Eternals versus The New Gods

Started by D_Dude12103 pages
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Mister Mircale(ALE), Granny Goodness, Darkseid. That alone is a helluva lot of firepower.

Mr Miracle wasn't mentioned to have the ALE here. :-/

(Yes, I know he has it but he won't "use" it in this fight for the reasons mentioned above)

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Mr Miracle wasn't mentioned to have the ALE here. :-/

(Yes, I know he has it but he won't "use" it in this fight for the reasons mentioned above)

HAs he not always had it?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
HAs he not always had it?

For the last 40 years anyway

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
For the last 40 years anyway
So since CIS is off I see no reason why he won't use it.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So since CIS is off I see no reason why he won't use it.

because its not CIS for Miracle to not use the ALE

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because its not CIS for Miracle to not use the ALE
Then what is it?

Its not in character for him to use it is it? So why would he not use it with CIS off?

A perfect example of CIS would be Spiderman pulling his punches in a battle with Daredevil because he doesnt wont do hurt him and thus halfing his abilities and allowing a win...thats cis.

The ALE is in itself an antithesis to everything Miracle represents...its his yang. Its not some self-imposed restriction, its a polar opposite thats unnatural for his being to accept

^^^^ Correct

Originally posted by Sin I AM
A perfect example of CIS would be Spiderman pulling his punches in a battle with Daredevil because he doesnt wont do hurt him and thus halfing his abilities and allowing a win...thats cis.

The ALE is in itself an antithesis to everything Miracle represents...its his yang. Its not some self-imposed restriction, its a polar opposite thats unnatural for his being to accept

But its still a part of him. For whatever reason its not in his character to use it. Doesn't matter why. Thus with CIS off I still see no reason why he wouldn't.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But its still a part of him. For whatever reason its not in his character to use it. Doesn't matter why. Thus with CIS off I still see no reason why he wouldn't.

Then i believe that your not understanding the concept. By taking "cis off" it allows a good guy like say Superman to not hold back when he's fighting an opponent, (since he always keeps his powers in check) it levels the playing field. It would not allow him to endanger lives or kill, which is what is usually implied when people add "bloodlusted" to threads since killing in itself, isnt cis. Same goes for Mr. Miracle. If i wanted him to use the ALE (which would have made the thread spite btw) then i would have stipulated either "bloodlust" or simple ALE in my OP.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Then i believe that your not understanding the concept. By taking "cis off" it allows a good guy like say Superman to not hold back when he's fighting an opponent, (since he always keeps his powers in check) it levels the playing field. It would not allow him to endanger lives or kill, which is what is usually implied when people add "bloodlusted" to threads since killing in itself, isnt cis. Same goes for Mr. Miracle. If i wanted him to use the ALE (which would have made the thread spite btw) then i would have stipulated either "bloodlust" or simple ALE in my OP.
Why wouldn't it let him endanger lives?

Without CIS you argue powerset. The character doesn't matter. As they don't do whats in character.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. <<<this is the definition ive come to accept, now IMO it pertains pulling punches, forgetting you have a magic hammer that can absorb ALL energy types, being an expert marksman and MISSING, being able to travel ftl and getting punched by metas, etc. The ALE represents a portion of Miracles mythos which in effect is his polar opposite, imo it SHOULD be as detrimental for him to use on another as himself. But thats my opinion.