Pan vs Bardock

Originally posted by Bentley
Prove Piccolo didn't become weaker just because!

That's work if I were saying that Piccolo was just as strong as his old self after having died and gone to hell.

Originally posted by Bentley
You realize there is no reason to assume he became weaker, he even exploded and we saw android pieces, where would he get a mechanical body that's actually weaker than it was and why? It makes no sense to assume otherwise.

That's simple: he made himself back into an android while in hell but was obviously far weaker. We know for a fact that "androids" of sorts turn completely into flesh so he obviously modded himself after he went to hell.

We know that a person who is much stronger than you are can be held in place by a far weaker oponenent.

Radditz is around 1200 and when Goku fought him, he was around 416. Goku held him in place and there was nothing Radditz could do about it.

Radditz was about 3 times higher in power.

There's also the issue of Dr. Gero POSSIBLY being physically weaker than an organic being of equal power-output. Being able to blow shit up and being able to lift shit up is not the same thing, especially in the Dragonball universe. There is a correlation but they are not equally progressive.

So we could argue that Dr. Gero is very weak, even compared to a power level of 1000 rated quarter Saiyan. 🙂

But, if I forgot, you guys could show me some showings from that version of Dr. Gero and it would make me change my mind ( a little). What are Gero's showings?

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Android 17 died with Cell correct? He was revived as an android, not a normal human. It was apparently out of Shenrons power to change him into a full human. In fact, this happens 3 times total in DBZ. 3 times of this occurring more than covers for the one instance where Frieza did not keep his Mecha body. So, everything indicates that Gero should still be an android and should still be as strong as he was when he pummeled Yamcha into the ground like a bug. Yamcha> Bardock.

Originally posted by dadudemon

There's also the issue of Dr. Gero POSSIBLY being physically weaker than an organic being of equal power-output. Being able to blow shit up and being able to lift shit up is not the same thing, especially in the Dragonball universe. There is a correlation but they are not equally progressive.

Yea, he shoved his arm through Yamcha's chest. Physically. Most of his feats were physical.

Even if his physical power is less than his total power, his total power was in the millions. That puts his physical power at obviously not remotely near 1k.

As for making himself an android in hell, one, that's pure speculation, 17 and 18 both remained Androids when resurrected as did 20 (who even though he wasn't with Gero and Myuu came back as an android as well), and two, he made Hellfighter 17 in Hell, at least equal to the original, stronger than a Super Saiyan, so his lab in Hell was excellent too.

So based on this lack of evidence, you conclude he went from a body in the millions to a body at sub-1k.

You are talking very loose, unsupported reasons for claiming characters are less powerful, then trying to say this supports your exact pulled-totally-out-of-thin-air numbers.

Millions might be a bit much.....Piccolo, while in the millions, was clearly more powerful than Gero, who had taken some of Piccolos own power. So millions might be a bit of a stretch.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Millions might be a bit much.....Piccolo, while in the millions, was clearly more powerful than Gero, who had taken some of Piccolos own power. So millions might be a bit of a stretch.

Yea, but Piccolo had to be close enough that a simple fusion with Kami booted him up all the way above normal SSJ1 (who are like 12-14 mil), and I don't think he more than doubled, so I'd judge him in the 5-8 mil range.

Well, hard to tell precisely in the post-scouter era.

Well regardless, Gero is strong enough to smack Yamcha around. Who in turn beat Recoome, who would laughably destroy Bardock.

So Pan should win.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
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Android 17 died with Cell correct? He was revived as an android, not a normal human. It was apparently out of Shenrons power to change him into a full human. In fact, this happens 3 times total in DBZ. 3 times of this occurring more than covers for the one instance where Frieza did not keep his Mecha body. So, everything indicates that Gero should still be an android and should still be as strong as he was when he pummeled Yamcha into the ground like a bug. Yamcha> Bardock.

Dragonball restoration and afterlife resurrection are not the same thing nor are they equal.

We know for a fact that, at least for the good guys, the immortal body had much more energy output. (But that appears to only be true for immortal good guys) That's not the same as restoring a mortal body back to it's original self.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dragonball restoration and afterlife resurrection are not the same thing nor are they equal.

We know for a fact that, at least for the good guys, the immortal body had much more energy output. (But that appears to only be true for immortal good guys) That's not the same as restoring a mortal body back to it's original self.

So what you're saying is, Androids 17 and 18 died, were human in the afterlife, and then brought back as Androids by Shenron for some unexplained reason?

Because you'd have to be saying something along those lines for it to make any sense. And even then, you're ignoring simple logic. Gero was shown to be an an Android when he died correct? This indicates that he was an android in Hell while he was there. It's supported by ever other android being brought back to life as an android.

Frieza is the only inconsistent variable here. And that can be explained with logic as well. He wasn't really an android, just took robot parts to compensate for his missing limbs. Gero obviously did not do the same for him or the other androids because they can pass for people, the inside of them being quite mechanical, given how they could self destruct and such. Different science at work.

Edit: Even if you could prove that the androids are human in the afterlife, it still wouldn't explain just why Gero turned himself part android. Why? What could he gain from being part android in Hell? Why would he change himself to android form if he was creating the ultimate super andoird? It gives him nothing. Especially if he were to make himself a weaker android than before.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's work if I were saying that Piccolo was just as strong as his old self after having died and gone to hell.

That's simple: he made himself back into an android while in hell but was obviously far weaker. We know for a fact that "androids" of sorts turn completely into flesh so he obviously modded himself after he went to hell.

We know that a person who is much stronger than you are can be held in place by a far weaker oponenent.

Radditz is around 1200 and when Goku fought him, he was around 416. Goku held him in place and there was nothing Radditz could do about it.

Radditz was about 3 times higher in power.

There's also the issue of Dr. Gero POSSIBLY being physically weaker than an organic being of equal power-output. Being able to blow shit up and being able to lift shit up is not the same thing, especially in the Dragonball universe. There is a correlation but they are not equally progressive.

So we could argue that Dr. Gero is very weak, even compared to a power level of 1000 rated quarter Saiyan. 🙂

But, if I forgot, you guys could show me some showings from that version of Dr. Gero and it would make me change my mind ( a little). What are Gero's showings?

Ill like to make a correction to this post.

The only reason goku was able to hold raditz in place was due to the damage gohun did to raditz with that chest shot. If it wasn't for that (he even admits this while trying to break out of gokus grip)... he would have easily slapped goku out of the way.

Originally posted by carver9
Ill like to make a correction to this post.

The only reason goku was able to hold raditz in place was due to the damage gohun did to raditz with that chest shot. If it wasn't for that (he even admits this while trying to break out of gokus grip)... he would have easily slapped goku out of the way.

Incorrect. That's no where in any of the manga or anime.

Come on pan has to win! girls are tough!

Originally posted by SushiChan
Come on pan has to win! girls are tough!

😆

I loved that comment....I'm not sure why though.

Girls do not tend to be tough in DBZ. Pan does win though.