Originally posted by jinzin
oh woops... sorry, I'm tired (long weekend) I thought you said fisk was almost superhuman in strength. Woops.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I know what you mean. Batman put down Solomon Grundy.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I still have to see proof of how batman wins.
By being better at hand to hand than Cap WITH his super soldier serum, superior stats, likened skills, Fenris resistant armor, and shield. DD with his billy club, armor, and radar sense. Red skull with his likened skills and enhanced physical attributes. And Spiderman with his super strength, speed, reflexes, agility, durability, pre cog and webbing! 😱
BATKICK BABY!
Originally posted by jinzinYour logic is sound and secure. I concede 😛
By being better at hand to hand than Cap WITH his super soldier serum, superior stats, likened sills, Fenris resistant armor, and shield. DD with his billy club, armor, and radar sense. Red skull with his enhanced physical attributes. And Spiderman with his super strength, speed, reflexes, agility, durability, pre cog and webbing! 😱BATKICK BABY!
Originally posted by Lord KMC
High-end feat, on top of the fact that Parker was a lot weaker way back then.
Parker was STILL MUCH MUCH stronger than Batman and it's not a high end feat hence easily opening that vaulted door that DD couldn't, ripping a huge metal scaffold from it's roots and tearing an entire living room out from under itself. Plus the number of times that Spiderman commented on Fisk overpowering him, being incredibly strong.. This isn't some mystery.. Fisk was grossly superhuman, stronger than Batman by a healthy margin.
Originally posted by jinzin
Parker was STILL MUCH MUCH stronger than Batman and it's not a high end feat hence easily opening that vaulted door that DD couldn't, ripping a huge metal scaffold from it's roots and tearing an entire living room out from under itself. Plus the number of times that Spiderman commented on Fisk overpowering him, being incredibly strong.. This isn't some mystery.. Fisk was grossly superhuman, stronger than Batman by a healthy margin.
Originally posted by Lord KMCNever?
Fine, I'll concede the strength point. Though I reiterate - brute strength alone can never win a fight. That's why Parker always stomped Fisk's ass even though the latter "overpowered" him. Also, you're forgetting that Wayne held his own against Bane.
His strength and durability are way beyond batman.
Originally posted by Lord KMC
Fine, I'll concede the strength point. Though I reiterate - brute strength alone can never win a fight. That's why Parker always stomped Fisk's ass even though the latter "overpowered" him. Also, you're forgetting that Wayne held his own against Bane.
Parker rarely "stomped" Fisk, and typically had to pull out come-from-behind victories from his ass.
I never claimed brute strength was enough to ensure victory, but Fisk is incredibly skilled as well.
I'd say classic Fisk was much stronger than Bane WO Venom too. Though Bane's getting to those levels of strength, he wasn't when him and batman had their rematches. Plus Fisk is much heavier too.
agreed the bane of yester year when he fought bats is not the same as he is now. today bane is wtf wall pounding strong closer to what kingpin was in his classic days.
now for speed agility and whatnot they really werent deciding factors when kingpin was fighting Cap, Red skull and DD and they are all equal if not superior to bats.
no BS Bats isnt winning here b/c he is the good guy.
Anyone saying Pete used to beat Kingpin more often than not is wearing goggles from the 2000's. Not only did Fisk usually win, his only losses to Spidey until about 2008 came through plot devices.
The reason I made the KP respect thread was because when I was putting together the Spidey respect thread (the original one, not the current one), I couldn't believe how great Fisk did against him. It wasn't once, twice, plot devices, etc. It was ALWAYS. And then he'd perform an independent feat to confirm his level, like making a fool of Cap or Batman (both of which he did, albeit in a non-canon crossover for Bats) or easily crushing steel in his bare hands.
Also, for those trying to claim otherwise, his victories and stalemates against SM continued to come well after SM had been established as Class 10.
In other words, this fight isn't even close. Bruce would survive for a bit, get in some good strikes, and lose. Classic Kingpin 9/10
Originally posted by Digi
Anyone saying Pete used to beat Kingpin more often than not is wearing goggles from the 2000's. Not only did Fisk usually win, his only losses to Spidey until about 2008 came through plot devices.The reason I made the KP respect thread was because when I was putting together the Spidey respect thread (the original one, not the current one), I couldn't believe how great Fisk did against him. It wasn't once, twice, plot devices, etc. It was ALWAYS. And then he'd perform an independent feat to confirm his level, like making a fool of Cap or Batman (both of which he did, albeit in a non-canon crossover for Bats) or easily crushing steel in his bare hands.
Also, for those trying to claim otherwise, his victories and stalemates against SM continued to come well after SM had been established as Class 10.
In other words, this fight isn't even close. Bruce would survive for a bit, get in some good strikes, and lose. Classic Kingpin 9/10
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