Death Eaters vs Nicolas Cage

Started by Rogue Jedi5 pages

If GR showed any resistance to magic, I'd side with you. But he didn't.

I never said GR was resistant to magic just matter manipulation and mind control and bestowing of death.

Resistance to matter manipulation and mind control and bestowing of death is resistance to magic.

They could always freeze him, you know. He'll be nothing more than a statue.

Those powers aren't just magical.
Mutants can do those things as well powered superheroes even machines can pull off those feats in the respective universe.
And none have succeeded before.
Being a cosmic entity comes with certain advantages.
Because the GR is the actual spirit of vengeance he is up there with Thor, Odin and Mephisto/Satan.
There unique biologies are still misunderstood by the highly advanced alien races that span the Marvel Universe.....they still can't decode them.

Death exists in HP as an entity if it appeared in front of the wizards would you really believe that any of these spells would effect it in any way. Death would just shrug it off.

And same would GR. Might feel some discomfort but these spells were created specifically for what they have witnessed in their reality.

They have never faced a being like this before.

And GR has never faced a being like a wizard. He showed ZERO resistance to magic, dude.

God don't make me watch that movie again....

Didn't the other spirits GR fought have mad abilities?
They didn't work on GR.
Spells that made a guy I think vomit water. Not on GR....why?
Cause he's immune they had to resort to Semi Trailers and stuff.
I think one even tried to Apparate? and GR just swallowed him with Hell Fire.
Edit: Those villains would kill the wizards as well.
Death eaters turn up and the liquid demon would just make them all vomit water.

A sky full of Appirating Death Eaters and GR swallows em all like a vaccuum cleaner.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Those powers aren't just magical.

Those abilities ARE magical: explicitly and inexorably magical.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Mutants can do those things as well powered superheroes even machines can pull off those feats in the respective universe.

But those aren't "magic." Those are very explicitly NOT magic.

Also, there is NO WAY to prove that the HP magic will or will not work on GR, based on the movie alone. It is a very futile attempt from both sides to have a vs. discussion. Each said can equally say magic will or will not work. You absolutely cannot pick and choose which magic will work and which will not because nothing exists in the movie to prove or disprove ANY of that.

Comic book feats? Not allowed. Comic book proof? Not allowed. Etc. etc. etc.

Here's the discussion:

Can HP magic work on the Cosmic Entity and Demon known as Zarathos/Johny Blaze combo (which, together, are stronger than apart)?

Answer: undefined and not determinable.

Would this be in doubt if it was anyone except for an immensely powerful cosmic entity? Not at all.

Thread match-up fails and no discussion except immature insults and baseless claims can occur.

That should effectively end the thread, but it won't happen because egos are much too big.

If , however, we assume a "Matrix" in which all powers work against each other, the Wizards win by a landslide without very much effort at all. Why? The death spell kills the physical and removes the soul. That would be both Zarathos' soul and Johnny Blaze soul.

If you assume a Matrix in which you argue, incessantly, on which power do or do not work, than that is a shitty OP and the thread needs to be closed and redone.

Hey I wanted the thread closed on agreement that there wasn't "enough" to conclude a winner.

An ORIGIN movie based on a comic character that could do all of the above that I posted.

I guess the posts just kept going. More a personal education on the universe than anything.

In the end this was a joke thread that became something more. Nice to have a ref though.

Magic spells do have limits though, does the mind-control spell work on a boulder or a leg of lamb? Would it work on a dementor or ghost?

The spells RJ brought up all seemed to work on the living and/or inanimate objects. GR is outside either of these scopes.

But yeah, overall it's a circular debate.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not implied in the GR movie. Pure speculation, duder.

Imperio, he goes into human form, evanesco.

and neither is what you want to happen..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
and neither is what you want to happen..

Hey, Bruce, did GR show any resistance to magic?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, Bruce, did GR show any resistance to magic?

back at you,, did the wizards take down a demonic supernatural force??

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
back at you,, did the wizards take down a demonic supernatural force??
They can certainly vanish him. Or change him into a thimble. Or freeze him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They can certainly vanish him. Or change him into a thimble. Or freeze him.

Did the wizards show the ability to affect demi-gods?

No.

Can you logically conclude that they can based on the films? No.

Can they vanish him? Undefined.

Can they change him into a thimble? Undefined.

Can they freeze him? Undefined.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did the wizards show the ability to affect demi-gods?

No.

Can you logically conclude that they can based on the films? No.

Can they vanish him? Undefined.

Can they change him into a thimble? Undefined.

Can they freeze him? Undefined.

Then I guess it's circular, as Rob said.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then I guess it's circular, as Rob said.

Maybe it will change when the [crappier] sequel comes out in 2012. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance in 3-****ing-D

The death spell kills the physical and removes the soul.

Was this actually said on-screen?

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe it will change when the [crappier] sequel comes out in 2012. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance in 3-****ing-D
Mhm, and he'll be shown to be vulnerable to magic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Was this actually said on-screen?

Harry Potter is death spelled and his soul goes to the beyond.

That should be in Part 2 because there's a huge sequence where Harry is in the afterlife and he has to "choose" to go back.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Harry Potter is death spelled and his soul goes to the beyond.

That should be in Part 2 because there's a huge sequence where Harry is in the afterlife and he has to "choose" to go back.

so who kills harry?