Sodam Yat (Ion) and Superboy Prime vs Odin

lol

even when a mod specifically says its legal it doesn't matter to quanch. if you want to say g fires the UN every battle, be my guest. g has talked specifically about the UN a few times though and there are reasons he doesn't use it. i would gladly debate the issue in the appropriate thread if you could ever scrounge up time....

that aside, one-time shown powers are still powers. thor and superman have used them in threads. in this case, odin can and has used time stop to end a battle he was involved in. your cry of CONTEXT! CONTEXT! is moot in this case. he was in battle with.... THE DESTROYER, NOT LOKI. the destroyer was firing. the destroyer was in front of him. had odin been able to reach loki he wouldn't NEED to stop time. he couldn't so he did. battle over.

rage was likely right--certain levels of foes likely could be immune or control time themselves. lesser beings he doesn't need it.

on top of it all, a mod has ruled it is viable. keep hammering on it though. mods like when people troll threads....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fair enough. This proves that if he has to, Odin will resort to time stopping if he has to. You can't argue that it's not a viable tactic for a fight anymore.

Lol. Thor Annual #3.

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Originally posted by leonidas
lol

even when a mod specifically says its legal it doesn't matter to quanch. if you want to say g fires the UN every battle, be my guest. g has talked specifically about the UN a few times though and there are reasons he doesn't use it. i would gladly debate the issue in the appropriate thread if you could ever scrounge up time....

that aside, one-time shown powers are still powers. thor and superman have used them in threads. in this case, odin can and has used time stop to end a battle he was involved in. your cry of CONTEXT! CONTEXT! is moot in this case. he was in battle with.... THE DESTROYER, NOT LOKI. the destroyer was firing. the destroyer was in front of him. had odin been able to reach loki he wouldn't NEED to stop time. he couldn't so he did. battle over.

rage was likely right--certain levels of foes likely could be immune or control time themselves. lesser beings he doesn't need it.

[b]on top of it all, a mod has ruled it is viable. keep hammering on it though. mods like when people troll threads.... [/B]

He had to get to Loki to stop the destroyer who was outside the battlefield so if he takes someone on a far distance away and can't make it to them in time to prevent their misdeeds then sure he does. Otherwise it isn't in character for Odin to use this tactic when he can directly take on his foe who is right in front of him.

quickquote=13176980](auto quote)[/quickquote]If he can't directly get to the cause of the problem due to being a far distance away sure he can and will. Otherwise, I don't believe he does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never disagreed with the mod, ever. I said in the same set of circumstances he would do so. It's all right in the scan and I wouldn't argue Galactus fires the un unless the threat warranted it and have gone away from that style of debating because it's highly unlikely.

He had to get to Loki to stop the destroyer who was outside the battlefield so if he takes someone on a far distance away and can't make it to them in time to prevent their misdeeds then sure he does. Otherwise it isn't in character for Odin to use this tactic when he can directly take on his foe who is right in front of him.

quickquote=13176980](auto quote)[/quickquote]If he can't directly get to the cause of the problem due to being a far distance away sure he can and will. Otherwise, I don't believe he does.

the same set of corcumstances being that he may be slain and asgard is in danger. in a comic he doesn't always use it, but forum fights are different. for this fight--if he felt he needed it, he could and would use it. does he NEED it for this fight? no, i don't think so. but if he did, it would be available and a viable tactic.

Originally posted by leonidas
the same set of corcumstances being that he may be slain and asgard is in danger. in a comic he doesn't always use it, but forum fights are different. for this fight--if he felt he needed it, he could and would use it. does he NEED it for this fight? no, i don't think so. but if he did, it would be available and a viable tactic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, no, no only when he can't get to the threat because of a far distance. It was explained all right on panel so in these circumstances I agree he uses the time stop otherwise he doesn't. He's never used it against one foe on the same battlefield but if you can prove me wrong post it.

it's already been shown. you're carrying the usefulness of the spell to an illogical extent. i've never seen odin bake a pie, but i'm pretty sure he could. in this case i've seen him use the spell IN BATTLE. you keep somehow implying he was fighting loki--he was battling the DESTROYER. the only way to stop him was to stop time so he could get loki--but the battle--his FOE--was destroyer.

to say he would only use the spell to win if someone was 'far away' is placing an illogical limit on the spell. cast in battle, on a foe directly in front of him. i really don't see how you're arguing the point.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's already been shown. you're carrying the usefulness of the spell to an illogical extent. i've never seen odin bake a pie, but i'm pretty sure he could. in this case i've seen him use the spell IN BATTLE. you keep somehow implying he was fighting loki--he was battling the DESTROYER. the only way to stop him was to stop time so he could get loki--but the battle--his FOE--was destroyer.

to say he would only use the spell to win if someone was 'far away' is placing an illogical limit on the spell. cast in battle, on a foe directly in front of him. i really don't see how you're arguing the point.

The tactic gets used just like it did in the scan and he'd lost on panel before without doing this it's always been a far cry and I used the context of the scene you ignored it.

you seem to not even SEE the destroyer. how many times will you ignore that he was fighting THE DESTROYER. NOT LOKI. on top of that, you're pigeon-holing a feat that was--i'll say it again--OK'D BY A MOD. you sit and say you're not going against the mod, and yet--

--pr declares it IS legal and viable for THIS battle
--quanch says NO IT ISN'T! it is ONLY viable in that SINGULAR CONTEXT that was shown.

and then you say you're NOT going against a nod's decision?? 😑 have you been listening to yourself?

doesn't matter that odin SHOWED THE SPELL IN BATTLE. according to you he is limited STRICTLY to that SPECIFIC context. so hulk can only shockwave against those specific people we've seen him do it against? supes can ONLY use speed against those he was SHOWN to use it against? makes sense.

and the ultimate irony--you say you're not feat-based in your debating! yet, you're unwilling to acknowledge as usual that this feat could easily and logically be performed in the middle of any battle where odin or asgard is in deadly danger.

sigh.

Punch through time superdur

Odin shouldnt have a hard time.

Originally posted by leonidas
you seem to not even SEE the destroyer. how many times will you ignore that he was fighting THE DESTROYER. NOT LOKI. on top of that, you're pigeon-holing a feat that was--i'll say it again--OK'D BY A MOD. you sit and say you're not going against the mod, and yet--

--pr declares it IS legal and viable for THIS battle
--quanch says NO IT ISN'T! it is ONLY viable in that SINGULAR CONTEXT that was shown.

and then you say you're NOT going against a nod's decision?? 😑 have you been listening to yourself?

doesn't matter that odin SHOWED THE SPELL IN BATTLE. according to you he is limited STRICTLY to that SPECIFIC context. so hulk can only shockwave against those specific people we've seen him do it against? supes can ONLY use speed against those he was SHOWN to use it against? makes sense.

and the ultimate irony--you say you're not feat-based in your debating! yet, you're unwilling to acknowledge as usual that this feat could easily and logically be performed in the middle of any battle where odin or asgard is in deadly danger.

sigh.

Loki was inhabiting the destroyer. There was no way for Odin to defeat the destroyer without finding Loki's whereabouts.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_ann2-27.jpg

Balder then came in as he located Loki and this is when Odin momentarily froze time to send something like a beam of forgetfulness to Loki so the destroyer fell harmlessly to the ground.

All right on panel. Loki was his threat and since he wasn't there he froze time to get to Loki because without attacking who was animating the armor Odin was done for in this comic.

I have never argued that Odin can only use these powers against said Loki I only mean to say only in these types of circumstances would he ever do so.

It's not in character for Odin to timefreeze while battling someone directly in front of him. Loki was safely away from Odin lost until Balder located him and then Odin acted quickly and attacked the source Loki.

Context. 🙂

It is a viable tactic in these circumstances but to say otherwise is to ignore all 99 percent of his other battle feats and ignore the context of why he even did so in this scene.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow you really don't comprehend what you read at all.

Loki was inhabiting the destroyer. There was no way for Odin to defeat the destroyer without finding Loki's whereabouts.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_ann2-27.jpg

Balder then came in as he located Loki and this is when Odin momentarily froze time to send something like a beam of forgetfulness to Loki so the destroyer fell harmlessly to the ground.

All right on panel. Loki was his threat and since he wasn't there he froze time to get to Loki because without attacking who was animating the armor Odin was done for in this comic.

I have never argued that Odin can only use these powers against said Loki I only mean to say only in these types of circumstances would he ever do so.

It's not in character for Odin to timefreeze while battling someone directly in front of him. Loki was safely away from Odin lost until Balder located him and then Odin acted quickly and attacked the source Loki.

Context. 🙂

It is a viable tactic in these circumstances but to say otherwise is to ignore all 99 percent of his other battle feats and ignore the context of why he even did so in this scene.

so.... why did odin freeze time? because his life was threatened. he WAS in a battle. if loki was close, he wouldn't have needed to freeze time. and?? that in no way proves he wouldn't do so were his life threatened in some other manner! what you're saying is, that instead of using a power that he has shown, has used ON PANEL, in battle, he would let himself die unless his opponent were... far away??? THIS IS NOT A COMICBOOK FIGHT. in a comic, you MAY be right. you are utterly wrong in this forum-style battle where these types of one-time use powers ARE legal and fairgame. you think in a forum, odin would let himself and all of asgard die before using timestop? is that what you're saying??

ludicrous. and moot apparently since you've already admitted he could do it:

It is a viable tactic in these circumstances

glad we finally agree on something.

Originally posted by leonidas
so.... why did odin freeze time? because his life was threatened. he WAS in a battle. if loki was close, he wouldn't have needed to freeze time. and?? that in no way proves he wouldn't do so were his life threatened in some other manner! what you're saying is, that instead of using a power that he has shown, has used ON PANEL, in battle, he would let himself die unless his opponent were... far away??? THIS IS NOT A COMICBOOK FIGHT. in a comic, you MAY be right. you are utterly wrong in this forum-style battle where these types of one-time use powers ARE legal and fairgame. you think in a forum, odin would let himself and all of asgard die before using timestop? is that what you're saying??

ludicrous. and moot apparently since you've already admitted he could do it:

glad we finally agree on something.

I am right as this is the only time he's ever done so and he's died before on panel in combat. he's been defeated on panel in combat.

In these circumstances with his opponent safely out of harm's way Odin does so.

I agree in these unique circumstances he does so. I was right the first time I read the scan. I am good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We've seen Odin die before the only reason he did so here was because Loki wasn't on the battefield. Loki cheats like he always does so Odin countered with his powers. Loki knew being lost to him that Odin couldn't beat him but he also had Balder's aid to locate him.

I am right as this is the only time he's ever done so and he's died before on panel in combat. he's been defeated on panel in combat.

In these circumstances with his opponent safely out of harm's way Odin does so.

I agree in these unique circumstances he does so. I was right the first time I read the scan. I am good.

and..... there you go again.

he died where....? IN A BOOK. he was beaten where...? IN A BOOK. we've seen galactus die as well. it happens.... IN BOOKS. why? because a book needs a story. if odin just stopped time every time a threat came up, it wouldn't be much of a story. this is like, the first law of the forum, so why do you need it explained to you?

there IS no story here. he has a power, he can use a power if it has been demonstrated as this one has, in a battle.

anyway, it took some time, but hey, at least you came around in the end.

Originally posted by leonidas
and..... there you go again.

he died where....? IN A BOOK. he was beaten where...? IN A BOOK. we've seen galactus die as well. it happens.... IN BOOKS. why? because a book needs a story. if odin just stopped time every time a threat came up, it wouldn't be much of a story. this is like, the first law of the forum, so why do you need it explained to you?

there IS no story here. he has a power, he can use a power if it has been demonstrated as this one has, in a battle.

anyway, it took some time, but hey, at least you came around in the end.

It's not in character for Odin to just freeze time in battle this isn't cbr where we just take their powers and have them go at it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In character he only do so in these circumstances since he didn't have access to his enemy and needed to stop time.

The tactic gets used just like it did in the scan and he'd lost on panel before without doing this it's always been a far cry and I used the context of the scene you ignored it.

Not according to my uncle.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Not according to my uncle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he demonstrated this power once to get to Loki who was outside his influence until he found out his location.

It's not in character for Odin to just freeze time in battle this isn't cbr where we just take their powers and have them go at it.

he stopped time to stop the destroyer from killing him. why are you making it so hard? it's apparently out of character to display a power he's used in battle to save his life. okey-dokey.

anyway, you've already said the power is fine, so my job is done.

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Originally posted by leonidas
he stopped time to stop the destroyer from killing him. why are you making it so hard? it's apparently out of character to display a power he's used in battle to save his life. okey-dokey.

anyway, you've already said the power is fine, so my job is done.