Originally posted by psycho gundam
i know, it's just that runner made rules to make it fare for everyone to compete i.e. only terestrial running was allowed. he kicked monica rambue out cause her feet weren't hiting the platforms within a certain distance, and in runner's ruling that meant she was flying.runner's space running (the energy thing he does like when he was attacking thanos) makes him way faster. he would have stomped buried alien
no gem
But the rules, like you said, were for "running" not flying. Runner would have lost to Buried and he for sure lost to Makkari. So there are people faster than him. His showing vs Thanos was with the Space Gem that he was subconsciously tapping into.
Vs Surfer I'm not sure if he had the Gem or not. But if he didn't and beat the Surfer that's a low showing for the Surfer. What has Runner been shown doing aside from his two fights? One vs Surfer (Gem use in question) and one vs Thanos (subconscious Gem use implicitly stated).
Originally posted by zopzopwhen he fought thanos, he said he would show up somewhere sometimes before he set out for his destination, then thanos confirmed it be saying he was mentally teleporting since the gem would take him where he wanted to go just by his subconscious will. he actually did use his speed against thanos though, and didn't teleport at all during that fight. his teleporting was never shown on panel (aside from the end of the moon race, but that was minus the gem).
But the rules, like you said, were for "running" not flying. Runner would have lost to Buried and he for sure lost to Makkari. So there are people faster than him. His showing vs Thanos was with the Space Gem that he was subconsciously tapping into.Vs Surfer I'm not sure if he had the Gem or not. But if he didn't and beat the Surfer that's a low showing for the Surfer. What has Runner been shown doing aside from his two fights? One vs Surfer (Gem use in question) and one vs Thanos (subconscious Gem use implicitly stated).
against surfer he basically just overpowered him and surfer couldn't shake him back in SS volume 3 #3
Originally posted by zopzopNo it wasn't. The elders were collecting the gems and did collect them. But they collected them and planned to kill galactus. They did not start using them to my knowledge until thanos quest.
I'm almost 100% certain you are wrong and the Gem was on his person when he fought the Surfer. I'll check the issue.Wrong, Thanos even said he was subconsciously tapping into the Gem's power like the other Elders (Gardner, Champion, etc...).
Like I said he didn't know how to use the gem. And the gem lets him teleport. Not run faster.
Originally posted by zopzopNo the runner runs. Not flys.
But the rules, like you said, were for "running" not flying. Runner would have lost to Buried and he for sure lost to Makkari. So there are people faster than him. His showing vs Thanos was with the Space Gem that he was subconsciously tapping into.Vs Surfer I'm not sure if he had the Gem or not. But if he didn't and beat the Surfer that's a low showing for the Surfer. What has Runner been shown doing aside from his two fights? One vs Surfer (Gem use in question) and one vs Thanos (subconscious Gem use implicitly stated).
And he didn't have the gem when he stomped surfer. And the space gem does not make him run faster.
Originally posted by psycho gundamThis exactly.
when he fought thanos, he said he would show up somewhere sometimes before he set out for his destination, then thanos confirmed it be saying he was mentally teleporting since the gem would take him where he wanted to go just by his subconscious will. he actually did use his speed against thanos though, and didn't teleport at all during that fight. his teleporting was never shown on panel (aside from the end of the moon race, but that was minus the gem).against surfer he basically just overpowered him and surfer couldn't shake him back in SS volume 3 #3
Originally posted by Black bolt z
[B]No it wasn't. The elders were collecting the gems and did collect them. But they collected them and planned to kill galactus. They did not start using them to my knowledge until thanos quest.
That could be true I don't remember the Runner/Surfer fight too well
Like I said he didn't know how to use the gem. And the gem lets him teleport. Not run faster.
Wrong, it was stated on panel by Thanos that all the Elders in possession of a Gem were subconsciously tapping into their power.
Originally posted by zopzopIIRC it went like this.
That could be true I don't remember the Runner/Surfer fight too wellWrong, it was stated on panel by Thanos that all the Elders in possession of a Gem were subconsciously tapping into their power.
Surfer is flying at light speed around the universe as he does.
Runner comes up to surfer and they start chatting.
Surfer asks runner what he is doing here.
Runner says "I'm going to kill you"
Runner gives surfer as beatdown while surfer continues to like him to do his like-a-bility arua.
Runner KO's surfer on a Random planet where Mantis finds him and heals him back to full.
Yes. But the space gem lets you teleport. Not run faster. Therefore he was not amped in any way in that fight.
shit, i found everything in one post:
Originally posted by darthgoober
I know that the Runner has his own respect thread, but I’m including him anyway because I don’t like the thought of leaving any of the Elder’s out of their own damn respect thread. But this is all comes strait from the Runner’s respect thread, so most of the credit goes to Inhuman for these scans…Here is his fight against Silver Surfer.
Runner defeats surfer almost effortlessly. Seems he was toying with him.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer1.jpg
Runner easily dodges pc blasts.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer2.jpg
Surfer gets pissed off...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer3.jpg
Runner slows down and confronts surfer hand to hand in a test of power.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer4.jpg
Surfer realizes that runner is much more powerful than he is. He is brought down to his knees and is defeated. Runner didnt look to be going all out at all.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer5.jpg
ps. - This battle was without the space gem.
Thanos has never been speed blitz by surfer, but runner was able to do it in this fight. Yeah , i know he had the gem. But lets look into the gem for a sec.
The elders didnt really tap into the gems full powers. some didnt even know they did anything at all. Or rarely taped into any of their power.
-Runner comented that he would SOMETIMES be so fast he was at a certain place just by thinking it. meaning instant travel. Meaning those specific times he would tap into the gem.
-In the thanos fight. I dont recall runner instant traveling. Im pretty sure he blitz thanos with his own speed. Because like I said before the elders rarily taped into the gems powers.Thanos is blitzed...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos1.jpg
Runner thinks that his speed is due to the gem...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos2.jpg
runner says that he was always fast but now he instant travels. Thanos has never witnessed such speed...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos3.jpg
more blitzing...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos4.jpg
Thanos tells runner of the infinity gems, thus stopping runner from blitzing...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos5.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos6.jpgThanos tells runner that it was a mistake that he stopped to listen to his story...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos7.jpg
Thanos tells runner that the gem [B]didnt make him faster
. It sometimes allowed him to instantaneously teleport. mentally.
That means Runner was always as fast as he apeared in this fight. He only taped into the gems power sometimes when he would teleport. He didnt teleport in this fight at all.
Thanos turns runner into an old man via the time gem he has.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos8.jpg
Here runner is turned to a child via time gem again...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos9.jpg
If thanos and runner didnt have infinity gems in that fight who knows 😖hifty:
Here thanos turns runner back to normal via time gem.
He realized what collectors plans were with baby runner. runner is pissed, and beats the hell out of the collector.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnercollector1.jpg
Here Runner displays telepathy, intangibility, and his patented “likeable” power. It’s also heavily implied that he can traverse multiple lightyears in moments…
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders14315lh5.jpgTraverses multiple galaxies with Moondragon
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders14316kx4.jpgProtects Moondragon with his presence…
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders14317fz7.jpg [/B]
i should have seen that before i scanned that stuff a while ago...
Originally posted by Black bolt z
IIRC it went like this.Surfer is flying at light speed around the universe as he does.
Runner comes up to surfer and they start chatting.
Surfer asks runner what he is doing here.
Runner says "I'm going to kill you"
Runner gives surfer as beatdown while surfer continues to like him to do his like-a-bility arua.
Runner KO's surfer on a Random planet where Mantis finds him and heals him back to full.
If this was without the Space Gem, then it's a low showing for Surfer. What other fights sans Gem has the Runner been in?
Yes. But the space gem lets you teleport. Not run faster. Therefore he was not amped in any way in that fight.
He was tapping into it's power during the fight and that's all that matters. We saw that without the Gem he would have lost to Buried Alien aka Flash and definitely lost to Makkari.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy is it a low showing for him? Runner doesn't have many showings so why can't those be his regular showings? Why can't runner just be that strong?
If this was without the Space Gem, then it's a low showing for Surfer. What other fights sans Gem has the Runner been in?He was tapping into it's power during the fight and that's all that matters. We saw that without the Gem he would have lost to Buried Alien aka Flash and definitely lost to Makkari.
Considering he didn't use the gem during the fight...no it doesn't matter.
And what don't you understand that that race is bullshit? Considering we know runner can go many times the speed of light but in that comic they say light is the fastest you can go?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Considering he didn't use the gem during the fight...no it doesn't matter.
Oh yes he did!
And what don't you understand that that race is bullshit? Considering we know runner can go many times the speed of light but in that comic they say light is the fastest you can go?
Look at the scans, quoting Runner :
"I even amaze myself. You know why I'm so fast? It's all because of this little beauty right here" (meaning the Gem)
"I was always fast but I never really knew what speed was until I got this little purple darling"
And why was he so fast with the Gem? Because he wasn't running, he was warping Space.
Originally posted by zopzopThe gem lets him teleport. He thought he was going faster because when he thought of a destination he was there in an instant so he thought the gem made him faster. It was just teleporting him there. It wasn't actually making him faster.
Oh yes he did!Look at the scans, quoting Runner :
"I even amaze myself. You know why I'm so fast? It's all because of this little beauty right here" (meaning the Gem)
"I was always fast but I never really knew what speed was until I got this little purple darling"
And why was he so fast with the Gem? Because he wasn't running, he was warping Space.
And by the way you can't pick and choose to respond to. Your leaving out points I make that prove you wrong.
Runner still stomps superman.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
The gem lets him teleport. He thought he was going faster because when he thought of a destination he was there in an instant so he thought the gem made him faster. It was just teleporting him there. It wasn't actually making him faster.And by the way you can't pick and choose to respond to. Your leaving out points I make that prove you wrong.
Runner still stomps superman.
What are you talking about? He himself said the Gem upped his speed, he just misunderstood how it was doing it.
We saw him lose to Makkari and he would have lost vs Buried if Buried didn't take himself out of the race to save Makkari. Without the Gem what has he been shown doing that's impressive? Beating the Surfer 20+ years ago isn't that impressive.
And what points of yours am I not responding to?
Originally posted by zopzopHe THOUGHT it amped his speed. It was actually teleporting him.
What are you talking about? He himself said the Gem upped his speed, he just misunderstood how it was doing it.We saw him lose to Makkari and he would have lost vs Buried if Buried didn't take himself out of the race to save Makkari. Without the Gem what has he been shown doing that's impressive? Beating the Surfer 20+ years ago isn't that impressive.
And what points of yours am I not responding to?
And we say the fastest Makkari could go is light speed. We know runner can go a lot faster then that. And why is beating surfer not impressive?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
He THOUGHT it amped his speed. It was actually teleporting him.
Exactly! That's the only reason he was moving so fast. Faster then he's ever been, he admitted so. He was subconsciously tapping into it's power.
And we say the fastest Makkari could go is light speed. We know runner can go a lot faster then that. And why is beating surfer not impressive?
A) On panel Runner lost to Makkari and would have lost to Buried. You can talk yourself horse but it won't change anything.
B) The Surfer fight was almost THIRTY YEARS ago. Show me what else he's got that makes you think he can take out Supes with PIS and CIS off?
