Originally posted by Patient_LeechWell, she was walking around the place like everyone else and noticed that something pretty devastating happened about 2,000 years ago (she suspects it was an outbreak), the decapitated Engineer head exploded after she revived it, she watched Holloway (her soulmate) die. I also think that she suspect that David knows more than he is sharing with everyone (since he is probably able to understand the language and engravings). At this point, she's pretty sure that human-Engineer relations are not as peaceful as they may have once been. And then she learns that the ship is packed to the brim with the black bacteria and was intended for earth. Badda-boom-badda-bing... conclusion: they don't seem to like us too much anymore. Then she desperately tries to inquire to the remaining Engineer, "Why do you hate us?" and "What did we do wrong?" Then the Engineer rips off David's head, beats Weyland to death with it and then proceeds to take out everyone else with ferocity and irritation at their mere presence.
Basically in short, she did some detective work. [/B]
But how can an outbreak, 2000 years ago on a planet not inhabited or visited by humans contribute the Engineers' malevolence to humanity?
The Engineer's decap head exploded because they were stimulating it too fast...how can this be connected to their hatred to humanity?
Shaw had no clue why or how her soulmate died. It could esaily be put down to his recklessness...he was afterall the first to take his helmet off. There was no connection or link that the Engineer's hatred ( towards humanity) was to blame.
Her suspicions of David was more towards not trusting Weyland's ulterior motives.
And lastly, the Engineers did not seem to understand the english language to address Shaw's pleas. Clearly what David said to them in their own language enraged them...not simply because he was "human".
Originally posted by Jedi Sheriff
^ That makes it sound like The Engineer disapproved of Weyland's creation and mankinds general attempts at playing God.
Not necessarily. Just at man's hubris at thinking that he deserves to live forever.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But how can an outbreak, 2000 years ago on a planet not inhabited or visited by humans contribute the Engineers' malevolence to humanity?
That's the speculation: the black goo is speculated to have some sort of psychokinetic connection to whomever is near it. I.E. we crucified the Space Christ, the Engineers got pissed off and the black goo fed off of the Engineer's pissed off psychic energy and went ape-shit. (Just a current theory.. like a lot of the film)
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
The Engineer's decap head exploded because they were stimulating it too fast...how can this be connected to their hatred to humanity?
I don't think it's because they were stimulating him too fast. The black goo that had infected him was reactivated when he was resurrected. Just like the Engineer at the beginning of the film.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Shaw had no clue why or how her soulmate died. It could esaily be put down to his recklessness...he was afterall the first to take his helmet off. There was no connection or link that the Engineer's hatred ( towards humanity) was to blame.Her suspicions of David was more towards not trusting Weyland's ulterior motives.
Nope: She knew David was avoiding something: David said: "you can take your helmet off if you like, sir. The air is perfectly breathable." Weyland: "Are you sure?" "Positive." Shaw: "Wait, We still don't know how Holloway got infected. If it's in the air." David: "It's not." Shaw: "How do you know that?" David: "[no answer]" Weyland: "Smells fine to me." David: "Shall we?"
She knew he had something to do with Holloway's infection at that moment.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
And lastly, the Engineers did not seem to understand the english language to address Shaw's pleas. Clearly what David said to them in their own language enraged them...not simply because he was "human".
Yeah, exactly. Because David said that Weyland wants more life. (And the Engineer at the beginning of the film was sacrificing himself to create more life.) And the Engineer clearly knew that it was "humans" asking him that question.
Leech, yeah in one way I'm playing Devil's Advocate but more to the point, I like to question more of what happens "behind the scenes", the process in creating the story, the editing (that can make or break a film). I'm interested in one man's vision & the sacrifices a director succumbs to getting his dream on to the big screen.
I'll reiterate that the making-of stuff on the 4-disc Blu-ray is f#cking awesome. Incredible seeing the process that it took to make the spectacular creations for this film. And then there's this...
Supposedly a Toys-R-Us exclusive. (Which is odd, considering that the other toys seemed to never show up at Toys-R-Us.)
Read the Prometheus Script Before Damon Lindelof Rewrote It
Finally saw it. Way over-rated. What a let down. I didn't even care to look for any answers ...
And then I lol'd when this happened.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/trivia?tab=gf&item=gf1711045
Plot holes Elizabeth Shaw is seen able to walk, run, jump and perform hard physical tasks soon after her 'Caesarean', with abdominal muscles and the wide cut in her belly stapled together crudely. As depicted in the movie, it isn't even a Caesarian Section as the machine isn't calibrated for females, and was classed as a 'foreign object removal'. Her muscle tissue hasn't been sealed, she essentially has limited abdominal muscle power, would be barely able to walk or stand upright, let alone the feats later in the movie of being able to run and jump. Whilst its true she injects herself, unless stated otherwise, its presumed to be painkillers, which still wouldn't enable unattached abdominal muscles to work properly.
Just dumb...might as well been an aliens movie
Originally posted by Kazenji
Read the Prometheus Script Before Damon Lindelof Rewrote It
Yeah, I downloaded a .pdf of it. I'll get around to reading it at some point. I have a feeling it's going to read pretty much like any other Alien movie, though, which is why a rewrite was brought in. My guess is that Ridley and the studio didn't want just another Alien movie.
Originally posted by CowardlyBlakMan
Finally saw it. Way over-rated. What a let down. I didn't even care to look for any answers ...And then I lol'd when this happened.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/trivia?tab=gf&item=gf1711045
Plot holes Elizabeth Shaw is seen able to walk, run, jump and perform hard physical tasks soon after her 'Caesarean', with abdominal muscles and the wide cut in her belly stapled together crudely. As depicted in the movie, it isn't even a Caesarian Section as the machine isn't calibrated for females, and was classed as a 'foreign object removal'. Her muscle tissue hasn't been sealed, she essentially has limited abdominal muscle power, would be barely able to walk or stand upright, let alone the feats later in the movie of being able to run and jump. Whilst its true she injects herself, unless stated otherwise, its presumed to be painkillers, which still wouldn't enable unattached abdominal muscles to work properly.
Just dumb...might as well been an aliens movie
that's not really a plot hole. well, maybe to someone who has never witnessed an actual caesarean. caesarean cuts are made right under the abdominal, slightly above the groin. women are able to walk after the procedure. i'm sure the pain killers and her adrenaline played a factor too.
she overwrote the machine before hopping in. the machine being calibrated for a male was a plot point.
sounds like you went into it expecting an aliens prequel, which it wasn't. ridley scott has said that the movie is not a prequel but just takes place in the same universe.
Originally posted by jedi90
that's not really a plot hole. well, maybe to someone who has never witnessed an actual caesarean. caesarean cuts are made right under the abdominal, slightly above the groin. women are able to walk after the procedure. i'm sure the pain killers and her adrenaline played a factor too.she overwrote the machine before hopping in. the machine being calibrated for a male was a plot point.
sounds like you went into it expecting an aliens prequel, which it wasn't. ridley scott has said that the movie is not a prequel but just takes place in the same universe.
Whether it was a chest-burster, or an alien being removed by caesarean, the blatant similarities are there as a nod to the Alien franchise. Regardless of Prometheus NOT being a prequel.
What bothered me more about that scene is Shaw programming for a "Foreign Object Removal" (Caesarean) & not an abortion...killing the creature in the process. I mean she conveniently forgets the creature's in the lab & left alive, fails to warn anyone about, then go on with a big speech about how it mustn't get back to earth...
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Whether it was a chest-burster, or an alien being removed by caesarean, the blatant similarities are there as a nod to the Alien franchise. Regardless of Prometheus NOT being a prequel.What bothered me more about that scene is Shaw programming for a "Foreign Object Removal" (Caesarean) & not an abortion...killing the creature in the process. I mean she conveniently forgets the creature's in the lab & left alive, fails to warn anyone about, then go on with a big speech about how it mustn't get back to earth...
i'm glad we all agree that Prometheus is not a prequel. moving on.
she wasn't entirely sure of their malevolent nature until she returned to the engineer's ship. plus, she contained the creature in the med pod and didn't know it would grow to the size it would. or maybe, just maybe she forgot......?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
And yes also...about 80% of the posters on this thread KNOW it wasn't a prequel.
I actually think it is a prequel. I know Ridley said it wasn't, but I think he was just trying to steer people away from that sort of interpretation, because it's not a prequel in the sense that it leads directly to when Alien picks up. There are supposed to be two more sequels and the 3rd one is supposed to bring it around to meet back up with Alien. Also, Prometheus requires a much different lens to interpret it than does Alien. Alien kind of laid everything out for you (aside from the mysterious Space Jockey/Engineer that we are finding out about now, of course), while Prometheus lays out a bit more of a puzzle that is a little more open to interpretation and that is clearly meant to bring more adventures (i.e. sequels)...
It is an Alien prequel. It occurs before Alien. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I've just started reading Jon Spaihts original script before Damon Lindelof got ahold of it. It's a bit more over the top (in budget for sure), and there are blatant similarities to 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's a good thing they changed it. 1) to keep the budget down a bit and 2) so it doesn't borrow from 2001 quite so much.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I actually think it is a prequel. I know Ridley said it wasn't, but I think he was just trying to steer people away from that sort of interpretation, because it's not a prequel in the sense that it leads directly to when Alien picks up. There are supposed to be two more sequels and the 3rd one is supposed to bring it around to meet back up with Alien. Also, Prometheus requires a much different lens to interpret it than does Alien. Alien kind of laid everything out for you (aside from the mysterious Space Jockey/Engineer that we are finding out about now, of course), while Prometheus lays out a bit more of a puzzle that is a little more open to interpretation and that is clearly meant to bring more adventures (i.e. sequels)...It is an Alien prequel. It occurs before Alien. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I've just started reading Jon Spaihts original script before Damon Lindelof got ahold of it. It's a bit more over the top (in budget for sure), and there are blatant similarities to 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's a good thing they changed it. 1) to keep the budget down a bit and 2) so it doesn't borrow from 2001 quite so much.
shared universe and characters does not automatically equal a prequel. so far, the story is unrelated to the original alien film.