Green Lantern (Hal) & Martian Manhunter Vs. Quasar & Nova Prime

Originally posted by Philosophía
You think Quasar's reaction time is within 0.00000001 seconds because he said "he didn't give us a nanosecond's grace"?

I won't even point out that it's a gross idiocy if you've actually read up on the character, because this goes far beyond that.

At any rate, semantics aside I think that the point was that it was a damn fast reaction. Wouldn't you agree?

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How does Quasar stop GL and how does J'onn stop Nova??

let's see... Quasar is like Hal only linked to an inexhaustible power source. In addition he's one of the best energy manipulators/drainers in MU. Hal is more creative with his powers and will give Q a hard fight but I see him loosing in the end. Nova has all the tools to counter or beat MM but Jonn has tons more experience and I see his fighting spirit prevailing in that fight.

Originally posted by Warlord
let's see... Quasar is like Hal only linked to an inexhaustible power source.

No, he isn't. He doesn't have anywhere near the versatility that Hal Jordan does, and many more limitations. He's also not nearly as powerful on a raw scale, regularly getting shown up by top tier strength characters like gladiator, incapable of shield himself from even the photosphere of the sun, etc.

The whole point of Quasar was that he would be a more realistic take on the Green Lantern formula. More everyman, less fearless, and with more logical power restraints, vs the Green Lantern 'wishing ring'.

In addition he's one of the best energy manipulators/drainers in MU.

Within the electromagnetic spectrum, absolutely. Anyone outside of it, though, is essentially immune to his advances.

Hal is more creative with his powers and will give Q a hard fight but I see him loosing in the end.

Laughable, honestly, given their respective track records against top flight foes.

Nova has all the tools to counter or beat MM but Jonn has tons more experience and I see his fighting spirit prevailing in that fight.

Nova could potentially get a couple over MM, but he's significantly less powerful and less versatile than Martian Manhunter. It's hard to give him the fight on any grounds -- neither on paper nor based on their respective track records.

Originally posted by Desaad
Nova could potentially get a couple over MM, but he's significantly less powerful and less versatile than Martian Manhunter. It's hard to give him the fight on any grounds -- neither on paper nor based on their respective track records.

It's the reality of his (lack of a) record against legitimate top tiers.

Originally posted by Warlord
let's see... Quasar is like Hal only linked to an inexhaustible power source. In addition he's one of the best energy manipulators/drainers in MU. Hal is more creative with his powers and will give Q a hard fight but I see him loosing in the end. Nova has all the tools to counter or beat MM but Jonn has tons more experience and I see his fighting spirit prevailing in that fight.

Originally posted by dmills
You see his fighting spirit prevailing over Dick freakin Rider?! Coming from anyone else I'd lol, but for you to say that I have to look at it seriously seeing as though you're very familiar with Nova. You really think so?

ah well I'm a huge MM fan reading him since the first JLA book. He's the body and soul of the league. he can pull it through when he needs to 🙄

Originally posted by Desaad
It's the reality of his (lack of a) record against legitimate top tiers.

Originally posted by Warlord
ah well I'm a huge MM fan reading him since the first JLA book. He's the body and soul of the league. he can pull it through when he needs to 🙄

Originally posted by dmills
That's fine. Nova puts him in a gravity node -which traps intangible beings- and compresses it to the size of a thumb tack.

Not going to work. MM doesnt do density style intangibility. He shifts his mass to another dimension.

And I still have trouble seeing Nova, physically, being on Superman (MM) level.

Originally posted by dmills
Ah, but you said he's "significantly less powerful and less versatile." If you're arguing lack of record I get that. I don't necessarily agree, but I get it. The whole "underdog average kid from Jersey" shtik that writers feel they have to forever pin on the character. But if you know the character then you know how much power he really has. Especially in a pis free forum.

His battle power and versatility are demonstrated via his track record.

And whatever you want to say about Nova in a "PIS" free forum goes about 5X for Martian Manhunter, who has every power under the sun.

Based on his showing against Xenith, though, who I view as Supergirl level, I don't see his raw power on anything resembling MM's, and his lack of versatility relative to one of the most infinitely adaptable heroes in any universe is self evident (and no sleight to Rich).

Originally posted by Philosophía
You think Quasar's reaction time is within 0.00000001 seconds because he said "he didn't give us a nanosecond's grace"?

I won't even point out that it's a gross idiocy if you've actually read up on the character, because this goes far beyond that.

Is this how you always are?? U get so worked up that easily from something so trivial?? Dont get ure panties in a bunch mr. Sensitive. If u dont have something nice to say dont add anything. Well anyways too bad for u, i didnt write it.. Sigh...

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Originally posted by Desaad
His battle power and versatility are demonstrated via his track record.

And whatever you want to say about Nova in a "PIS" free forum goes about 5X for Martian Manhunter, who has every power under the sun.

Based on his showing against Xenith, though, who I view as Supergirl level, I don't see his raw power on anything resembling MM's, and his lack of versatility relative to one of the most infinitely adaptable heroes in any universe is self evident (and no sleight to Rich).

The guy easily was oneshotting Annihilus's moon sized dreadships and oneshotted the planet sized flag ship which destroyed millions of the wave stationed near Xandar. His gravimetric pulse was detected from over 9 lightyears away. Iirc in a recent Hulk issue he had to hold back his best punch for fear of destroying everything for miles around. I could be mistaken about that though.

The energy siphoning suit and mental inhibitors are a plot device to keep the hero from being too powerful ala Super Nova.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not going to work. MM doesnt do density style intangibility. He shifts his mass to another dimension.

And I still have trouble seeing Nova, physically, being on Superman (MM) level.

Nova has trapped a being of pure psionic energy (though it eventually figured out how to escape) and has cut off magical transmission from another dimension with his grav nodes. Not sure if it'll work with what MM does, but gravity tends to complicate things quite a bit in comics lol.

I hear you on that. Nova is a class 100 who can amp and I'd put his durability and damage soak up there with any high herald.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not going to work. MM doesnt do density style intangibility. He shifts his mass to another dimension.

And I still have trouble seeing Nova, physically, being on Superman (MM) level.

yep, MM phasing works differently than say Shadowcat.

Originally posted by dmills
Iirc in a recent Hulk issue he had to hold back his best punch for fear of destroying everything for miles around. I could be mistaken about that though.

Your not mistaken, he was forced to hold back

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your not mistaken, he was forced to hold back

i cant remember off top EXACTLY how it went, but Nova and a couple Avengers were tasked with taking down Hulk & co, and I believe it was Tony who made him fall back because he didnt want him unleashing too much power IIRC.

Team 1 wins.