Cyborg Superman, Nimrod, and Ultron vs Thanos...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please post proof that this blast would've killed him. The thing is..you have no proof. Just like when Superman is weakened by Red Sunlight or Knite and gets KO'd.. we can't go.. well that would've ko'd him anyways.. as that isn't a fact we can prove. What we can prove for sure is that he was weakened and more than likely that was a key factor in him being KO'd.

Now, what we also know is.. not only was Thanos weakened... he also was dealing with Drax's aura that turns off his molecular control over his body. Those are two things that are facts that make it clear those factors contributed to him getting hurt by the Anti-Matter blast. If you have any proof or narration that he would've been killed anyways and those two factors played no role... by all means... post away kid

I would give anti-matter the win against anything made of matter. They just plain destroy each other. It doesn't matter if its a piece of paper of cap's shield. Matter is matter. Anti-matter and matter destroy each other.

I don't understand why people make excuses about the anti matter. It would do the same thing to anyone made of matter.

@zopzop

Well that same machine (Nimrod) was able to find away around Cytorraks (never could spell that name correctly) enchantment and directly harm Juggs (and Thors God Blast was incapable of doing that; although I will admit that Thor was weakened by Hela's curse when that event occurred); again, Nimrods ability has a perfect track record...so why should it fail here?

Besides a wavelength/frequency is simply a projection of energy ranging from very high to very low regardless of its exact nature...as a result, that wavelength/frequency should (logically) be able to be duplicated.

So again, there is no logical reason why Nimrod shouldnt be able divine and replicate the frequency that makes Thanos weak...

Also, if you believe Thanos is going to just beat this team with brute force, then I simply cant agree with you; he's going to have to come up with something clever to beat them because a pure physical approach isnt going to work...

Nimrod can reconstruct from powder (and adapts against attacks used against him)...

Cyborg Supes can reconstruct (remember this battle happens on Apokalypse) almost at will with Darkseids high end tech around...

And there is no proof that Thanos could wreck Ultron; could Thanos dent Ultron? Perhaps, but denting and doing real harm to his primary adamantium body are two vastly different things...

I guess we agree to disagree then as I simply cant see Thanos completely owning this team; they match up with him too well...

Also, you asked if I think Henshaws tech is better than Thanos's...

This is meaningless IMHO as Henshaw is a technopath...he dominates technology (and has done so on panel)...until we have some logical reason to believe otherwise, why shouldnt Henshaw be able to dominate Thanos's tech?

The reasoning that "because its Thanos's" aint good enough; if you cant provide a legit argument as to why Henshaw cant do it, then he can do it until proven otherwise...

Originally posted by Bentley
Quan, you know as well as I do that you can't prove how powerful "empowered Thanos" was. You know they never mentioned him being weakened after the fight with the Cancerverse-Defenders. So it's just your opinion.

lol at people discussing characters that were never displayed in comics. Shows people can't actually stick to the Thanos they get because he's too weak 😉

A weakened Thanos was dominating Mar-vell. Read the comics they mention him being weakened multiple times. Thanos at full power doesn't budge with gunfire either so it shows how weakened he was at the time. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
They mentioned him as gaining more power after Drax killed him an dwe saw the gun knock him way back but guns not even faze him in gotg 25. I think I just proved he was weakened so it doesn't count.

A weakened Thanos was dominating Mar-vell. Read the comics they mention him being weakened multiple times. Thanos at full power doesn't budge with gunfire either so it shows how weakened he was at the time. 🙂

Well, let's say you're not wrong -I haven't checked on the TI, but you could be right so no point trying to disprove things that are likely-, you cannot prove the bomb wouldn't have had the same effect. You cannot prove either that Thanos is fully invulnerable for everything. I mean, you can assume and take a position, it can even be a possible one, but on the sole basis he was weakened you cannot be absolutely sure he wouldn't be damaged at full power.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Also, you asked if I think Henshaws tech is better than Thanos's...

This is meaningless IMHO as Henshaw is a technopath...he dominates technology (and has done so on panel)...until we have some logical reason to believe otherwise, why shouldnt Henshaw be able to dominate Thanos's tech?

The reasoning that "because its Thanos's" aint good enough; if you cant provide a legit argument as to why Henshaw cant do it, then he can do it until proven otherwise...

1. If you make the claim that Henshaw's tech is better than Thanos, you should provide proof, which might be hard since they're both from different comic universes.

2. Saying Henshaw is a technopath and therefore he dominates all tech, including Thanos is a no limits fallacy. What's stopping you from using the same flawed logic--because he "dominates ALL tech" he can dominate Galactus' tech, or Celestial tech, or etc and etc?

Originally posted by Bentley
you cannot prove the bomb wouldn't have had the same effect. [/B]

You can't prove anything with 100% certainty, but there's a mountain of evidence suggesting the anti-matter bomb affected a weakened Thanos.

The same issue Mantis stated Thanos recovered enough power so she, Cosmo, and Moondragon couldn't mindlock him, no where does it say he's fully recovered, meaning at the time he was weakened. In fact no where in the entire TI series does it say Thanos fully recovered

Also we know Drax's anti-Thanos powers affect Thanos' ability to control his molecular structure and his durability--and that Drax's presence makes Thanos' durability weak to his attacks. This is confirmed by a marvel editor Andy Schmidt.

We know that Drax's power's aren't in his control and activate when Thanos is present. Again, this is confirmed by Mantis who probed Drax's mind after he attacked Thanos. When Thanos is present Drax automatically becomes the "avatar of life" and his anti-Thanos powers activate. Drax has no control over this.

So when Thanos died from the anti-matter bomb, two conditions were present:
(1) He wasn't fully recovered;
(2) Drax's anti-Thanos powers severely lowered his durability and ability to control his own molecules.

If you're going to take the stance that the bomb would of killed Thanos anyways is to ignore the above conditions, and would be just plain ignorant. You could try to argue those two conditions above don't make a difference, but you'd likely fail.

If I recall correctly Mantis suggested that Drax was affected not by his own special abilities to kill Thanos, but because the Cancerverse itself; also, it hasn't been confirmed the nature of Drax's ability when he glows at Thanos, supposing his molecular structure is affected doesn't explain how Drax passed through the shields and overcame Moondragon's tp so fast. It's fully possible that Drax becomes empowered instead of Thanos becoming weaker -or both possibilities-. Also, the last time Drax killed Thanos he was glowing, in the TI such glow was no longer present so assuming that Drax was affecting Thanos instead of just the Cancerverse cannot be fully proved.

And trying to swamp the situation in which Thanos's was destroyed doesn't inmediately makes his fully powered versio indestructible.

Originally posted by Bentley
If I recall correctly Mantis suggested that Drax was affected not by his own special abilities to kill Thanos, but because the Cancerverse itself; also, it hasn't been confirmed the nature of Drax's ability when he glows at Thanos, supposing his molecular structure is affected doesn't explain how Drax passed through the shields and overcame Moondragon's tp so fast. It's fully possible that Drax becomes empowered instead of Thanos becoming weaker -or both possibilities-. Also, the last time Drax killed Thanos he was glowing, in the TI such glow was no longer present so assuming that Drax was affecting Thanos instead of just the Cancerverse cannot be fully proved.

And trying to swamp the situation in which Thanos's was destroyed doesn't inmediately makes his fully powered versio indestructible.

Originally posted by Bentley
If I recall correctly Mantis suggested that Drax was affected not by his own special abilities to kill Thanos, but because the Cancerverse itself; also, it hasn't been confirmed the nature of Drax's ability when he glows at Thanos, supposing his molecular structure is affected doesn't explain how Drax passed through the shields and overcame Moondragon's tp so fast. It's fully possible that Drax becomes empowered instead of Thanos becoming weaker -or both possibilities-. Also, the last time Drax killed Thanos he was glowing, in the TI such glow was no longer present so assuming that Drax was affecting Thanos instead of just the Cancerverse cannot be fully proved.

And trying to swamp the situation in which Thanos's was destroyed doesn't inmediately makes his fully powered versio indestructible.

In TI Mantis herself states that Drax gained his "avatar" of life powers when he was first created to be Thanos' nemesis. It says so right there on panel in TI #4. So no, the Cancerverse did not give him his powers, instead what it did was make his "COMPULSION" to kill Thanos irresistible, as stated by Rocket Raccoon, in the same issue.

It has been confirmed by Andy Schmidt in a Q&A online, a fan asked about the specific incident you talked about in your post (Drax with the glow killing Thanos through his shields), and his answer was that Drax's presence inhibits Thanos' natural atomic control ability and that's exactly why Drax can kill Thanos. Andy even went further, saying Drax can't kill Thor, and would probably even have a hard time killing Wolverine, but Thanos he can kill--because of his ability.

If you're suggesting just cause he didn't glow in TI (completely disregarding how artists have different renditions) then his power's aren't turned on his ridiculous. You know for a fact that his anti-thanos power's aren't under his conscious control, and they activated when Thanos is present, stated by MANTIS HERSELF, in TI also.l

I also want to point out--the fact that people argue that It's not Thanos that got weaker but Drax that got stronger--is quite hilarious.

Drax's powers IS to make Thanos weaker, and that's how he can kill Thanos, and thats how his powers work. The stronger that Drax's powers get, the weaker Thanos gets, because that's by definition his power in the first place. Are people that confused?

Drax's avatar of life powers don't grant him durability, or strength, or whatever, they grant him the ability to inhibit Thanos' natural atomic control thereby allow him to kill Thanos.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It has been confirmed by Andy Schmidt in a Q&A online, a fan asked about the specific incident you talked about in your post (Drax with the glow killing Thanos through his shields), and his answer was that Drax's presence inhibits Thanos' natural atomic control ability and that's exactly why Drax can kill Thanos. Andy even went further, saying Drax can't kill Thor, and would probably even have a hard time killing Wolverine, but Thanos he can kill--because of his ability.

He also said that its thanos's eternal molecule thing which he canceled which allowed him to kill him. Which would in no way affect him durability. So either Drax did get an amp by glowing green or drax is strong enough to do that anyway.

So what Andy said was complete bullshit.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He also says galactus can barley hurt thanos which we know is false.

He also said that its thanos's eternal molecule thing which he canceled which allowed him to kill him. Which would in no way affect him durability. So either Drax did get an amp by glowing green or drax is strong enough to do that anyway.

So what Andy said was complete bullshit.

You don't think controlling your own molecules affects your own durability? I guess molecule man can be taken down by a simple missile.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You don't think controlling your own molecules affects your own durability? I guess molecule man can be taken down by a simple missile.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You don't think controlling your own molecules affects your own durability? I guess molecule man can be taken down by a simple missile.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thanos is durable because hes durable. Not because he heals after taking damage. Hes just plain super durable.

You don't think someone who can control their own body's molecules can enhance their own durability? I mean their body's durability IS made of patterns of molecules which they themselves control.

Molecule man for example can tank devastating attacks easily, why is that? He isn't naturally durable at all, his durability stems from his power to control his own molecules (and molecules around him). Get it?

Originally posted by vince_slice
You don't think someone who can control their own body's molecules can enhance their own durability? I mean their body's durability IS made of patterns of molecules which they themselves control.

Molecule man for example can tank devastating attacks easily, why is that? He isn't naturally durable at all, his durability stems from his power to control his own molecules (and molecules around him). Get it?

Thanos is just super naturally durable.

I'll make this as simple as possible.

Drax's main powers is the ability to kill Thanos.

In order to kill someone who is extremely super durable like Thanos, you must have the ability to get passed his durability. How does Drax bypass Thanos' durability?

Originally posted by vince_slice
I'll make this as simple as possible.

Drax's main powers is the ability to kill Thanos.

In order to kill someone who is extremely super durable like Thanos, you must have the ability to get passed his durability. How does Drax bypass Thanos' durability?

How else do you explain drax ripping through thanos's shields? Even if it did weaken thanos it wouldn't weaken his shields.

Originally posted by vince_slice
You don't think someone who can control their own body's molecules can enhance their own durability? I mean their body's durability IS made of patterns of molecules which they themselves control.

Molecule man for example can tank devastating attacks easily, why is that? He isn't naturally durable at all, his durability stems from his power to control his own molecules (and molecules around him). Get it?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Most people dont even know Thanos own personal shields come from him which he creates with his own energy, so it makes sense Drax bypassing his shields.

Exactly, energy shields created by his own power still stems from his atomic control and from his own energy. This allows Drax's powers to bypass his shields anyways.

*another interesting note in Annihilation:

If I remember correctly

Thanos' shields were PURPLE and Drax's aura was GREEN, the art depicts Drax's green aura bypassing Thanos' purple shields. I wonder if that's symbolic for anything--since Thanos is often associated with the colour purple, and Drax is associated with green. Just something interesting I noticed.

@vince-slice

Please point out the post where I supposedly said that Cyborg Superman's tech was better than Thanos's; I garantee would wont find it, because I never said that...

Zopzop asked me if I thought Henshaws tech was better than Thanos's and I said that question was meaningless...

As pertains my alledged "No Limits Fallacy," there is no fallacy on my part at all; unless some given tech is sentient (self aware; and thus capable of resisting control) OR has built in defenses against technopaths, then there is no logical reason why a given technopath cant dominate any tech he/she/it encounters...

And yes, that control would extend to Galactus's tech (which has been dominated by a technopath on panel; Depowered Tyrant did it) and Celestial tech; although I am betting that if this became an issue, I am certain that a given writter would write Celestial tech as possessing built-in immunity to control attempts (at this point in time though, there is nothing on panel to suggest that Celestial tech is immune to outsider control attempts either)...

So far there is NOTHING on panel to suggest that Thanos's tech is sentient or has built in resistance to technopaths...so at this point in time...there is no reason to support the belief that Thanos's tech would be immune to Henshaw's influence.