Originally posted by TheLordofMurderA dick, eat one.
Moderator: (flogs mindset with a bullwhip) "Stop trolling dammit!!"Mindset: "Arggghhhh!!!"
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurderWhy would they?
Why couldnt the technopath order the UN to "fire" or order it to "kill that guy over there?"Let me guess...the technopath "just cant"....right?
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Originally posted by Mindset
So a telepath could manipulate the consciousness of any being regardless of its complexity?
Apples and oranges....
Beings with consciousness are generally self aware, so they are capable of resisting being dominated; tech (on the other hand) is NOT innately conscious...there is no awareness...so they have no ability to resist being dominated unless they are self aware or have a built-in defense against being dominated/controlled.
Getting desperate arent you...
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Beings with consciousness also (in some cases atleast) have natural defensive mechanisms against telepaths; Xavier comments on Galactus's natural defensive mechanisms being "strong beyond imagine" in the original Secret War...
But again, with tech (unless its sentient) there is no mind to combat...so there are no natural defensive mechanisms in place preventing control.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderResistance to a telepath is futile baring special cases. As well you should know...
Apples and oranges....Beings with consciousness are generally self aware, so they are capable of resisting being dominated; tech (on the other hand) is NOT innately conscious...there is no awareness...so they have no ability to resist being dominated unless they are self aware or have a built-in defense against being dominated/controlled.
Getting desperate arent you...
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Being self aware hardly matters unless the being has some kind of defense against tp and uses it.
Anyway, even when Galactus was not trying to resist Xavier, Xavier could barely even communicate with him iirc.
Originally posted by Mindset
Anyway, even when Galactus was not trying to resist Xavier, Xavier could barely even communicate with him iirc.
You remember incorrectly as Xavier wasnt able to communicate with Galactus at all; he and Magneto were able to do the following (I have the actual comicbook here infront of me btw; Secret Wars 1, #5):
Page 18, panel 2: "Clawing at the fringes of consciousness something garners but a flickering of Galactus's awareness--
Page 18, panel 3: "--and by sheer reflex, a massive wave of psionic feedback inundates the source of the disturbance----with devastating effect!"
So you are wrong once again; they were not able to communicate with Galactus at all...
Anything else you want me to prove you wrong about?
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Beings with consciousness also (in some cases atleast) have natural defensive mechanisms against telepaths; Xavier comments on Galactus's natural defensive mechanisms being "strong beyond imagine" in the original Secret War...But again, with tech (unless its sentient) there is no mind to combat...so there are no natural defensive mechanisms in place preventing control.
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Originally posted by vince_slice
In TI Mantis herself states that Drax gained his "avatar" of life powers when he was first created to be Thanos' nemesis. It says so right there on panel in TI #4. So no, the Cancerverse did not give him his powers, instead what it did was make his "COMPULSION" to kill Thanos irresistible, as stated by Rocket Raccoon, in the same issue.It has been confirmed by Andy Schmidt in a Q&A online, a fan asked about the specific incident you talked about in your post (Drax with the glow killing Thanos through his shields), and his answer was that Drax's presence inhibits Thanos' natural atomic control ability and that's exactly why Drax can kill Thanos. Andy even went further, saying Drax can't kill Thor, and would probably even have a hard time killing Wolverine, but Thanos he can kill--because of his ability.
If you're suggesting just cause he didn't glow in TI (completely disregarding how artists have different renditions) then his power's aren't turned on his ridiculous. You know for a fact that his anti-thanos power's aren't under his conscious control, and they activated when Thanos is present, stated by MANTIS HERSELF, in TI also.l
I also want to point out--the fact that people argue that It's not Thanos that got weaker but Drax that got stronger--is quite hilarious.
Drax's powers IS to make Thanos weaker, and that's how he can kill Thanos, and thats how his powers work. The stronger that Drax's powers get, the weaker Thanos gets, because that's by definition his power in the first place. Are people that confused?
Drax's avatar of life powers don't grant him durability, or strength, or whatever, they grant him the ability to inhibit Thanos' natural atomic control thereby allow him to kill Thanos.
Oh, so the idea of Drax affecting Thanos's abilities comes from an interview. While an interview is not proof, I think it raises the possibilities of it being truth with other incidental proof. My main issue with "Drax affecting Thanos" is simply that none of the other incarnations of Drax ever affected Thanos that way, at least not that I know.
But well, if Nimrod can repeat the ability that weakens Thanos, or uses any other power to inhibit his molecular control, then the difference between how powers may or may not work is not important in this match.
Also, we should note that the indestructible and feral Thanos the guardians faced at Sacrosanct was zapped by the cosmic cube, and it's never proved that he recovered those levels of power or if he gained some other power level after that invincibility effect was neutralized -Drax certainly didn't weaken him enough when they fought at Sacrosanct-. So we are left with assumptions of how powerful fullpowered Thanos would be, and no proof about he not being able to be killed or whatsoever.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I just went though this thread and I dont see me saying that anywhere; quote the entire post where I said that...
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Also, you asked if I think Henshaws tech is better than Thanos's...This is meaningless IMHO as Henshaw is a technopath...he dominates technology (and has done so on panel)...until we have some logical reason to believe otherwise, why shouldnt Henshaw be able to dominate Thanos's tech?
The reasoning that "because its Thanos's" aint good enough; if you cant provide a legit argument as to why Henshaw cant do it, then he can do it until proven otherwise...
LoM, I just think you are seriously over-estimating Team one and seriously underestimating Thanos.
Anyone on Team One vs Surfer almost every forum poster would say Surfer. Thanos killed Surfer with 7 punches. Seven.
Add that to the amount of punishment he's taken at the hands of DP Tyrant and Odin and you got durability to backup his offense.
Originally posted by zopzop
LoM, I just think you are seriously over-estimating Team one and seriously underestimating Thanos.Anyone on Team One vs Surfer almost every forum poster would say Surfer. Thanos killed Surfer with 7 punches. Seven.
Add that to the amount of punishment he's taken at the hands of DP Tyrant and Odin and you got durability to backup his offense.
Surfer vs Cyborg Superman is not a good fight for Surfer barring -maybe- weakness exploitation.
Surfer would either BFR Ultron or use collateral damage -such as a black hole- which Thanos can't or hasn't replicate. Otherwise Ultron can pass through him.
Nimrod loses ermm
Surfer is a different beast; different powerset....
This team isnt built to take him on; its built to take on Thanos as they can neutralize all his strengths except his intellect...
Thanos's keen mind (his ability to come up with creative solutions to problems rapidly) is the only reason he could get a few wins here; if Thanos fights like a powerful brick with energy projection, then he has no chance at all...