Originally posted by Placidity
I never said there was no correlation.I said, I have not seen proof there is a correlation.
K.
Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, we agree your statements are not scientific.
That's a relief that we agree there. I never intended for my findings to be peer reviewed and duplicated primarily because I lacked 2 Hypothesis and a null hypothesis. dur
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Originally posted by Placidity
Probably not hundreds of thousands.
Relevant variables: less than 5.
Originally posted by Placidity
Certainly more than you're admitting.
Far less than you think.
Originally posted by Placidity
And it is very complex to prove correlation, let alone causation which I've noticed you still have not touched upon.
Nah. This is a message board about a very very simple point. This isn't some sort of scientific council over an important medical breakthrough that requires rigorous effort.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't want you to measure anything, because as you say, it'll be silly to attempt it.
That, or you know that you'll come up with the same thing I did: RJ makes posts a lot and others post more when he's around.
I actually think it's a combination of both. You think it's difficult to try and you don't want to prove that RJ is influencing the MVF as much as he does.
Originally posted by Placidity
And because you can't possibly gather the required data and proof, your claims are not backed up. Thats pretty much my point.
Nah. It's obvious that RJ makes others post more when he's around. It doesn't require a silly project of epic proportions to see that.
Originally posted by Placidity
That doesn't change my thoughts no. Could you be right? Possibly, I never said your theory was wrong, but the way you arrived to your conclusion is very speculative (far from scientific), yet you've presented it as more than that.
Darn. I thought it would. Seemed that it would be an important fact to you since you listed it as an important variable to consider (which I had done, already. AC, up until the end of his KMC life, would be a good example of him impacting the results.)
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't have to prove anything. I never made any claims, only that yours are not backed by proof.
K.
Originally posted by Placidity
Being busy, or someone else being banned are only examples I thought of from the top of my head. There are many other possible variables. I'm sure you could think of some if you tried/wanted to.
Relevant variables? No, not really that are relevant or would significantly impact are very very simple correlation.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't know if it is a coincidence. As I said, there could be many variables influencing what you have observed.Sometimes things LOOK like they correlate but when you do run regression analysis on the data, 99% CI etc etc, you may find it is the relationship is weak. And even if you DO prove strong correlation (which I suspect you would not due to the ridiculously small sample size), that is still no basis to say that one event CAUSES the other.
It can ONLY be weak due to RJ's posts and posts about/to RJ being only a fraction of the total posts that occur. However, it is not "weak weak" meaning two things:
1. One analysis could result in 2 standard deviations and another analysis results in no standard deviation regarding RJ's presence. This means that the data are simple enough to not allow for statistical hokey pokey, which occurs quite often in the real world.
2. RJ makes enough posts to make a "statistically significant"* impact on MVF traffic.
*This can mean anything I want it to mean and it is sometimes used by statisticians to mean anything they want. What this means is that, no matter what, I'M RIGHT! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Originally posted by Placidity
Because I like engaging in intelligent debates.We both know that Omega Spawn is just trying to get to RJ (which RJ deserves 110% 😆 ).
See, I KNEW it! 😆
Originally posted by Placidity
Um nothing to do with it. I didn't make any recent posts with animosity towards RJ in mind. Sure I get frustrated with his trolling sometimes, but its not something I take to heart. Each new thread I go in with a neutral attitude until he says silly things again.Your read was way off this time. You should know I only debate with people I think are capable of doing it in an intelligent manner, except RJ of course, because he has special troll and baiting skills.
Are you sure? I have a hard time believing that you do that with RJ (clean slate, each thread) considering how heated things get between you two. Certainly attacking his position as "important" would be something one would do if they deem the person an enemy or at least an annoyance. OS seems to think of RJ that way, no doubt.
As fact, it is near impossible for you to go into each thread giving each person a "clean slate", much less one particular poster gave you trouble. It's an often studied phenomena called cognitive dissonance (you hold his previous actions as negative and, therefore, reach a dissonant state with your idea of "pretend as if nothing happened, previously"😉. Even if you are not aware of using priori and past experience, you still do it. It is in your nature as a thinking human being to do so. So when someone speaks of a nirvana-level ability to avoid bringing in the past when thinking about and/or discussing topics with others, I call BS: too much psychological work takes a gigantic dump on that claim.
However, and this is a giant however, if you say you give a clean slate with each and every new thread, to RJ, I'll believe it. You may actually think twice before responding because you are consciously trying to give him a clean slate. If that's that case, then, yeah, it's possible you give him a "fair shake" each time...but it's just really hard to believe you could pull that off. There's a saying in our office where I work, "Your bias is showing. Bumblebee tuna." I think that applies to this discussion...but, I'll pretend to believe you to be nice.
Originally posted by Placidity
I'm not interested in explaining it, nor could I do it if I wanted to.
Cool. It seems pretty simple, to me.
Originally posted by Placidity
If you make a claim, then the onus is on you to defend against people poking holes in it, not the other way round.
I disagree. The onus is on the other person attempting to poke holes in it, to prove that there is something wrong. This is the way it also works in the scientific community. You have the method. You have access to the same data. You can easily show something contradictory, if a contradiction exists. Show that posts increased when RJ was gone. You can claim some sort of strange higher academic ground based on a logic 101 class where you claim that my "then Q" is wrong, but be honest: saying that RJ doesn't create traffic would be a lie, no matter how you tried to justify it via an academic approach to logic. Regardless of what you can come up with as a counter, I always have the grounds that his posts were absent causing a smaller amount of posts to occur in the MVF, meaning, RJ creates more traffic when he posts: tautology for the win. 😆
I WIN! I WIN! WEEEEEE!
Originally posted by Placidity
ISummary: Your 'theory' (I call it one, but I don't think it qualifies) COULD be right, but in the absence of proof, a theory is all it is.About the point of traffic being good (for owners), well thats likely true, but thats another topic. The traffic might not be good for users though, if it was all just trolling/genuine points being ignored for many pages.
And please, make your posts shorter next time (not that I really want to debate this thing any more, its getting boring (not saying its you, but just the nature of it)), its hard trying to reply to everything... 🙁
Nah. It's not a theory. It's a fact. I do not aim to painstakingly try to reproduce the results because I would have to use Google and KMC search function in a very very long and drawn out fashion.
I did not spell check...cause I was in a hurry. So, my reply may be crap.
Here's the general idea, though:
When RJ posts, he increases traffic. When RJ doesn't post, he decreases traffic. 😆
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
1st off all thats not data thats a statement from other who browse KMF & dislike the trolling in MVF 😬
No, that's a claim by you saying that traffic is decreased by RJ's presence. Prove it.
And the "data" is the post a quoted. It's information/data that shows you made a lame and false claim.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
it says ill concieved data right above my post asking you where i presented ill concieved data 😆
No it doesn't.
Quote a post of mine, from this thread, where I said that.
Originally posted by dadudemonsee you missed the part where people say they dont like MVF because of RJ's trolling 😬 its a quote LOL you fail dude
No, that's a claim by you saying that traffic is decreased by RJ's presence. Prove it.And the "data" is the post a quoted. It's information/data that shows you made a lame and false claim.
No it doesn't.
Quote a post of mine, from this thread, where I said that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you sure? I have a hard time believing that you do that with RJ (clean slate, each thread) considering how heated things get between you two. Certainly attacking his position as "important" would be something one would do if they deem the person an enemy or at least an annoyance. OS seems to think of RJ that way, no doubt.As fact, it is near impossible for you to go into each thread giving each person a "clean slate", much less one particular poster gave you trouble. It's an often studied phenomena called cognitive dissonance (you hold his previous actions as negative and, therefore, reach a dissonant state with your idea of "pretend as if nothing happened, previously"😉. Even if you are not aware of using priori and past experience, you still do it. It is in your nature as a thinking human being to do so. So when someone speaks of a nirvana-level ability to avoid bringing in the past when thinking about and/or discussing topics with others, I call BS: too much psychological work takes a gigantic dump on that claim.
However, and this is a giant however, if you say you give a clean slate with each and every new thread, to RJ, I'll believe it. You may actually think twice before responding because you are consciously trying to give him a clean slate. If that's that case, then, yeah, it's possible you give him a "fair shake" each time...but it's just really hard to believe you could pull that off. There's a saying in our office where I work, "Your bias is showing. Bumblebee tuna." I think that applies to this discussion...but, I'll pretend to believe you to be nice.
Well, I don't know if its 'nice' or bad memory, sometimes I genuinely don't remember the past enough to illicit ill feelings (i would like to think its being nice lol, but I'm probably only as 'nice' as the average person).
For example, I got into a heated argument (about serious topics, i.e not which fictional character would win) with someone else on another forum. It turned into name calling and insults etc etc. That was probably 1-2 months ago. Recently, I disagreed with the same poster again, and he said its because he 'owned me' in the previous debate isn't it? I honestly did not even remember all the negative stuff that went on in the debate until I revisited it (he linked it for everyone to see obviously). So it looks to me like bad memory, or somehow I don't view these debates as important enough to commit to memory, subconsciously or whatever.
Thats not to say I don't remember RJ being a troll and making spite threads all the time, hell no, thats his rep in here, but I don't feel badly about him. Not right now anyway. When RJ does silly things again, sure I get frustrated and show certain dislike, but after that, it fades quickly. It's funny you think I need to pretend to not hate RJ. You've undoubtedly seen some of the past heated exchanges, I don't hide anything, nor do I need to.
It's weird though, because there are some people I do distinctly dislike, and it stays that way. For example one or two guys in the Comics Vs forum (and of course many other instances). So your theory fits in somewhere...
I guess I've always seen RJ as a bit of a goofy guy (lol), so I don't take things that seriously.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
see you missed the part where people say they dont like MVF because of RJ's trolling 😬
This avoids the actual problem I pointed out. You can't back up what I pointed out that you said.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
its a quote LOL you fail dude
Data:
Individiaul facts.
A body of facts.
Items of information.
A quote from you indicating an unproven claim = data of you indicating an unproven claim.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
and it does say ill concieved data above my post asking where i 1st presented ill concieved data 😬
It does not. A "Ctrl+f" quickly destroys that idea of yours. You have yet to quote it.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
its also hard to find since you re'edited your post 😆
Right. I had time to edit my post just to prove a kid wrong on the internet. 😬
How about it saying, "Ill-concieved idea" instead of data, sir?
Originally posted by Placidity
Well, I don't know if its 'nice' or bad memory, sometimes I genuinely don't remember the past enough to illicit ill feelings (i would like to think its being nice lol, but I'm probably only as 'nice' as the average person).For example, I got into a heated argument (about serious topics, i.e not which fictional character would win) with someone else on another forum. It turned into name calling and insults etc etc. That was probably 1-2 months ago. Recently, I disagreed with the same poster again, and he said its because he 'owned me' in the previous debate isn't it? I honestly did not even remember all the negative stuff that went on in the debate until I revisited it (he linked it for everyone to see obviously). So it looks to me like bad memory, or somehow I don't view these debates as important enough to commit to memory, subconsciously or whatever.
Thats not to say I don't remember RJ being a troll and making spite threads all the time, hell no, thats his rep in here, but I don't feel badly about him. Not right now anyway. When RJ does silly things again, sure I get frustrated and show certain dislike, but after that, it fades quickly. It's funny you think I need to pretend to not hate RJ. You've undoubtedly seen some of the past heated exchanges, I don't hide anything, nor do I need to.
It's weird though, because there are some people I do distinctly dislike, and it stays that way. For example one or two guys in the Comics Vs forum (and of course many other instances). So your theory fits in somewhere...
I guess I've always seen RJ as a bit of a goofy guy (lol), so I don't take things that seriously.
Indeed, RJ is quite a goofy bastard.
If you say so, I said I would believe it, despite my better judgment. I cannot contradict you when you say you think or feel a certain way as that would be stupid on my part.
hmm i actually couldn't find it oh well
not really a big deal anyways since a ill concieved idea is just as dumb to say 😆
if people who are not me say they dont like MVF because of RJ's trolling that makes it a fact right 😬
1.alot of people see RJ as a goofy troll
2. people dont like to MVF because of his trolling
whats your problem anyways you not even RJ 😬
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Ctrl - F
page 9 😬
Results = 0.
GTFO with you trolling, please. If you continue to claim that I said something I didn't, I'll start reporting like a whiny *****.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
what data is in the sentence RJ puts people off MVF?
like i said before people other than myself have said this in other forums.
which automatically makes the statement true...
😆
You are wrong and lying, as I showed you.
Now continue on topic instead of trolling.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawni guess u missed this -_-
hmm i actually couldn't find it oh well
not really a big deal anyways since a ill concieved idea is just as dumb to say 😆if people who are not me say they dont like MVF because of RJ's trolling that makes it a fact right 😬
1.alot of people see RJ as a goofy troll
2. people dont like to MVF because of his trolling
whats your problem anyways you not even RJ 😬
LMAO so i am wrong that people dont like RJ's trolling?
or that people have said that they dont like MVF?
why are you defending RJ so much anyways dude
& FYI you derailed the topic after deciding to respond to a simple fact that this is a troll thread and that RJ's a troll
get off RJ's sack
team 1 clearly outmatches team 2
but the OP is saying that team 2 win simply because 3 t2 cant die and that they cant catch the teleporters even with little damage to T1
Originally posted by 0mega Spawnteam 1 clearly outmatches team 2
but the OP is saying that team 2 win simply because 3 t2 cant die and that they cant catch the teleporters even with little damage to T1
No, they don't.
Storm will be hundreds of feet in the air, under cover of clouds and fog, razing the forest with lighting, and surrounding herself with hurricane force winds. This protects her from the vampire flyers. There's literally no way they touch her.
The vampires will eventually have to get in close with Wolverine. He'll slice them to ribbons.
Colossus is impossible to harm. If he gets ahold of a vampire or lycan, he'll crush them with one blow.
The jumpers have their weapons from their movie (flamethrower and bombs.) The vampires aren't gonna be moving at breakneck speeds the entire time, you know. Eventually they'll slow a bit, try to attack a mutant, and the jumpers can port in, grab them, and drop the with the sharks. Hell, Griffin solos the Lycans all by his lonesome.
NC cannot do much damage, unless he manages to port close and cut a vampires throat. Wraith? He could TP all over the place and blast away with his machine gun.
Zero? He's gonna wreak havoc here. He's the deadest eye in the history of cinema and agile as hell to boot.
Add on Pyro lighting it up, Bobby freezing shit, Juggernaut, and Arclight knocking every single one of the vampires on their ass with one clap of her hands.......
Mutants stomp.
so storm can fly in hurricane force winds... but the vamps cant?
and her lightening strike wouldn't affect a person who flying because they wouldn't be grounded 😬
storm can't storm breath up there either
vampires much faster than the rest of these guys so fast infact that they wouldn't be able to touch them 😬
pyro burning sh** 😆
iceman 😆
^ these two are probably the 1st ones to go
getting shot by blade lol
wolverine and sabes HF prevents them dying but speed prevents them from landing a hit on any vampires
he can however be shot in the head for a temp K.O
oops i 4got all about 1500lb werewolves jumping all over the place
collosus cant be harmed but cant harm anybody
juggernaught cant be harmed but cant harm anybody
thats T2 powerhouses doing jackshy while they're team is being ripped apart...
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnStorm can produce hurricane force winds and leave herself untouched. She did this in X1.
so storm can fly in hurricane force winds... but the vamps cant?
and her lightening strike wouldn't affect a person who flying because they wouldn't be grounded 😬
storm can't storm breath up there either
She could use the winds to hurl them to the ground, and Wolverine, Colossus, Pyro or Cyclops can finish them off.
And don't forget Arclight.
Breathe? Dude, she'll be in the clouds, not in space. The air is thinner, but yes, she can still breathe.
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnI already told you. Look:
so storm just starts a hurricane and protects her team while T1 is just flung about -_-
why did you make this thread then??? 😬
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Storm. Big ass tornadoes. Vampires thrown to and fro. Think about it.Arc Light. Remember when she targeted all those plastic guns and nothing else? Her shock wave attack is precise, she's like a surgeon with it. If she is looking down on the battle and her teammates are mixed in with the Vampires, she can easily target the vampires and leave her mates unharmed.
I'm on the fence here, mind you, just saying this is not a wtf curbstomp.
I didn't realize until much later Storm's potential here.