Originally posted by Deadline
Ok but just let me make something absolutely clear Pr you disagree that Flash wouldn't use FTL speed straight away against the team (or not at all)? I'm not arguing about the rules I'm just clarifying your opinion.
It depends.
For me, his speed is entirely dependant on how fast the other team attacks him. FTL, slower than light, either way it doesn't matter. He'd only go FTL if they forced him.
He won't do an FTL blitz from the get-go, though, no.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends.For me, his speed is entirely dependant on how fast the other team attacks him. FTL, slower than light, either way it doesn't matter. He'd only go FTL if they forced him.
Which was the point I was trying to make your too busy trying to tell me that I don't get your point. banghead
IMO however I think it would be too late, I could see him getting punked.
Originally posted by carver9have to say chaos war thor would wreck Hulk with a lightning bolt as much as I hate to say it. CQC he gets wrecked though.
And I would have disagreed with thor stalemating current or wwh. Reason why... thor and classic hulk was pretty much equals when it came down to a brawl. Thors versatility made it possibility for him to physically keep pace with hulk along with thors own rage.That's classic hulk... current hulk/wwh was stated as having a power level that is much higher than his previous self, it was stated as being off the charts. If thor was only capable of stalemating classic hulk, what chances does he have against current hulk and he sure as hell wouldnt or shouldn't be able to stalemate him.
^ *sigh* Now why did you have to go and do that for?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Umm... Okay?By who?
If hes not going at FTL speed. Cap, Wolverine or Spiderman is capable of hitting him. What happened when Wolverine fought Speed Demon is entirely plausible ie run circles around him then Wolverine lands one shot which KOs him.
Originally posted by Deadline
^ *sigh* Now why did you have to go and do that for?If hes not going at FTL speed. Cap, Wolverine or Spiderman is capable of hitting him. What happened when Wolverine fought Speed Demon is entirely plausible ie run circles around him then Wolverine lands one shot which KOs him.
Not happening, not at all 😐
Originally posted by tkitna
Doesnt the speed force still protect him from that kind of stuff. I dont know for sure, just saying.
As far as I'm aware thats unless hes going really fast (FTL). I don't think hes got damage reduction by default. He can vibrate his body really fast to make himself intangible but he has to see the attack coming first.
Originally posted by Deadline
^ *sigh* Now why did you have to go and do that for?If hes not going at FTL speed. Cap, Wolverine or Spiderman is capable of hitting him. What happened when Wolverine fought Speed Demon is entirely plausible ie run circles around him then Wolverine lands one shot which KOs him.
except that the rules state that he'll dodge any incoming attacks if he's capable of it.
this is exactly what i've been talking about for the last three pages. Wolverine hitting Flash would be massive PIS and jobbing, and as such wouldn't happen on the board without Logan getting major help.
Originally posted by -Pr-
except that the rules state that he'll dodge any incoming attacks if he's capable of it.this is exactly what i've been talking about for the last three pages. Wolverine hitting Flash would be massive PIS and jobbing, and as such wouldn't happen on the board without Logan getting major help.
So when Deathstroke hit Flash, Flash was jobbing? You also argued that hes not going FTL from the get go, if thats the case he could get hit or blindsided.
Of course the rules state he will dodge incoming attacks if hes capable of it.
Originally posted by Deadline
So when Deathstroke hit Flash, Flash was jobbing? You also argued that hes not going FTL from the get go, if thats the case he could get hit or blindsided.
deathstroke had prep, and knew how to fight flash. not the same thing, and it sets no precedent.
by who? nobody on that team that you mentioned has close to light reflexes or perceptions. wolverine touching him without help would be massive PIS, and is as such not valid.
even not going FTL, he's still far faster than most on the battlefield.
Originally posted by -Pr-
deathstroke had prep, and knew how to fight flash. not the same thing, and it sets no precedent.
I don't know about you but Cap, Wolverine and Spiderman > DS and they have all fought speedsters before. What speed was Flash travelling when he fought DS?
Originally posted by -Pr-
by who? nobody on that team that you mentioned has close to light reflexes or perceptions. wolverine touching him without help would be massive PIS, and is as such not valid.
They don't need close to light reflexes if hes not travelling that fast.
Originally posted by -Pr-
even not going FTL, he's still far faster than most on the battlefield.
Heres a question for you then. If Flash isn't travelling at light speed what speed does he travel it? Its entirely plausible then when hes not travelling at lightspeed hes moving as fast as Quicksilver, Speed Demon or Northstar.
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know about you but Cap, Wolverine and Spiderman > DS and they have all fought speedsters before. What speed was Flash travelling when he fought DS?They don't need close to light reflexes if hes not travelling that fast.
Heres a question for you then. If Flash isn't travelling at light speed what speed does he travel it? Its entirely plausible then when hes not travelling at lightspeed hes moving as fast as Quicksilver, Speed Demon or Northstar.
that's not the point. at all, regardless of whether i agree with you or not. ds had prep.
except that he could be travelling that fast if it means dodging their attacks. attacks he'll see in slow motion.
he's probably faster. he's reactive. he'll move fast enough to dodge anything that comes his way. he's not getting physically hit by anyone slower than him. there isn't any plot to help the others out here.
Bada and I covered this when we wrote the rules on CIP. Characters aren't going to act like idiots and let themselves get hit (bar someone like Superman, and even then it's only to a point). Flash going 99% of lightspeed will still be far too fast for the others to hit, especially as he'll be attacking them too at some point.
The feats, his personality and the rules all support that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not the point. at all, regardless of whether i agree with you or not. ds had prep.
Your missing the point.
1. You don't know what speed Flash was travelling when he fought DS entirely plausible that he was moving as fast as Quicksilver etc
2. All three of them have experience fighting speedsters. Not only that they have experience fighting as a team.
Originally posted by -Pr-
except that he could be travelling that fast if it means dodging their attacks. attacks he'll see in slow motion.he's probably faster. he's reactive. he'll move fast enough to dodge anything that comes his way. he's not getting physically hit by anyone slower than him. there isn't any plot to help the others out here.
It wasn't fast enough for him to dodge deathstroke was it. I know DS had prep but the point is that the team have other assets that can make them win.
Originally posted by -Pr-Bada and I covered this when we wrote the rules on CIP. Characters aren't going to act like idiots and let themselves get hit (bar someone like Superman, and even then it's only to a point).
Its got nothing to do with rules. You're arguing that Flash will dodge Wolverine, Cap and Spiderman and getting him by them is PIS while a the same time arguing that DS hitting Flash isn't PIS.
Originally posted by -Pr-Flash going 99% of lightspeed will still be far too fast for the others to hit, especially as he'll be attacking them too at some point.
Show me on panel where it stated that Flash was moving at 99% speed of light when fighting DS. Show me on panel that when hes not travelling at lightspeed hes travelling at 99% speed of light.
Sweet jesus.
Flash has shown on panel that he can move at any speed he likes, up to an including his top speed. If you keep picking and choosing and trying to find an excuse to troll, you're going to get warned.
We've been over this and you're still not listening. DS pulling off one feat sets no precedent for the others, no matter how much you might want it to.
Let me repeat myself (again): Either stop trolling or get warned.
Originally posted by Deadline
Your missing the point.1. You don't know what speed Flash was travelling when he fought DS entirely plausible that he was moving as fast as Quicksilver etc
2. All three of them have [b]experience
fighting speedsters. Not only that they have experience fighting as a team.It wasn't fast enough for him to dodge deathstroke was it. I know DS had prep but the point is that the team have other assets that can make them win.
Its got nothing to do with rules. You're arguing that Flash will dodge Wolverine, Cap and Spiderman and getting him by them is PIS while a the same time arguing that DS hitting Flash isn't PIS.
Show me on panel where it stated that Flash was moving at 99% speed of light when fighting DS. Show me on panel that when hes not travelling at lightspeed hes travelling at 99% speed of light. [/B]
i agree with this tho