Team JLA Vs. Thanos

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree he does seem weaker these days.. However, like anything.. these could just be low showings like other characters go through periods of. It could be a permanent downgrade in power. What I'm saying is whether Nova did this or Quasar did that..none of them one shot killed drax while weakened.. which is exactly what thanos did with ease.

Thanos had intent to kill Drax. Nova was toying with him, almost pleading for him to stay down. He didn't want to use lethal force on him at all. Drax was severely out classed here.

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no way is Drax herald here.

i agree that current Thanos appears weaker simply being lack of re establishing his power set or the writers literally are watering him down but their is no clear cut distinction as of yet. I would still use Thanos at his best but within CIs which is why i see him killing a few of the heralds before going down.

i also have issues with the Superman being better at durability since on average SS is a space dweller dealing with similar phenomenal as Superman if not more so and higher.

iirc when SS was bombarded with the weight of the multiverse which he tanked liquefied under the pressure and then solidified

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Nice job attacking the wormhole example but ignoring the other two. The scan said MINI BLACK hole. A MINI BLACK HOLE did that to Thanos. And the scan doesn't say the black hole is somehow more powerful because it was made to attack thanos. A mini black hole is a mini black hole. Superman held a mini black hole in his hands.

And there's VITAL information you're leaving out with every single one of those low balling examples with Superman (i.e. the gas station...did you read that comic, and did you know what happened to Superman BEFORE that and that its not even the same Superman as is currently portrayed?). And that's just one example. I might as well bring up the Thing knocking the SS on his ass. And yes, SS has high end feats as well, but mostly against energy attacks and most of it involves what is called "space cheese". His showings are good in space, but when he is on a planet they tend to go WAY down. Also, he didn't look too durable during the god hunter saga. But this is off topic anyway.

And again, I didn't claim Superman > Thanos. I'm saying the difference isn't what everyone seems to think it is.

And this isn't a Superman vs Thanos debate. This is Superman and a pretty powerful team all against Thanos.

I'm really unclear what you're now saying. You acted like Superman and equivalent durability to Thanos and far superior to that of Surfer.. is this now that your stance?

Furthermore, exactly what was I leaving out of the Konvict and Zod examples? As well as the piercing examples?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm really unclear what you're now saying. You acted like Superman and equivalent durability to Thanos and far superior to that of Surfer.. is this now that your stance?

Furthermore, exactly what was I leaving out of the Konvict and Zod examples? As well as the piercing examples?

Well, I'll make it as clear as I can. In my opinion Thanos has better durability than Superman, but not by a lot (and not even really from HIGH END feats...i.e. see Superman taking 50 supernovas: http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/18eh0.jpg), and Superman has much better durability than the SS. Is my stance clear enough now?

And you still haven't replied to my other 2 black hole examples from Superman, and explained how the MINI-BLACK HOLE that wrecked Thanos was somehow more powerful because it was made to attack Thanos. I didn't see any proof that it bas more powerful than any other mini black hole (such as the one Superman held in his hands and received no damage from).

For every low balling example you gave, many of which were missing context, I can name many more from the SS WITH CONTEXT that make him look very bad.

And if we're going to low ball Superman with him getting knocked out by General Zod (who is A HELL OF A LOT more powerful than the THING who knocked the SS on his ass) then we can also low ball Thanos who was pierced by a street level character and DEFEATED by Squirrel Girl.

But again, we're talking about one character on this team, and there are 3 others (at least) who are each nearly as powerful or just as powerful as Superman. This fight is so lopsided I can't believe anyone is so blinded by fanboyism to think that Thanos can take this even once, nevermind for a majority.

is 50x the size of keplers super nova = to the force of 50 supernovas?
hmm.....
any ideas?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
is 50x the size of keplers super nova = to the force of 50 supernovas?
hmm.....
any ideas?

Why wouldn't it be?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, I'll make it as clear as I can. In my opinion Thanos has better durability than Superman, but not by a lot (and not even really from HIGH END feats...i.e. see Superman taking 50 supernovas: http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/18eh0.jpg), and Superman has much better durability than the SS. Is my stance clear enough now?

And you still haven't replied to my other 2 black hole examples from Superman, and explained how the MINI-BLACK HOLE that wrecked Thanos was somehow more powerful because it was made to attack Thanos. I didn't see any proof that it bas more powerful than any other mini black hole (such as the one Superman held in his hands and received no damage from).

For every low balling example you gave, many of which were missing context, I can name many more from the SS WITH CONTEXT that make him look very bad.

And if we're going to low ball Superman with him getting knocked out by General Zod (who is A HELL OF A LOT more powerful than the THING who knocked the SS on his ass) then we can also low ball Thanos who was pierced by a street level character and DEFEATED by Squirrel Girl.

But again, we're talking about one character on this team, and there are 3 others (at least) who are each nearly as powerful or just as powerful as Superman. This fight is so lopsided I can't believe anyone is so blinded by fanboyism to think that Thanos can take this even once, nevermind for a majority.

Well it's a little more clear but I still disagree on the Surfer angle of things. I do agree Thanos has better durability than Supes though, so we are on the same page there.

There was nothing to talk about with your black holes example, and in fact, they weren't very compelling at all. First, Thanos wasn't "wrecked" by the black hole like you claim. In fact, he had a few sores and tattered clothes... any lasting damage... none at all. The reason why Thanos surviving it is more impressive is because of Thanos doesn't fly at the speeds Supes does. This is how Supes can go in an out of black holes. When you can travel as fast as supes that makes such an endeavor EXPONENTIONALLY easier than willing yourself out slowly but surely and being exposed to more forces. I won't even comment on mini black holes in Supes hands and that is comical. Do we need to get into the physics of why it's lame?

Right so there wasn't any context left out then.. Good I'm glad we agree as you brought up no context missing. So getting a BROKEN JAW and KO'd by a more powerful Zod is more impressive then just getting knocked down (with NO lasting damage) by the brick Thing. I failed to see how that is more impressive. In fact, it's worse, as I claimed it was.

Lastly, you're forgetting that many of these guys are one - three shot pretty quickly. I'm not saying Thanos wins a majority nor that it would be ease. I do see Thanos getting some victories simply because his firepower is significantly better than anyone on this team.. and his durability is significantly better than anyone on this team. If we are talking about current Thanos.. he would certainly win as he can't die and would just reform. I figured we were talking about pre T.I. Thanos. That thanos.. would indeed have a tough time, but certainly would take some wins.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, I'll make it as clear as I can. In my opinion Thanos has better durability than Superman, but not by a lot (and not even really from HIGH END feats...i.e. see Superman taking 50 supernovas: http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/DURABILITY/18eh0.jpg), and Superman has much better durability than the SS. Is my stance clear enough now?

And you still haven't replied to my other 2 black hole examples from Superman, and explained how the MINI-BLACK HOLE that wrecked Thanos was somehow more powerful because it was made to attack Thanos. I didn't see any proof that it bas more powerful than any other mini black hole (such as the one Superman held in his hands and received no damage from).

For every low balling example you gave, many of which were missing context, I can name many more from the SS WITH CONTEXT that make him look very bad.

And if we're going to low ball Superman with him getting knocked out by General Zod (who is A HELL OF A LOT more powerful than the THING who knocked the SS on his ass) then we can also low ball Thanos who was pierced by a street level character and DEFEATED by Squirrel Girl.

But again, we're talking about one character on this team, and there are 3 others (at least) who are each nearly as powerful or just as powerful as Superman. This fight is so lopsided I can't believe anyone is so blinded by fanboyism to think that Thanos can take this even once, nevermind for a majority.

Superman didn't hold a black hole in his hand, he held a contained blackhole in his hand.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well it's a little more clear but I still disagree on the Surfer angle of things. I do agree Thanos has better durability than Supes though, so we are on the same page there.

There was nothing to talk about with your black holes example, and in fact, they weren't very compelling at all. First, Thanos wasn't "wrecked" by the black hole like you claim. In fact, he had a few sores and tattered clothes... any lasting damage... none at all. The reason why Thanos surviving it is more impressive is because of Thanos doesn't fly at the speeds Supes does. This is how Supes can go in an out of black holes. When you can travel as fast as supes that makes such an endeavor EXPONENTIONALLY easier than willing yourself out slowly but surely and being exposed to more forces. I won't even comment on mini black holes in Supes hands and that is comical. Do we need to get into the physics of why it's lame?

Right so there wasn't any context left out then.. Good I'm glad we agree as you brought up no context missing. So getting a BROKEN JAW and KO'd by a more powerful Zod is more impressive then just getting knocked down (with NO lasting damage) by the brick Thing. I failed to see how that is more impressive. In fact, it's worse, as I claimed it was.

Lastly, you're forgetting that many of these guys are one - three shot pretty quickly. I'm not saying Thanos wins a majority nor that it would be ease. I do see Thanos getting some victories simply because his firepower is significantly better than anyone on this team.. and his durability is significantly better than anyone on this team. If we are talking about current Thanos.. he would certainly win as he can't die and would just reform. I figured we were talking about pre T.I. Thanos. That thanos.. would indeed have a tough time, but certainly would take some wins.

Again, most of the examples you provided of lowballing superman leave out context. For one, the Zod incident wasn’t pure strength, that’s leaving out context. There was superspeed in involved and not only that, but this is freaking Zod we're talking about, not squirrel girl or the thing. And Superman wasn’t even knocked-out like you said he was at first. And you bring up Superman getting treated like a fly by Darkseid, but forget that SS has been treated the same way by Thanos and Odin. But at least Superman has defeated Darkseid before.

And besides the Thing, we have low showings with the SS involving Black Panther, the Rhino and Nick Fury. He's been AMPED and beaten by Thor who was holding back. That is on the same level has a "defeat" by Zod. SS couldn't get past the technological defences of I'than Prime, which consisted of some robots and space ships. In fact, we've seen him taken out by lazers on multiple occasions.

Getting KO-ed by Squirrel Girl is worse than having one's jaw broken by someone who has the same powers as you do.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view&current=somuchforinvulnerable.jpg

And yes, Thanos can one shot characters on this team, but hitting many of them is a big problem.

okay this has gone too far with the lowballing.
squirrel girl of all ppl has no place in a forum discussion especially for lowballing

either way it doesnt even matter due to already acknowledging who is physically superior in blunt trauma from herald lvl opponents anything else is simply being pissy.

I will agree one on one Thanos takes anyone on the team. But all of these guys combined is far too much for him.

the argument really started when people said he would kill some and yes i believe he could one shot a few under the right condition and if not bludgeon to death with some good handful hits.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Again, most of the examples you provided of lowballing superman leave out context. For one, the Zod incident wasn’t pure strength, that’s leaving out context. There was superspeed in involved and not only that, but this is freaking Zod we're talking about, not squirrel girl or the thing. And Superman wasn’t even knocked-out like you said he was at first. And you bring up Superman getting treated like a fly by Darkseid, but forget that SS has been treated the same way by Thanos and Odin. But at least Superman has defeated Darkseid before.

And besides the Thing, we have low showings with the SS involving Black Panther, the Rhino and Nick Fury. He's been AMPED and beaten by Thor who was holding back. That is on the same level has a "defeat" by Zod. SS couldn't get past the technological defences of I'than Prime, which consisted of some robots and space ships. In fact, we've seen him taken out by lazers on multiple occasions.

Getting KO-ed by Squirrel Girl is worse than having one's jaw broken by someone who has the same powers as you do.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/?action=view&current=somuchforinvulnerable.jpg

And yes, Thanos can one shot characters on this team, but hitting many of them is a big problem.

And 😂 at having to use Squirrel Girl as part of your argument, its always a true sign of desperation when people use that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos can and has used omni directional blasts several times that hit groups of people at once.

And 😂 at having to use Squirrel Girl as part of your argument, its always a true sign of desperation when people use that.

Actually, if you read the debate, I only brought up squirrel girl in response to the gas station explosion being brought up about Superman. And an omni-directional blast will have to be pretty fast to catch the Flash.

Did he actually use Squirrel Girl BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH. The same SG who has never lost EVER? The same SG that easily pwned Big G with ease? Right... what a horrible lose that was... certainly far worse than having your jaw broken by one punch 🙄

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Actually, if you read the debate, I only brought up squirrel girl in response to the gas station explosion being brought up about Superman. And an omni-directional blast will have to be pretty fast to catch the Flash.

Originally posted by King Castle

Where is that from?

flash would get hit b/c he wouldnt see it coming due to the travel speed of light let alone not knowing the attack itself being pulled off.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Where is that from?

Were classic drax's eye always red?