Originally posted by leonidasI just wanted to say what does stopping time do to a character who can move faster than time. Last I checked breaking dimension barrier was above time barrier in DC and SBP certainly broke it as well as having various supermen doing time alterations through physical force.
i like how it has been shown on panel, is a clear part of his powerset and yet you say it's out of character for him. you DO know forum rules, right? this is odin fighting for the survival of asgard, willing AND ABLE BY FORUM RULES to use any powers (even his most exotic powers) he has demonstrated on panel. this isn't a comic. he has the power. has shown it. would use it if he had to. it's not even malicious. THAT might be out of character.pr? bada? so this doesn't drag--is a time stop a viable option for odin here?
Originally posted by Uriel005
I just wanted to say what does stopping time do to a character who can move faster than time. Last I checked breaking dimension barrier was above time barrier in DC and SBP certainly broke it as well as having various supermen doing time alterations through physical force.
the operative word there is MOVE. if he's frozen he won't BE moving. as far the dimensions--again, he was free to move and pound away for as long as he wanted. if he was able to so easily freeze a character as high level as the destroyer, imo it would hold superboy--for a time at least. even superman 1M needed to be able to move to punch through time. i'd entertain the argument that prime could physically break free of the spell, but i don't think he could do so immediately and i doubt strongly that yat could do so.
if you're saying prime just blitzes odin before he can even cast the spell, that's different. odin has other methods of dealing with him. timestop was only one option that i think would hold them both for a 'time'.
Originally posted by leonidasOh no I just meant that he would eventually overcome through physical force as his ability to go through abstract/nonphysical barriers with physical force is just absurd.
the operative word there is MOVE. if he's frozen he won't BE moving. as far the dimensions--again, he was free to move and pound away for as long as he wanted. if he was able to so easily freeze a character as high level as the destroyer, imo it would hold superboy--for a time at least. even superman 1M needed to be able to move to punch through time. i'd entertain the argument that prime could physically break free of the spell, but i don't think he could do so immediately and i doubt strongly that yat could do so.if you're saying prime just blitzes odin before he can even cast the spell, that's different. odin has other methods of dealing with him. timestop was only one option that i think would hold them both for a 'time'.
Originally posted by shokosugiSo no evidence at all just powers vs. powers. That makes this a curbsided stomp in Odin's favor based on the time stop which I don't feel he uses unless you want to debate the powerset argument which hurts your side more than anything.
When he fights this old fart he will. 😮💨
Originally posted by quanchi112Forum Fight rules says both sides use their powers at full potential. Speed blitz faster than thought would be faster than Odin time stop... Also Prime being Prime would just to spite Odin physically break out of a time lock and smack him just as his WTF face comes on. Also Odin is magic based confirmed. Odinforce is a "mystical" source of power. Also Odin destruction tends to come through magic and I don't think he's on par with a future Mordru which prime has tanked laughed at and forced to submit. BUt energy drain would still make Odin the winner. Take it away and I'd be interested to see how an in comic fight would go.
So no evidence at all just powers vs. powers. That makes this a curbsided stomp in Odin's favor based on the time stop which I don't feel he uses unless you want to debate the powerset argument which hurts your side more than anything.
Originally posted by Uriel005Prime has never blitzed anyone so it isn't in character just like it isn't in character for Odin to immediately time stop. But even if I allow Prime to blitz it still doesn't beat Odin so he still freezes him in time. I mean Prime wasn't even koing flashes when he was fighting back yet suddenly he takes out Odin.
Forum Fight rules says both sides use their powers at full potential. Speed blitz faster than thought would be faster than Odin time stop... Also Prime being Prime would just to spite Odin physically break out of a time lock and smack him just as his WTF face comes on. Also Odin is magic based confirmed. Odinforce is a "mystical" source of power. Also Odin destruction tends to come through magic and I don't think he's on par with a future Mordru which prime has tanked laughed at and forced to submit. BUt energy drain would still make Odin the winner. Take it away and I'd be interested to see how an in comic fight would go.
Odin also has divine power not just magical alone. he can also grow in size and wreck galaxies. This isn't close at all if we go by powersets alone. Timefreeze.
Mordru hit him with a blast or two and we saw Superboy scar him for life so please don't just focus on one thing from the story and purposely ignore the rest. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112... Just because in comics Prime doesn't do it doesn't mean he doesn't in forum. read the rules please. Fighting with everything at a characters disposal is within stips. Also Tanking future Mordru blasts as well as Black Adam is enough for me to say that a normal supermans magic weakness is a non factor in this fight. So most of Odin's most destructive feats are gone essentially removed from the table bar environmental effects and that still won't do much when SBP punches through the planet Odin tosses at him. So anyways continue with quan logic. I'll figure it out eventually.
Prime has never blitzed anyone so it isn't in character just like it isn't in character for Odin to immediately time stop. But even if I allow Prime to blitz it still doesn't beat Odin so he still freezes him in time. I mean Prime wasn't even koing flashes when he was fighting back yet suddenly he takes out Odin.Odin also has divine power not just magical alone. he can also grow in size and wreck galaxies. This isn't close at all if we go by powersets alone. Timefreeze.
Mordru hit him with a blast or two and we saw Superboy scar him for life so please don't just focus on one thing from the story and purposely ignore the rest. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime has never blitzed anyone so it isn't in character just like it isn't in character for Odin to immediately time stop. But even if I allow Prime to blitz it still doesn't beat Odin so he still freezes him in time. I mean Prime wasn't even koing flashes when he was fighting back yet suddenly he takes out Odin.Odin also has divine power not just magical alone. he can also grow in size and wreck galaxies. This isn't close at all if we go by powersets alone. Timefreeze.
Mordru hit him with a blast or two and we saw Superboy scar him for life so please don't just focus on one thing from the story and purposely ignore the rest. 🙂
Prime has blitzed Flashes and Koed them. I'll post the scans if you'd like.
Also, your words:
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesn't kill this puts him at a huge disadvantage here. Odin doesn't typically blow up galaxies either. It works both ways.
From this thread. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=419446&pagenumber=2
Either way, galaxy busting is irrelevant in this situation. Superboy-prime has been Koed once that I can recall. When a universe was destroyed, he then drifted through time and got slung into the future and woke up, killed some farmers, had a history lesson and then gratified a prison planet with hv and freed the prisoners.