defy all. Talking in space is another one that is wtf.