Originally posted by Q99Cool, What ifs.
So, of the BB supporters here, who thinks he'd beat Superman, who doesn't have a good way to cancel the scream?What if he wasn't allowed to use his scream, what'd the odds be there?
What if Wonder Woman didn't have the bracelets here? What if Wonder Woman didn't have super speed, super strength, or super durability here?
What if Wonder Woman wasn't a woman at all?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cool, What ifs.What if Wonder Woman didn't have the bracelets here? What if Wonder Woman didn't have super speed, super strength, or super durability here?
What if Wonder Woman wasn't a woman at all?
If you add, "what if WW wasn't an interesting character" to your list, I'd say the answer would be "he'd be Wolverine".
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cool, What ifs.What if Wonder Woman didn't have the bracelets here? What if Wonder Woman didn't have super speed, super strength, or super durability here?
What if Wonder Woman wasn't a woman at all?
Without bracers is a reasonable question, since she has, rarely, gone without them and their presence is the main thing that lets her safely handle BB's most dangerous weapon (without it, she'd either have to dodge it, possible but less safe than blocking which can be done in combination with dodging, or try and tank it, a very bad idea). The others go too far off relevant.
Drawing analogies to other characters or asking how particular things affect a fight are reasonable debate questions.
Originally posted by marwash22Not true about him having no advantage. TP, energy manip, matter manip, the coolest attack ever.
Still going with Wondy on this one. If what's been said about her bracers being able to block sound holds true, even if she blitzes BB and he's quick enough to react with a scream, she can block it... that said, BB has no advantage in this this fight.
Just much more versitile then wonder woman. I'm not saying thats going to win him the fight i'm just saying he doesn't have no advantages.
I'm tossed up. But because BB is my boy I give him a slight majority.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebIf WW was a man she'd be a lot stronger since she would have more testosterone in her system. Wonder_man would be uber.
Cool, What ifs.What if Wonder Woman didn't have the bracelets here? What if Wonder Woman didn't have super speed, super strength, or super durability here?
What if Wonder Woman wasn't a woman at all?
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but most of his fights are against people less powerful than Diana.In most of his fights, it's his melee power than wins, and in that realm he is outclassed.
When he does fight people WW's level, he needs the Voice.
Black Bolt has held his own against Namor, Gladiator, Hulk and Thor in hand to hand combat.
Try again.
Originally posted by Q99Where do we draw the line then when all what ifs are irrelevant unless stated in the OP?
Without bracers is a reasonable question, since she has, rarely, gone without them and their presence is the main thing that lets her safely handle BB's most dangerous weapon (without it, she'd either have to dodge it, possible but less safe than blocking which can be done in combination with dodging, or try and tank it, a very bad idea). The others go too far off relevant.Drawing analogies to other characters or asking how particular things affect a fight are reasonable debate questions.
"That's not really relevant, but it's way more relevant than that!!!"
Rage.Of.Olympus- Even Thor generally isn't portrayed as HtH skilled as Diana IMO, he's good but it's less often that he's portrayed as just out-skilling someone (Herc's acknowledged as a bit more HtH skilled for example). Also as others noted, speed.
Also, while BB can hold his own, can he beat Hulk, Thor, or Gladiator without his voice, or just give them a good fight?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Where do we draw the line then when all what ifs are irrelevant unless stated in the OP?"That's not really relevant, but it's way more relevant than that!!!"
When things start to go really off-topic and stop involving the characters in situations that relate to the op. Drawing comparisons to how someone would do against similar powered characters isn't it. I.e. pointing out other people BB has done well against in melee is good, but wondering how he'd do without his powers would be pretty pointless.
Originally posted by Q99Right, off topic, like talking about something not in this thread. Like BB without his voice.
When things start to go really off-topic and stop involving the characters in situations that relate to the op. Drawing comparisons to how someone would do against similar powered characters isn't it. I.e. pointing out other people BB has done well against in melee is good, but wondering how he'd do without his powers would be pretty pointless.
Wondering how he'd do without his powers... interesting how you say this when you were talking about taking away his most powerful power.
Originally posted by Q99
Rage.Of.Olympus- Even Thor generally isn't portrayed as HtH skilled as Diana IMO, he's good but it's less often that he's portrayed as just out-skilling someone (Herc's acknowledged as a bit more HtH skilled for example). Also as others noted, speed.Also, while BB can hold his own, can he beat Hulk, Thor, or Gladiator without his voice, or just give them a good fight?
Unfortunately I'm not and never have been impressed by Diana's supposed hand to hand skills. At least compared to her fan base. More bark than bite. Thor might not be as fancy as her, but his just as effective.
So that's another category Hercules edges Diana out in.
Using only his physical strength? I'd wager no. Fortunately, he has vast energy manipulation abilities ranging from transmutation to stat amping to his famous voice.