After watching the uncut version on Blu-ray, I'm still in 2 minds whether it was worth all the hype...
"Questions will be answered." was a good marketing ploy but at the end of the day, I really didn't have any lingering questions after seeing the 1st Alien movie.
I mean, a crashed space ship, a dead pilot & a cargo bay full of alien eggs was pretty much enough intrigue to start the franchise.
The Engineers weren't really that mystical or interesting enough to warrant an origins movie IMO.
'Cause he serves the company's experimental interests...?
A) Who said they invited us...? The cave painting were by man, not Engineers. The curiousity of man was what drove the expedition..
This could have been the mother of all assumptions on man's part.
B) If they did anyway it could have been that at the time (Way before the 2,000 year old change of mind/perspective on humanity) they may have intended man to follow the trail.. 'til we pissed them off with our murdering ways..
C) Maybe they figured that the infection/then returning home thing was the way forward.
D) Maybe the flying saucer dudes created us, and the Engineers*, who dont ride in flying saucers have a different and more malicious agenda to us. Again, it is assumed at this point that they created us. Who created THEM?
And doesn't 'engineer' imply sometimes someone responsible for upkeep/maintainance of something rather than creating it outright?
Esau..
Dude I don't think that the Prometheus movies are gonna be soully about engineers. It may feature them, but this is a more existentially intriguing concept than just one race of lifeforms... Its bigger than that...about life, the universe and everything... Too many are getting hung up on the creature feature element of it for their own good, I feel. Its like watching 2001 and coming away from it just fixating on an AI machine with a beady red eye.
* Another assumption perhaps on the part of man in the naming as engineers... they seem more like fvcker-uppers-of-life-forms with an agenda in bioweapons, rather than being about creation and only creation. Unless they serve both purposes... there are a lot of connotations that they could have.
And of course the difference in ships could be as simple as different periods of time/technology. The jets we fly today look different than the plane the Wright brothers flew, as we have no idea at which point in time that "sacrifice" scene took place on the Earth-like planet.
But it is curious that two very different ships were used and for two very different purposes.
Edit: Did the uncut version also have a longer fight scene between Shaw and the last Engineer? It seemed to me like it was.
You all must be VERY special to have gotten your hands on an uncut version because it doesnt exist. The blu-ray version is the same version from theaters. There are deleted scenes included, however.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthEsau..
Dude I don't think that the Prometheus movies are gonna be soully about engineers. It may feature them, but this is a more existentially intriguing concept than just one race of lifeforms... Its bigger than that...about life, the universe and everything... Too many are getting hung up on the creature feature element of it for their own good, I feel. Its like watching 2001 and coming away from it just fixating on an AI machine with a beady red eye.
Very well put, sir. I couldnt have said it better myself.
And yeah, i think it was Robtard who said something about the ships being different (sorry, posting from my phone and it's a pain in the arse): yeah, i've watched some of the making-of stuff and they said they were going for a more primitive shiip design. So i suppose that scene is millions of years earlier.
Here ya go, RT...this was the one.
Definitely seems to indicate more that Theron was the beautiful android sexiness.
'Cause if you're gonna make someone indistiguishable from human, the only way to do it would be to give her emotions, memories and all that good Blade Runner shit.
Originally posted by Patient_LeechVery well put, sir. I couldnt have said it better myself.
And yeah, i think it was Robtard who said something about the ships being different (sorry, posting from my phone and it's a pain in the arse): yeah, i've watched some of the making-of stuff and they said they were going for a more primitive shiip design. So i suppose that scene is millions of years earlier.
Why thank y'all.. thank y'all..! 😮💨
Or the spiritual/engineer class ships are less advanced than the attack bombers?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth* Another assumption perhaps on the part of man in the naming as engineers... they seem more like fvcker-uppers-of-life-forms with an agenda in bioweapons, rather than being about creation and only creation. Unless they serve both purposes... there are a lot of connotations that they could have. [/B]
I didn't bother with listening to the commentary on the blu- ray so I can easily be proven wrong...HOWEVER after the 2nd viewing, I got the impression that the Engineer in the beginning that sacrificed himself was actually DESTROYING life on the planet & not CREATING it.
I mean the black goo he drinks clearly poisons him, destroys his body & then spreads into the water corrupting & breaking down every living organism it touches. You see red cells forming but to me they're more like plague cells. Nothing in that opening sequence suggested life was being created but much the opposite. And then based on that opening & then the discovery of the cave paintings, everyone assumes the Engineers created life...if you recall there was nothing violent depicted in any of the paintings or murals.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthEsau..
Dude I don't think that the Prometheus movies are gonna be soully about engineers. It may feature them, but this is a more existentially intriguing concept than just one race of lifeforms... Its bigger than that...about life, the universe and everything... Too many are getting hung up on the creature feature element of it for their own good, I feel. Its like watching 2001 and coming away from it just fixating on an AI machine with a beady red eye.
I understand what you're saying...but as I mentioned too, I really didn't find the Engineers all that interesting (after a 2nd viewing) to care or want to know more about their concept or role in life, the universe & everything.
Fair play.
Well maybe its not the film universe for you then.. nothing wrong with that...each to their own and all that..
I was fascinated by them(and the ship more tbh) from the early eighties when I 1st saw Alien..couldn't wait to see more of them.
My comment still stands though, in relation to most. The amount of people still thinking that it was LV-426 that Ive talked to in IRL is shocking. The bay generation aren't used to not being spoonfed, and not being repeatedly hit over the head with something onscreen until it explodes in a 360 degree rotating shot accompanied by fart jokes it would seem.
(And some non-bay generation long term fans seemed confused to.) But kudos to Scott for not pandering to the "cater to the lowest denominator" crowd and going for something higher.
(And conversely, may AVP 1 and 2 'burnn in helllllllll".)