Thanos can 2-3 shot heralds since he's done that in the past, but he ain't catching Clark with more than one beastly shot that easily. By the time Supes feels one of Thanos's attack, he can go evasive/defensive faster than you can think. He's too smart for that. I find it hard for Thanos to take Supes down that easily.
Originally posted by Bentley
Not per se disagreeing with your reasoning, I just want to point out that neither the TI version or Drax nor Warlock have a tenth of Superman's durability. You can make an argument of when Thanos killed Surfer though...
Originally posted by 753
well drax is just a meta and as far as we know being the avatar of life is just symbolic, he doenst have special powers because of that. AW was powerfull indeed, but not the most durable of the heralds. thanos performances against SS are more impressive and a better indication he shouldnt take too long to pummel SM down.
Well you both touched on a point that I brought up.. I just didn't expand upon it because its has been brought up ad nausea (I refereced 7 punches - which is what it took to kill Surfer) However, for that battle he wasn't taking Surfer serious and letting him attack him and let him get back up. So that isn't Thanos getting serious imo, and it's been brought up too much. I think killing Warlock, Drax & Phyla make this point clear. Thanos has the power to one shot kill heralds. Supes and flash.. never have done such a thing (villian or otherwise) Granted they are heroes.. but they still haven't.
Now, Drax is no Meta.. and I think you should take a look at the tiers thread again... Thanos previously has been shown to fight drax and exchange punches.. blasts.. etc etc.. but Dumb Drax or Drax wasn't killed. Yet when Thanos was enraged by being rejected by death.. He was shot killed Drax with ease while weakened. Same with Phyla. I don't know how the Avatar of life doesn't come with any special powers? Certainly you jest. Tha would be illogical for that to be the case. Granted we don't know what powers were bestowed on either Thanos or Drax... but hey certainly got something as they were being empowered and granted such title by abstracts.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well you both touched on a point that I brought up.. I just didn't expand upon it because its has been brought up ad nausea (I refereced 7 punches - which is what it took to kill Surfer) However, for that battle he wasn't taking Surfer serious and letting him attack him and let him get back up. So that isn't Thanos getting serious imo, and it's been brought up too much. I think killing Warlock, Drax & Phyla make this point clear. Thanos has the power to one shot kill heralds. Supes and flash.. never have done such a thing (villian or otherwise) Granted they are heroes.. but they still haven't.Now, Drax is no Meta.. and I think you should take a look at the tiers thread again... Thanos previously has been shown to fight drax and exchange punches.. blasts.. etc etc.. but Dumb Drax or Drax wasn't killed. Yet when Thanos was enraged by being rejected by death.. He was shot killed Drax with ease while weakened. Same with Phyla. I don't know how the Avatar of life doesn't come with any special powers? Certainly you jest. Tha would be illogical for that to be the case. Granted we don't know what powers were bestowed on either Thanos or Drax... but hey certainly got something as they were being empowered and granted such title by abstracts.
I think you're wrong about Drax. I believe it was stated in either Annihilation or Annihilation Nova that he is not the same in terms of power.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosithe original drax was a powerhouse in the herald class. but the intelligent skinny drax that emerged in annihilation prologue was just a meta in terms of power level. stayed that way all throughout annihilation, conquest and GoG. he relied on tactics, weaponry and extreme h2h expertise. Well, as i understand it, thanos got to be rejected by death, which makes him immortal, but no specific power amp was ever mentioned. drax never displayed any special powers either, except for the green energy signature that apparently hacked thanos's defenses and let him tear his heart out (which I believe was the way he was designed by the titans, not some power bestowed upon him by epoch or eternity) but none of this was shown in the TI arc ,he just resorted to prep with a special weapon.
Well you both touched on a point that I brought up.. I just didn't expand upon it because its has been brought up ad nausea (I refereced 7 punches - which is what it took to kill Surfer) However, for that battle he wasn't taking Surfer serious and letting him attack him and let him get back up. So that isn't Thanos getting serious imo, and it's been brought up too much. I think killing Warlock, Drax & Phyla make this point clear. Thanos has the power to one shot kill heralds. Supes and flash.. never have done such a thing (villian or otherwise) Granted they are heroes.. but they still haven't.Now, Drax is no Meta.. and I think you should take a look at the tiers thread again... Thanos previously has been shown to fight drax and exchange punches.. blasts.. etc etc.. but Dumb Drax or Drax wasn't killed. Yet when Thanos was enraged by being rejected by death.. He was shot killed Drax with ease while weakened. Same with Phyla. I don't know how the Avatar of life doesn't come with any special powers? Certainly you jest. Tha would be illogical for that to be the case. Granted we don't know what powers were bestowed on either Thanos or Drax... but hey certainly got something as they were being empowered and granted such title by abstracts.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Could you please post for me the relevant scans or quote for me where it says that Drax became at Meta in Annilation? I know his appearance did change and I can see why you came to the conclusions you did. I'm just curious what it says on panel as I haven't read Anni in awhile.
Well, it's listed as a 50 tonner somewhere, but I think in his latest bio he was said to be much weaker. If you need feats for consideration on depowering you can just see some of his emblematic fights such as Maelstrom stomping him with and without the Quantum Bands, he being absolutely crushed by Phalanx infected Nova and several of the battles in his original mini implied so too. If you compare this to the guy who was slapping Hulk around and destroying planets/stars it's really a HUGE decrease on power.
(The battle against Nova is in both Drax's and Nova's respect thread)
Edit: I think I have the bio somewhere, but I haven't uploaded the scans.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It really depends on how serious Thanos gets right away.. We've seen him ONE shot KILL High Heralds previously. His weakest version to date One shot killed Warlock. Recently when he was pissed he one shot killed Drax (Avatar of life). IF he's that serious.. I certainly don't jest and Supes is 2 or 3 shot at the most. If he's not serious and clowing on people... I would say about 7 should do the trick. The point is neither Flash nor Supes have attacked an opponent they have never faced before with a super speed blitz right away at full power. Please show me them EVER doing so and we'll go from there.
Superman is far more durable than the Silver Surfer. The SS has probably the worst glass jaw in the history of top tier heroes. Thanos is NOT 2 or 3 shotting Superman. In fact, from what I can tell, Superman seems MORE DURABLE than Thanos.
Here’s how well Thanos did with an artificially created MINI-BLACK HOLE.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/ThanosBlackHole1.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/ThanosBlackHole2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/ThanosBlackHole3.jpg
Survived it, but not exactly in peak condition after.
Here’s a much weaker than current Superman dealing with traveling through a wormhole, two black holes connected.
And here’s Superman at a higher level of power than in the previous scans, but still less powerful than currently, dealing with a “double black hole” apparently.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
Both times he’s uninjured and fine.
Here’s Superman CONTAINING a black hole in his hands, keeping it from expanding.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view¤t=JLA07719.jpg
Now, I'm not claiming Superman > Thanos. But I am claiming this TEAM would absolutely curbstomp Thanos.
i like to point out that worm holes are somewhat saver for travel and dont have the same negative effects as a black hole.
aside from that superman in that scan had his powers fluctuating to higher lvls and wasnt at his norm during the period of time.
in one of the other scans twin blackhole superman wasnt under the force of both black holes he simply was in sort of safe zone between forces canceling each other out using the bottle neck effect to escape its gravity pull..
the holding a mini black is impressive but not impressive enough since it was a minatuer one no telling how powerful it was comparative to a larger average one.
Thanos has also had other durability feats aside from that black whole from being torn and ripped apart through some universal upheaval maelstrom which he tanked and ignored completely for:
"he is Thanos"
Originally posted by King Castle
i like to point out that worm holes are somewhat saver for travel and dont have the same negative effects as a black hole.aside from that superman in that scan had his powers fluctuating to higher lvls and wasnt at his norm during the period of time.
Thanos has also had other durability feats aside from that black whole from being torn and ripped apart through some universal upheaval maelstrom which he tanked and ignored completely for:
"he is Thanos"
Yeah, but Superman has MUCH better durability feats than those as well. I was just trying to find something similar that they both faced.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Could you please post for me the relevant scans or quote for me where it says that Drax became at Meta in Annilation? I know his appearance did change and I can see why you came to the conclusions you did. I'm just curious what it says on panel as I haven't read Anni in awhile.
hmm... i just looked over annihilation nova #2 and it does say he's different. doesnt quite say how different, but there were a couple things in the Xandarian Worldmind's data base on him. His DNA has has fundamentally changed. He posseses super str, enhanced endurance and durability. States that he's also extremely skilled in military tactics and H2H combat. We also notice throughout the book that he can't fly.
That's all i got.
😛
Actually, you seem to be under the impression that Superman's durability is greater than Surfer's ( by a lot) and even claim it's greater than Thanos's... I disagree on both accounts.
you seem to forget that Surfer has very very good durability. Sure there are some low showings Karnak (but really that is his speciality and I fully believe could do so to Supes) The Thanos showing isn't low imo because if Thanos punched Supes 7 times, while amping his punches, he would KO Supes easily. However, surfer also has good durability feats as well.. The T&A feat is one that certainly shows his high durability. I would also include taking shots and going toe to toe with Savage Hulk and not showing any signs of damage. Let's also not forget that I've never seen Surfer cut or pierced in anyway. I have seen Supes impaled and cut many a time. To say Supes is far above surfer in the durability department, is well, wrong.
Comparing him to Thanos... nah, I don't even think it's close. Lets referece Konvict one shotting him. Zod one shotting him and breaking his jaw. Despero one shotting him. DS treating him like a fly and swatting him away. Being put down by MM.. How about gas stations.. lol. In all seriousness though... Please reference for me the times Thanos has gotten a broken jaw from a punch or been one shot from a punch. It hasn't EVER happened. He's taken shots from Drax, Hulk, Thor with and without the PG, Magus with the IG, His own more power doppleganger... all these for blunt force trauma and he wasn't ever Ko'd. Piercing those aren't really around either except one incident which stunk like PIS. Besides that.. nada. So he doesn't get cut or damage by blunt force trauma as much as supes.. yet supes is more durable? Maybe you were joking... nah.. it doesn't seem so
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yeah, but Superman has MUCH better durability feats than those as well. I was just trying to find something similar that they both faced.
See my post above and also remember... That blank hole was CREATED to kill Thanos. Yet him surviving isn't as impressive as Supes being a worm hole (with less effects than a black hole)?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
hmm... i just looked over annihilation nova #2 and it does say he's different. doesnt quite say how different, but there were a couple things in the Xandarian Worldmind's data base on him. His DNA has has fundamentally changed. He posseses super str, enhanced endurance and durability. States that he's also extremely skilled in military tactics and H2H combat. We also notice throughout the book that he can't fly.
That's all i got.😛
Right but I saw nothing stated on panel that he's now meta and not a herald anymore. I think that is rubbish.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but I saw nothing stated on panel that he's now meta and not a herald anymore. I think that is rubbish.
To be fair, new Drax is stated to be a new characters and has no feats or whatsoever to put him in the herald category. I mean, he was manhandled by Nova, Maelstrom, the Matriarch, he admitted some random Luminals could be a problem for him, he was unable to break from a random quantum construct and he got ohkoed by Gladiator's half-_ssed speed blitz. None of those things allow him to be anywhere close to the herald category...
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thanos beating the Maker who according to Gladiator was the most powerful being the known universe is a big deal too. This team doesn't even win once against Thanos.
I'll take Galactus word over Gladiators any day of the week, and to Galactus Tenebrous and Aegis was more dangerous to the well being of the universe then the Makers power was.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but I saw nothing stated on panel that he's now meta and not a herald anymore. I think that is rubbish.
I consider Nova Prime around mid herald. He absolutely embarrassed this Drax. He basically toyed with him. If that's not proof enough i don't know what is. Let's add the other obvious reasons besides his loss in durability and str. He can't fly and can't produce energy based attacks. I've seen the old drax fly in hyperspace, match the hulk in strength, enter a sun without as much as a tickle, and give heralds like the Surfer a handful. There is no way he is a herald.
I agree he does seem weaker these days.. However, like anything.. these could just be low showings like other characters go through periods of. It could be a permanent downgrade in power. What I'm saying is whether Nova did this or Quasar did that..none of them one shot killed drax while weakened.. which is exactly what thanos did with ease.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
See my post above and also remember... That blank hole was CREATED to kill Thanos. Yet him surviving isn't as impressive as Supes being a worm hole (with less effects than a black hole)?
Nice job attacking the wormhole example but ignoring the other two. The scan said MINI BLACK hole. A MINI BLACK HOLE did that to Thanos. And the scan doesn't say the black hole is somehow more powerful because it was made to attack thanos. A mini black hole is a mini black hole. Superman held a mini black hole in his hands.
And there's VITAL information you're leaving out with every single one of those low balling examples with Superman (i.e. the gas station...did you read that comic, and did you know what happened to Superman BEFORE that and that its not even the same Superman as is currently portrayed?). And that's just one example. I might as well bring up the Thing knocking the SS on his ass. And yes, SS has high end feats as well, but mostly against energy attacks and most of it involves what is called "space cheese". His showings are good in space, but when he is on a planet they tend to go WAY down. Also, he didn't look too durable during the god hunter saga. But this is off topic anyway.
And again, I didn't claim Superman > Thanos. I'm saying the difference isn't what everyone seems to think it is.
And this isn't a Superman vs Thanos debate. This is Superman and a pretty powerful team all against Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree he does seem weaker these days.. However, like anything.. these could just be low showings like other characters go through periods of. It could be a permanent downgrade in power. What I'm saying is whether Nova did this or Quasar did that..none of them one shot killed drax while weakened.. which is exactly what thanos did with ease.
All of them were toying around with him, it's in the panels. Also, those are average showings, Drax is dead so those are all the showings we're going to get too. (Gladiator did ohko Drax)
