Originally posted by dadudemon
Why?Why would Pan have power that high? I don't remember her doing anything extraordinary in GT. She was around what I would consider Raditz level.
Being the child of someone of higher power gives the child high power for some reason, just as Trunks and Goten started out so strong.
She did clobber General Rilldo pretty good once, and he was a fairly strong villain that Goku and Trunks had to take seriously.
Pan would stomp Raditz with both arms tied behind her back.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh come on. Bardock had power a bit over 10000. Any DBGT villain would cream a saiyan with that power. Broly had that power as a newborn. Comparing Pan to Radditz, with only 1,200, is silly.
It's silly to think that Pan is even remotely over 10,000. And, in fact, after looking over some of the thigns she's done, I'm fairly sure, now, that pan is between 1000-5000.
Morons that say stupid things like 1,000,000 and 15,000,000 are just that: morons.
Bardock would destroy Pan: there is no contest.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's silly to think that Pan is even remotely over 10,000. And, in fact, after looking over some of the thigns she's done, I'm fairly sure, now, that pan is between 1000-5000.
Pan was able to be effective against a villain who was able to give Goku and Trunks a fight (non-super mode, but still, those two would be in the millions).
If someone attacks someone of sufficiently different power level, nothing happens, which has been demonstrated many times.
Pan also was effective against several of the Shenron.
If Pan is strong enough effective against foes Goku (even base-form Goku) doesn't insta-stomp, she's over 10k.
And, in general, half-saiyans tend to start out with a lot of power, so it makes sense.
Bardock would destroy Pan: there is no contest.
Other way around.
Conversely, what makes you think that she's weak? You've insulted people who don't agree with you, but that's not an argument.
Just picturing badass Bardock getting rocked by that..thing that calls itself a Saiyan makes me sick 😘...So therefore I cleansed my mind by picturing Pan meeting Bardock all "So you're my Great Grandpa ^_^?!" and Bardock smiles and gently pokes her on the forehead all "😄...You're already dead 😐.." and Pan explodes into a grotesque mess 😄
as for the thread idk...Pan did have a decent run at times in GT but Bardocks badassery is on a whole other level and makes it so I can't bring myself to accept him being defeated xD..
That's really a problem with DB's escalating power levels in general.
Can you honestly picture some of the minor Z villains beating someone as badass as King Piccolo or other cool DB characters?
But they're from Z, he's from original, so they're almost assuredly stronger.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But wasn't she born in DBZ, making her not fully a GT character? 😮
Yep, even did some fighting (against mundane foes).
now as much I like Bardock and as much as I definitely don't like Pan, I have to agree that while Bardock is badass while Pan isn't, Pan does have her share of feats that place her higher than what some say. hell, at the end of DBZ she flew around the world in... well, I can't remember how many hours it took, but considering her age at the time, it's certainly impressive.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's silly to think that Pan is even remotely over 10,000. And, in fact, after looking over some of the thigns she's done, I'm fairly sure, now, that pan is between 1000-5000.Morons that say stupid things like 1,000,000 and 15,000,000 are just that: morons.
Bardock would destroy Pan: there is no contest.
Don't talk to me unless you want to have an actual debate.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait, you actually were serious?
Reasons why this post is more trolling:
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh, I get it. You're being sarcastic. Ha ha, soooo funny.Don't talk to me unless you want to have an actual debate.
Obviosly, you're making fun of me and are disregarding the contents of my post by sarcastically pretending that I'm joking.
Then I asked you not to talk about it if you are unable to troll.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't talk to me unless you can stop trolling.
Now you're pretending as if you really thought I was joking, despite the fact that your post was originally a joke about how silly my post was.
Nice try.
I guess you did not remember only a couple of posts back?
Of course, you will pretend that your post was serious and you actually got a laugh out of my post, thinking I was joking. That doens't add up either because of this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why?Why would Pan have power that high? I don't remember her doing anything extraordinary in GT. She was around what I would consider Raditz level.
To which you replied:
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh come on. Bardock had power a bit over 10000. Any DBGT villain would cream a saiyan with that power. Broly had that power as a newborn. Comparing Pan to Radditz, with only 1,200, is silly.
So, obviously, I wasn't joking and, obviously, you acknowledged that fact.
So, please, no more trolling and bait comments. I'm not your enemy. Get off me.
Originally posted by Q99
Pan was able to be effective against a villain who was able to give Goku and Trunks a fight (non-super mode, but still, those two would be in the millions).
"Effective" is grossly over-estimating her actual role in what occured. More like a slight annoyance. She was far less of a slight annoyance than SSJ Trunks and Goten were to Fat Majin Buu when Trunks kicked Buu through several cliffs.
Originally posted by Q99
If someone attacks someone of sufficiently different power level, nothing happens, which has been demonstrated many times.).
Incorrect per my previous example. That is inconsistant.
Originally posted by Q99
Pan also was effective against several of the Shenron.
Substaniate your claims.
So was SSJ4 Goku, yet, SSJ4 Goku had immense difficulty in uprighting a falling building.
All I see is Pan doing things in a power range definitely lower than 5000.
Originally posted by Q99
If Pan is strong enough effective against foes Goku (even base-form Goku) doesn't insta-stomp, she's over 10k.
Illogical.
Goku should have killed many of his oppoents, insta-stop, but he didn't and doesn't.
And that's an illogical jump in a power-level assessment, as is most of GT.
Furthermore, we NEVER see Pan go into a "blinding" fight where we only see those sparks and "bang" sounds as she fights too fast for us to see, like we see with just about every single fight in Z.
Additionally, she never exchanged blows to an extent that the shockwaves, alone, were causing breaks in the ground and cliffs around her. That's getting into the 1,000,000 range.
Additionally, when she clashes, we do not see the entire landscape around her and her enemy start to be completely destroyed in a maelstrom of destruction, like we saw what happened when first time SSJ Goku clashed with Frieza.
So, she's barely above 1000, if that, based on more consistant feats the the garbage GT has to offer.
Originally posted by Q99
And, in general, half-saiyans tend to start out with a lot of power, so it makes sense.
Incorrect.
That only example we have is of Gohan but he is the "most" special of all the characters in that he had the most hidden potential.
Goten fought evenly with Chi-Chi who is by-far, not a remarkable fighter compared to the Z-Warriors. Goten overpowered his mother, easily, once he went super-saiyan, but the fact that he wasn't punching through or or launching her many miles with single punches, should more than prove that the Chibi versions of super-saiyans are no where near Goku's initial SSJ transformation.
Originally posted by Q99
Other way around.Conversely, what makes you think that she's weak? You've insulted people who don't agree with you, but that's not an argument.
No, I was correct with my original assessment.
A power-level of less than 5000 is NOT weak.
I insulted NO ONE.
Pay attention to what I'm about to show you:
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh come on. Bardock had power a bit over 10000. Any DBGT villain would cream a saiyan with that power. Broly had that power as a newborn. Comparing Pan to Radditz, with only 1,200, is silly.
QUOTE=13177672]Originally posted by dadudemon
It's silly to think that Pan is even remotely over 10,000. And, in fact, after looking over some of the thigns she's done, I'm fairly sure, now, that pan is between 1000-5000.
Morons that say stupid things like 1,000,000 and 15,000,000 are just that: morons.
Bardock would destroy Pan: there is no contest. [/QUOTE]
Now, if you think that saying "morons" in anyway references ANYONE in this thread, please post proof that ANYONE in this thread has ever stated that Pan's power level is 1,000,000-15,000,000.
Becase you will not find any posts like that in this thread, you can only come to one single conclusion: that reference was not about ANYONE in this thread. If it wasn't about anyone in this thread, what was it about?
Obviously, morons on the internet that make absurd claims with things such as: "Pan's power level is at least 15,000,000." That's very moronic because she doesn't exhibit any power even remotely close to 1,000,000, much less 15,000,000.
From her feats, she's definitely less than 5000, but probably closer to 2000.
Reasons why this post is more trolling:
Your post just now is the *first* where you've actually provided a reason. Thinking you're joking, or heck, trolling yourself, is hardly odd.
"Effective" is grossly over-estimating her actual role in what occured. More like a slight annoyance. She was far less of a slight annoyance than SSJ Trunks and Goten were to Fat Majin Buu when Trunks kicked Buu through several cliffs.
Sure, it was an annoyance, but the General had a "hah, I'll totally ignore this one" smirk before it connected. This is someone who was expecting to tank and ignore the blow.
Also, Trunks couldn't have done that to Buu if he was a few thousand, your example is a super saiyan with a power in the millions.
Substaniate your claims.
Against Oceanus Shenron, who was able to go against Kid Goku (base form) head on pretty well, her kamehameha was what won the fight, causing major pain and making Oceanus revert to her true form allowing Goku to finish the job.
Or for 'effective,' how about able to hold Dr. Gero in his android body? We know that body is far stronger than Yamcha, who was easily into the 10ks when he fought Gero.
Additionally, she never exchanged blows to an extent that the shockwaves, alone, were causing breaks in the ground and cliffs around her. That's getting into the 1,000,000 range.
Ok, there's a lot of room between 1,000 and 1,000,000. What's your point?
Incorrect.That only example we have is of Gohan but he is the "most" special of all the characters in that he had the most hidden potential.
And Goten and Trunks. Three examples, and those two got more power younger than Gohan did.
Incorrect per my previous example. That is inconsistant.
As a general rule of thumb it is the case though.
Furthermore, we NEVER see Pan go into a "blinding" fight where we only see those sparks and "bang" sounds as she fights too fast for us to see, like we see with just about every single fight in Z.
No, but she rarely runs into someone her own level- she does show very high speed occasion (like when she saved a kid from a deflected Kamehameha during the Oceanus Shenron fight), and was much too fast for Haze Shenron to do squat about, for example.
Additionally, when she clashes, we do not see the entire landscape around her and her enemy start to be completely destroyed in a maelstrom of destruction, like we saw what happened when first time SSJ Goku clashed with Frieza.So, she's barely above 1000, if that, based on more consistant feats the the garbage GT has to offer.
No. You're providing examples on why she's not in the millions. This does not make her down near 1k, which is what you're claiming.
Proving one thing does not prove another, and there's a huge gap between millions and your sub-10k claim that you're excluding. It's a strawman to attack high-end claims and say that proves very low-end ones.
A power-level of less than 5000 is NOT weak.
I didn't say it was. It's not what she has, though.
I insulted NO ONE.
Your tone is definitely hostile and a half.
From her feats, she's definitely less than 5000, but probably closer to 2000.
Her highest feats are far in excess of 5k.
The Dr. Gero feat's probably the most clear, but her fights against Oceanus and Haze Shenron and General Rilldo also put her as much higher.