Originally posted by dmills
No doubt. And if this was Classic Thor I'd give that to you, or even Thor as is current, but Thor during that little post civil war run didn't really show much bro. That was sort of his "I forgot all of my powers except for lightning bolts" phase. Plus even with CIS on Annihilus still swagg-jacks on a regular basis. Thor doesn't, or at least didn't at that point. IIRC of course 🙂
Originally posted by guy222
Originally posted by dmills
Key word being Apparent.
Well if you believe or go by Thor's internal monologue, Bor was at the at least high end Trans level or low Skyfather in terms of power. Someone who Thor matched and defeated.
Frankly, I think classic Thor would beat Annihilus with the Quantum Bands. At least if he played it smart. They don't add anything Mjolnir can't counter as far as I know, and Thor's already held his own against an amped Annihilus in the past (He was even beginning to win once he cut loose).
To be fair, Annihilus did take Thor out temporarily in one shot but most people forget that was right when Thor's spills of weakness started. Afterwards, he wasn't taken down.
Edit: I forgot about the Masterson fight. He was beating an amped Annihilus as well until he blasted him in the face with the Cosmic Control Rod at point blank range. That put Masterson down for like a few seconds. Then Masterson destroyed the Cosmic Control Rod with a throw.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Imo Annihilus would just drain the OF from Thor, just like Rulk did. After all Annihilus did drain the Qauntum bands and started to absorb the Nova force.
Ignoring the stupidity of Rulk, prove that he drained the Odin Force. The only evidence I know of that supports this position is Breevort's statement. I still believe that Rulk primarily absorbed Thor's lightning, and possibly some ambient energy from when he was holding on to Mjolnir's head (No homo)
Still, it is a possibility that Annihilus could absorb the Odin Force. He was able to drain a small portion of Odin's life essence while he was weakened and in the Odin sleep. I however am not sure if he used outside technology which I remember being in play.
Either way, Annihilus is not known for his subtlety. If he tries to drain the Odin Force (Which is assuming he could), Thor should notice the drop in strength (I see no reason why he shouldn't) and it'll turn into a Mjolnir vs. the Cosmic Control Rod match, which we know is a fight the Cosmic Control Rod will lose.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRulk's powers along with his statement confirm this so obviously you want to ignore it. You can't pick and choose.
Ignoring the stupidity of Rulk, prove that he drained the Odin Force. The only evidence I know of that supports this position is Breevort's statement. I still believe that Rulk primarily absorbed Thor's lightning, and possibly some ambient energy from when he was holding on to Mjolnir's head (No homo)Still, it is a possibility that Annihilus could absorb the Odin Force. He was able to drain a small portion of Odin's life essence while he was weakened and in the Odin sleep. I however am not sure if he used outside technology which I remember being in play.
Either way, Annihilus is not known for his subtlety. If he tries to drain the Odin Force (Which is assuming he could), Thor should notice the drop in strength (I see no reason why he shouldn't) and it'll turn into a Mjolnir vs. the Cosmic Control Rod match, which we know is a fight the Cosmic Control Rod will lose.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk's powers along with his statement confirm this so obviously you want to ignore it. You can't pick and choose.
Rulk's power is to absorb energy. That doesn't prove your point. It makes no sense that Thor would not notice a drop in strength unless he was not utilizing the portion of the Odin Force in that fight. I've read the encounters between Thor/Rulk recently, and it makes more sense to me that he was absorbing the energy generated from Thor's hammer strikes, and lightning.
So you're taking Breevort's word as evidence now? Heh, fine. According to him, Odin >> Void.
You're telling me I can't pick and choose? Haha, the irony. GTFO.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou act as if all of these comics make 100 percent of sense. Loeb went from rulk punching out watchers to struggling with wolverine. Comics can only make sense if the writer makes sense.
Rulk's power is to absorb energy. That doesn't prove your point. It makes no sense that Thor would not notice a drop in strength unless he was not utilizing the portion of the Odin Force in that fight. I've read the encounters between Thor/Rulk recently, and it makes more sense to me that he was absorbing the energy generated from Thor's hammer strikes, and lightning.So you're taking Breevort's word as evidence now? Heh, fine. According to him, Odin >> Void.
You're telling me I can't pick and choose? Haha, the irony. GTFO.
I only take his word about something that already happened in a comic. I don't take into consideration his version of Odin and his version of the Void.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
You act as if all of these comics make 100 percent of sense. Loeb went from rulk punching out watchers to struggling with wolverine. Comics can only make sense if the writer makes sense.I only take his word about something that already happened in a comic. I don't take into consideration his version of Odin and his version of the Void.
You're not telling me anything I don't know. Loeb was shit, he was inconsistent, but Thor not noticing the drop in strength yet utilizing the Odin Force makes zero sense. You have to pick, one you can't have both. There's a certain inherent flaw in that reasoning which isn't in place with the Watcher fight (By the way, Lunatik pulled that same shit a while ago. Uatu needs to take some boxing lessons) and Wolverine. Those things happened because Rulk's power level fluctuated. For you to have things both ways, Thor would have to have a ever recharging battery or something. It just doesn't make sense anyway you cut it. And I know some things never make sense, but this flaw is so glaring, it might not as well not be Thor.
Why would Breevort's opinion hold more weight regarding a book he didn't edit than the standing over a character? Take your double standards and go home.
I don't think his opinion means shit unless he directly had a hand in the book personally.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt doesn't have to make sense it was stated to have happened and it makes sense with how the fight went down while at the same time considering Rulk's powers.
😕You're not telling me anything I don't know. Loeb was shit, he was inconsistent, but Thor not noticing the drop in strength yet utilizing the Odin Force makes zero sense. You have to pick, one you can't have both. There's a certain inherent flaw in that reasoning which isn't in place with the Watcher fight (By the way, Lunatik pulled that same shit a while ago. Uatu needs to take some boxing lessons) and Wolverine. Those things happened because Rulk's power level fluctuated. For you to have things both ways, Thor would have to have a ever recharging battery or something. It just doesn't make sense anyway you cut it. And I know some things never make sense, but this flaw is so glaring, it might not as well not be Thor.
Why would Breevort's opinion hold more weight regarding a book he didn't edit than the standing over a character? Take your double standards and go home.
I don't think his opinion means shit unless he directly had a hand in the book personally.
Because it reinforced what actually happened on panel with someone like yourself who continues to be delusional about Thor. It's obvious this is what happened while considering his powers and the on panel fight you disagree because you like Thor. That's it.
Breevort doesn't decide who wins fantasy battles but his opinion on past events which back up on panel facts does matter.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Rage doesn't have me anywhere.
Rage's Breevort comment..;O)
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't have to make sense it was stated to have happened and it makes sense with how the fight went down while at the same time considering Rulk's powers.
It was stated to have happened? Oh really? Issue number or scan.
It doesn't make sense at all. We know Rulk absorbed energy from some source while fighting Thor, but we do not know which. Either way, you can't have it both ways as I pointed out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because it reinforced what actually happened on panel with someone like yourself who continues to be delusional about Thor. It's obvious this is what happened while considering his powers and the on panel fight you disagree because you like Thor. That's it.
Thor not noticing the drop in strength yet utilizing the Odin Force makes zero sense. You have to pick, one you can't have both.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Breevort doesn't decide who wins fantasy battles but his opinion on past events which back up on panel facts does matter.
Why would Breevort's opinion hold more weight regarding a book he didn't edit than the standing over a character? Take your double standards and go home.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rage doesn't have me anywhere.
Heh.
So I'm guessing you think Thanos: The End was non cannon, no? Because that's what Breevort consistently says and he edited the book.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt wasn't stated on panel like most things aren't directly stated but it's obvious he did so. back then we didn't even know he absorbed powers so use your head.
It was stated to have happened? Oh really? Issue number or scan.It doesn't make sense at all. We know Rulk absorbed energy from some source while fighting Thor, but we do not know which. Either way, you can't have it both ways as I pointed out.
Thor not noticing the drop in strength yet utilizing the Odin Force makes zero sense. You have to pick, one you can't have both.
Why would Breevort's opinion hold more weight regarding a book he didn't edit than the standing over a character? Take your double standards and go home.
Heh.
So I'm guessing you think Thanos: The End was non cannon, no? Because that's what Breevort consistently says and he edited the book.
This writer explained a specific event but I won't use his opinion on any versus match off the top of his head.
It all happened very quickly and the writer had yet to reveal Rulk's powers. Again it's loeb so please quit acting like every meshes well together.
Because he does work at marvel and this is over a specific event.
I've heard andy scmhidt leave it up to the reader himself and thanos' book brought it into continuity. Game. Set. Match.
So is Squirrel beating Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't stated on panel like most things aren't directly stated but it's obvious he did so. back then we didn't even know he absorbed powers so use your head.This writer explained a specific event but I won't use his opinion on any versus match off the top of his head.
It all happened very quickly and the writer had yet to reveal Rulk's powers. Again it's loeb so please quit acting like every meshes well together.
Because he does work at marvel and this is over a specific event.
I've heard andy scmhidt leave it up to the reader himself and thanos' book brought it into continuity. Game. Set. Match.
If it wasn't stated, then don't say it was stated. Pretty simple. No we didn't, but so what?
Like I told you again and again, you can't have it both ways. Either he wasn't using the Odin Force, and Rulk tapped into it, or he was using it, and Rulk tapped into some other source of energy. Thor doesn't have some regenerative power source.
Is there a reason why I'm supposed to care what Andy says? It was written by Starlin, and Breevort had a heavy hand in overseeing the project. He repeadetly said that The End titles by their very definition can't be cannon. There not supposed to be.
I'm well aware of that reference. According to Breevort it was a mistake due to poor editing. Like you said:
Originally posted by quanchi112
I only take his word about something that already happened in a comic.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat's not to be taken seriously but please stay on point you always have so much trouble with that.
So is Squirrel beating Thanos.If it wasn't stated, then don't say it was stated. Pretty simple. No we didn't, but so what?
Like I told you again and again, you can't have it both ways. Either he wasn't using the Odin Force, and Rulk tapped into it, or he was using it, and Rulk tapped into some other source of energy. Thor doesn't have some regenerative power source.
Is there a reason why I'm supposed to care what Andy says? It was written by Starlin, and Breevort had a heavy hand in overseeing the project. He repeadetly said that The End titles by their very definition can't be cannon. There not supposed to be.
I'm well aware of that reference. According to Breevort it was a mistake due to poor editing. Like you said:
Breevort backed it up because it's what happened on panel and was revealed later to be a part of rulk's powerset.
Schmidt also works for marvel and thanos' comics are in continuity so this leads more to believe it is canon since it was referenced in a canon book. 🙂
Andy already said it can be canon and since it's referenced in a canon book I have you all over the place.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBoth the witer and Tom B both said he drained the OF thats why he was able to hadle Thor that well, plus hasnt Annihilus drain asgardian life/power before when he faced Thor.(you have already mentioned this in post below
Ignoring the stupidity of Rulk, prove that he drained the Odin Force. The only evidence I know of that supports this position is Breevort's statement. I still believe that Rulk primarily absorbed Thor's lightning, and possibly some ambient energy from when he was holding on to Mjolnir's head (No homo)
Still, it is a possibility that Annihilus could absorb the Odin Force. He was able to drain a small portion of Odin's life essence while he was weakened and in the Odin sleep. I however am not sure if he used outside technology which I remember being in play.Iirc he only used the control rod
Either way, Annihilus is not known for his subtlety. If he tries to drain the Odin Force (Which is assuming he could), Thor should notice the drop in strength (I see no reason why he shouldn't) and it'll turn into a Mjolnir vs. the Cosmic Control Rod match, which we know is a fight the Cosmic Control Rod will lose. [/B]He hasnt shown any problem absorbing Nova force or Quantum Energy so i dont see why he wouldnt be able to do so with the Odin force seeing as he as already drained/absorbed part of Odin power before, and he doesnt just have the Rod here he has the Q bands as well. Physically Annihilus isnt weak he was slapping arund Nova and Quasar together and that was without the Qbands.
