Runner ( no gem) vs Superman

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No Makkari goes light speed. Even though runner is faster then surfer and surfer is much much faster then light.

No he's right. It was in an issue of Quasar, Makkari smoked all of the fastest runners in the universe. It was issue 58 I believe.

It seems without the Gems the Elders are a joke. Notice how She-Hulk humiliated Champion without the Power Gem.

It was Quasar 58 here's the scans :

An unammed person, Bearded Alien aka Fast Forward actually had the lead before he stopped to help Makkari :

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Here's Makkari showing Runner who's the boss :

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flash was in that issue where makkari beat runner

Originally posted by zopzop
No he's right. It was in an issue of Quasar, Makkari smoked all of the fastest runners in the universe. It was issue 58 I believe.

It seems without the Gems the Elders are a joke. Notice how She-Hulk humiliated Champion without the Power Gem.

And champion has been a joke for the last 25 years. He originally beat down all of Marvel Earth didn't he?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
flash was in that issue where makkari beat runner

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Originally posted by -Pr-
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It's true. There was a rumor "Bearded Alien" aka "Fast Forward" was supposed to be Flash.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know hes right. But they said light speed was the fastest anyone could go.Which we know is false. Runner can go faster then surfer and surfer can go faster then light. So no..........Runner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Makkari in speed.

And champion has been a joke for the last 25 years. He originally beat down all of Marvel Earth didn't he?

Yeah well, ON PANEL, he was losing to Fast Forward aka Bearded Alien until he stepped out the race to help Makkari.

Then ON PANEL, he lost fair and square vs Makkari.

Without the Gems the Elders are trash.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's true. There was a rumor "Bearded Alien" aka "Fast Forward" was supposed to be Flash.

was it a crossover issue, or just a homage.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah well, ON PANEL, he was losing to Fast Forward aka Bearded Alien until he stepped out the race to help Makkari.

Then ON PANEL, he lost fair and square vs Makkari.

Without the Gems the Elders are trash.

ON PANEL surfer is faster then light

ON PANEL he gave thanos a beat down.

They aren't trash at all. Collector constantly gives the avengers trouble. The runner would destroy the,.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And ON PANEL he was faster then surfer.

ON PANEL surfer is faster then light

ON PANEL he gave thanos a beat down.

They aren't trash at all. Collector constantly gives the avengers trouble. The runner would destroy the,.

He had the Space Gem didn't he? He only lost it later when Thanos pwned him with the Time Gem.

So like I said, without the Gems the Elders are trash.

Originally posted by -Pr-
was it a crossover issue, or just a homage.

Definitely not a crossover, so I guess homage? They even said he came from another reality outside "our" own or something.

Originally posted by zopzop
He had the Space Gem didn't he? He only lost it later when Thanos pwned him with the Time Gem.

So like I said, without the Gems the Elders are trash.

Like I said thats complete bullshit.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
[B]No he didn't have the space gem when he beat down surfer. He was also much much faster then him.

I'm almost 100% certain you are wrong and the Gem was on his person when he fought the Surfer. I'll check the issue.

And he didn't know how to use the gem against thanos. The gem wouldn't make him faster. It let him teleport to destinations which is why he thought he was moving faster.

Like I said thats complete bullshit.

Wrong, Thanos even said he was subconsciously tapping into the Gem's power like the other Elders (Gardner, Champion, etc...).

Originally posted by zopzop
Definitely not a crossover, so I guess homage? They even said he came from another reality outside "our" own or something.

Ah. We both know, though, that "supposed to be" and "actually are", are two different things.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah. We both know, though, that "supposed to be" and "actually are", are two different things.

I think he even said his name was "Barry" or something. It was definitely supposed to be Flash, it was confirmed elsewhere too. I'll have to look it up.

Wasn't Flash.

The Collector is more powerful than Runner. Runner is a little fish in a big pond 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah well, ON PANEL, he was losing to Fast Forward aka Bearded Alien until he stepped out the race to help Makkari.

Then ON PANEL, he lost fair and square vs Makkari.

Without the Gems the Elders are trash.

it was a homage to barry allen flash, who famously ran himself to death in coie by withering away into the speedforce.

"buried alien" was the name of the barry allen like character who shows up out of nowhere during the race to the moon and beats everyone present easily (minus the runner)

now, the thing to consider about that is that lightspeed wasn't the fastest a being could move in marvel at the time, but rather the fastest a being couldn't be cause of shifting to hyperspace, as many hve done and transended lightspeed many times over way before that quasar issue in the 90's (case in point gladiator going 100x lightspeed, thor going thrice lightspeed, etc)

Originally posted by zopzop
Without the Gems the Elders are trash.

the only one who knew how to use the gems was the grandmaster, but that was after he spied on thanos who gained the knowledge originally from the well he studied. before thanos the only one to know their true capabilites was the infinity being.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you're messing it all up

it was a homage to barry allen flash, who famously ran himself to death in coie by withering away into the speedforce.

"buried alien" was the name of the barry allen like character who shows up out of nowhere during the race to the moon and beats everyone present easily (minus the runner)

now, the thing to consider about that is that lightspeed wasn't the fastest a being could move in marvel at the time, but rather the fastest a being couldn't be cause of shifting to hyperspace, as many hve done and transended lightspeed many times over way before that quasar issue in the 90's (case in point gladiator going 100x lightspeed, thor going thrice lightspeed, etc)

There was two races :

Quasar 17 and Quasar 58.

Alien shows up in 17 and beats everyone. In the rematch in 58 he was ahead of Makkari and Runner but dropped out to help Makkari from being hurt by a cheater.

But you are right, it was Buried not Bearded, his beard threw me.

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Go Flash Go 😄

i know, it's just that runner made rules to make it fare for everyone to compete i.e. only terestrial running was allowed. he kicked monica rambue out cause her feet weren't hiting the platforms within a certain distance, and in runner's ruling that meant she was flying.

runner's space running (the energy thing he does like when he was attacking thanos) makes him way faster. he would have stomped buried alien

no gem

Runner defeated SS easily, he'll do the same to supes.