Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't really by that, sorry. I see BT and Shang on the same level, tbh.
You don't buy that Cap is more skilled than Shang-Chi and Iron Fist? Shang-Chi's own rogue gallery said that Steve was more skilled and Steve told Danny to his face that he was more skilled.
Shang is more skilled than BT. He has more appearances that BT, Richard Dragon and Shiva combined and better feats to boot.
Bronze Tiger is essentially fighting himself... only a version who is slightly better in every way. Cap is stronger, faster, more durable, has better reflexes, a healing factor and infinte stamina. Tiger can't beat him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You haven't lied but you haven't made any points that need to be contested either. All you have said is that Bronze Tiger can beat Cap... and he can't.Since you apparently are having trouble fallowing logic and have no detective reasoning I'll make this easier on you. Who wins this hypothetical fight? Fighter A who is better than Fighter B in every conceivable way and never tires, or Fighter B? The answer is pretty f@cking clear..
Oh I made many points. But it'll take an reasonable mind to see them. And no you don't see it, because my case the entire thread was that it could go either way. Not one sided in favor of Steve. But I'll end this now.
My point in bringing up Ben's battle with Slade was to prove that he can engage in a protracted battle with an opponent with better stats all around and keep up. But let me guest Steve stats are better than Slade as well, right?🙄
Statements like "no human olympic or peak can hold his own against Cap in a fight due to his SSS attributes" is nonsense and wrong. If that is the case, why couldn't Steve hold his own against Taskmaster without his shield? And how could Taskmaster get the upper hand on Steve and Iron man at the same time?? What happened there?? Exactly.... With the SSS Steve should have taken down Tasky by him self, right?
No street leveler is unbeatable, end of story.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You don't buy that Cap is more skilled than Shang-Chi and Iron Fist? Shang-Chi's own rogue gallery said that Steve was more skilled and Steve told Danny to his face that he was more skilled.Shang is more skilled than BT. He has more appearances that BT, Richard Dragon and Shiva combined and better feats to boot.
Bronze Tiger is essentially fighting himself... only a version who is slightly better in every way. Cap is stronger, faster, more durable, has better reflexes, a healing factor and infinte stamina. Tiger can't beat him.
Have Cap and Shang ever clashed hth? Because all of those are just words. I don't really care if someone says something. Black Canary said White Canary was more skilled than Shiva. are we to believe that?
Originally posted by Supermutant
Bronze Tiger is skilled enough to get some wins. The problem with most DC's mmaers is that they don't get enough exposure or have feats. And they routinely have to job to the Bat family. See Lady Shiva
Batman has been popular for decades, yet BT has beaten him twice. PC, but still.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bronze Tiger is essentially fighting himself... only a version who is slightly better in every way. Cap is stronger, faster, more durable, has better reflexes, a healing factor and infinte stamina. Tiger can't beat him.
So why did Bronze Tiger have the upper hand against Slade and pinned him to the ground?? You have no argument.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he is considered one of the if not the best fighter in Marvel U, more skilled than several characters (Shang-Chi and Iron Fist) who themselves are more skilled than Tiger? Because he has been stated to have mastered every fighting style on panel? Because he has owned someone who had knowledge of every fighting style? Because Captain America was never owned by a pre-teen Batgirl or stalemated by Catman? Because Bronze Tiger's history is a convoluted mess, much of which isn't even canon any more?Pick the ones you'd like.
You talk out of your ass about things you're so wrong about it's not even funny. Steve is not THE BEST in Marvel. What, have we forgotten Wolverine? Who is more skilled than Steve. Even Marvel has Wolverine's fighting skills at 7. Steve is at 6.
And who do you think trained Batgirl? Bronze Tiger. And Catman didn't stalemate Bronze Tiger at all. Again you are completely wrong.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Oh I made many points. But it'll take an reasonable mind to see them. And no you don't see it, because my case the entire thread was that it could go either way. Not one sided in favor of Steve. But I'll end this now.My point in bringing up Ben's battle with Slade was to prove that he can engage in a protracted battle with an opponent with better stats all around and keep up. But let me guest Steve stats are better than Slade as well, right?🙄
Statements like "no human olympic or peak can hold his own against Cap in a fight due to his SSS attributes" is nonsense and wrong. If that is the case, why couldn't Steve hold his own against Taskmaster with his shield? And how could Taskmaster get the upper hand on Steve and Iron man at the same time?? What happened there?? Exactly.... With the SSS Steve should have taken down Tasky by him self, right?
No street leveler is unbeatable, end of story.
Yeah, um Cap does have better stats than Slade. Steve has the strength of 20 men / "Half a Platoon", has stopped a speeding car by grabbing the bumper as it sped past him, runs 60 mph while carrying a full grown man, sees bullets in slow motion and has tanked bullets even without his armor.
Slade has trouble with every street he fights, because isn't a very skilled combatant. You are using one of the examples people cite to show that undermine Slade, and trying to use it to boost Ben.
Cap has beat Taskmaster every single time they've fought, or Taskmaster has run away. In that instance you are referencing Tasky blocked Cap's shield, clocked him and ran away. Awesome? I've already said I've already said BT could hold his own more or less evenly for 3-5 minutes. How many fights do you think last longer than that in a comics, particularly with streets? Caps fights with other street level heroes are all brief skirmishes, and he still almost always has the advantage. If those fights played out until someone was koed Steve would pull further and further ahead the longer the fight lasted. Every fight Cap has had with a street is like the first two minutes of Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee in Way of the Dragon. Cap is Bruce Lee... only unlike Lee, Cap wins the fight in the first 2 minutes (instead of getting dominated like Lee) and never has the oppertunity to go crazy in the last three minutes because the fight never gets there.
Originally posted by Supermutant
Bronze Tiger is skilled enough to get some wins. The problem with most DC's mmaers is that they don't get enough exposure or have feats. And they routinely have to job to the Bat family. See Lady Shiva
Shiva doesn't job to no one or Bronze Tiger. And Ben can get the majority here.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
You talk out of your ass about things you're so wrong about it's not even funny. Steve is not THE BEST in Marvel. What, have we forgotten Wolverine? Who is more skilled than Steve. Even Marvel has Wolverine's fighting skills at 7. Steve is at 6.And who do you think trained Batgirl? Bronze Tiger. And Catman didn't stalemate Bronze Tiger at all. Again you are completely wrong.
Hand Book power levels? Really? Stop embarrassing yourself. Cap and Wolverine and equally skilled, the knife may fall towards Wolverine (he said he was more skilled, but maybe it was just bravado) or Cap, but any difference between the two would be inconsequential. I do of course fell obliged to note I said "one of the" most skilled fighters.
David Cain trained Batgirl, and she wrecked BT and the entire League of Assassins.
FYI. If both fighters pass out and are koed when the fight ends, then that is a stalemate.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah, um Cap [b]does have better stats than Slade. Steve has the strength of 20 men / "Half a Platoon", has stopped a speeding car by grabbing the bumper as it sped past him, runs 60 mph while carrying a full grown man, sees bullets in slow motion and has tanked bullets even without his armor.Slade has trouble with every street he fights, because isn't a very skilled combatant. You are using one of the examples people cite to show that undermine Slade, and trying to use it to boost Ben.
Cap has beat Taskmaster every single time they've fought, or Taskmaster has run away. In that instance you are referencing Tasky blocked Cap's shield, clocked him and ran away. Awesome? I've already said I've already said BT could hold his own more or less evenly for 3-5 minutes. How many fights do you think last longer than that in a comics, particularly with streets? Caps fights with other street level heroes are all brief skirmishes, and he still almost always has the advantage. If those fights played out until someone was koed Steve would pull further and further ahead the longer the fight lasted. Every fight Cap has had with a street is like the first two minutes of Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee in Way of the Dragon. Cap is Bruce Lee... only he wins the fight in the first 2 minutes (instead of getting dominated like Lee) and never has to go crazy in the last three minutes because the fight never gets there. [/B]
Is Something wrong with you? Slade is a meta-human. No Steve's stats are not better than Slade's. And what is this nonsense about Steve beating Tasky every time? So what now, Steve can't lose?? Bull sh#@..... You're just a fanboy. I'm not falling for any of your nonsense here. This fight can go either way. So stop wanking Steve.
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Originally posted by Marvelknight
Is Something wrong with you? Slade is a meta-human. No Steve's stats are not better than Slade's. And what is this nonsense about Steve beating Tasky every time? So what now, Steve can't lose?? Bull sh#@..... You're just a fanboy. I'm not falling for any of your nonsense here. This fight can go either way. So stop wanking Steve.
Annnnnnnnnnd Cap is superhuman. There is a reason he is called a super soldier. Return your handbooks to the library and read some actually comics...
Here is the reality. Cap already has edged out most street level MAs even in the brief fights he has with them, and none of those fight last long enough for his advantages to be put in play. That won't happen here. Cap and Ben won't decided to team up, or stop fighting, they will go until someone is koed. Bronze Tiger CANNOT beat Steve in a h2h fight. He can hold his own at the beginning, but he CANNOT win. I hate to throw the bucket of cold water that is reason and logic and the boner you have for Bronze Tiger, but that is the reality of the situation. No human without powers can beat Cap.
