Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Put yourself in Palpatine's place. This is your chance to crush the Rebellion beneath your boot heel. He allowed them to learn the location of the shield generator on Endor. You telling me that he didn't send his best troops to Endor? Wouldn't you?You're kidding, right?
Just a second I'm putting myself in Palpatines place...
"I'm a strong Sith Lord, but my apprentice is a cripple and will never attain the full power of the dark side, but that kid of his is pretty strong to, and he only lacks a hand, I think I'll do whatever in my power to turn that kid to the dark side"
What was palpatines main objective? To replace Vader with Luke. What way was he to most easily accomplish that? By making Luke angry and having him fall to the dark side. What could help Luke fall to the Dark side? The belief that his friends and everyone he cared for was going to die, while he was fairly powerless to prevent it, and by following that line of thought it's only logical for Palpatine to say that a entire legion of his best troops was what awaited Lukes friends. I don't think Palpatine hadn't expected that the natives would fight, hell he could have send his most shitty Legion and they would still had more then enough fire power to defeat the what, the max 10 rebels on Endor? On top of that Palpatine had a entire fleet lying out there waiting for the rebels, he could have blown up the shield generator himself if he wanted and still had crushed the rebels at Endor, if his main concern wasn't to force Luke into a position where Luke was forced to take action and use his anger to strike down his father.
To actually think that what we was presented with on Endor, given the history of the empire, is the best troops the empire has is simply naive.
Originally posted by Utrigitahaermm Infinity, dude.
Just a second I'm putting myself in Palpatines place..."I'm a strong Sith Lord, but my apprentice is a cripple and will never attain the full power of the dark side, but that kid of his is pretty strong to, and he only lacks a hand, I think I'll do whatever in my power to turn that kid to the dark side"
What was palpatines main objective? To replace Vader with Luke. What way was he to most easily accomplish that? By making Luke angry and having him fall to the dark side. What could help Luke fall to the Dark side? The belief that his friends and everyone he cared for was going to die, while he was fairly powerless to prevent it, and by following that line of thought it's only logical for Palpatine to say that a entire legion of his best troops was what awaited Lukes friends. I don't think Palpatine hadn't expected that the natives would fight, hell he could have send his most shitty Legion and they would still had more then enough fire power to defeat the what, the max 10 rebels on Endor? On top of that Palpatine had a entire fleet lying out there waiting for the rebels, he could have blown up the shield generator himself if he wanted and still had crushed the rebels at Endor, if his main concern wasn't to force Luke into a position where Luke was forced to take action and use his anger to strike down his father.
To actually think that what we was presented with on Endor, given the history of the empire, is the best troops the empire has is simply naive.
RJ, explain to me how he is going to carry an unlimited amount of all that? He is a normal human that is just very hard to kill, theres no possible way he could carry that much. Id like to see him carrying an m60 and rpg with more than one box and one rocket, theres a reason they have teams to use those things you know
Also, show me where theres a vent or port on them. If there is, why would it not be locked? If it isnt locked, then alright, he can kill the people in it. But seriously, 500 guys, no matter HOW bad they aim, will hit him eventually, the law of probability states that.
Originally posted by PwnedLook up the word cache.
RJ, explain to me how he is going to carry an unlimited amount of all that? He is a normal human that is just very hard to kill, theres no possible way he could carry that much. Id like to see him carrying an m60 and rpg with more than one box and one rocket, theres a reason they have teams to use those things you know
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cache
cache
   /kæʃ/ Show Spelled [kash] Show IPA noun, verb, cached, cach·ing.
–noun
1.
a hiding place, especially one in the ground, for ammunition, food, treasures, etc.: She hid her jewelry in a little cache in the cellar.
2.
anything so hidden: The enemy never found our cache of food.
With a weeks prep, he can have several caches of weapons hidden throughout the forest. Look at what he did in First Blood, he got the deputies to go where he wanted when he wanted. He'll do the same here.
Also, show me where theres a vent or port on them. If there is, why would it not be locked? If it isnt locked, then alright, he can kill the people in it. But seriously, 500 guys, no matter HOW bad they aim, will hit him eventually, the law of probability states that.RPG's are designed to punch through metal armor.
You know that door on the belly of the AT AT where Luke threw in a detonator? An RPG rocket'll open it quite nicely.
Traps, dude, traps. The traps, laid out with a weeks prep will take care of most of the stormtroopers.
There is no way Rambo is winning unless he is taking cocaine, steroids, and red bull. Rambo himself hasn't even killed 500 people. He would become exhausted at some point. No one has enough stamina for that.
If traps will take care of most of the troopers then Rambo must be setting traps day and night everyday for that week. He also has a lot of trust in his knowledge of the forest, and routes that the stormtroopers will take. He also has an entire planet to cover, and only a weeks time, and he needs to hide his caches.
Remember this is all in a week. He needs to hunt as well and he may have trouble with the wildlife such as Ewoks. So he probably will waste some of his energy on them, and he has to relieve himself. His stomach may not take to the food of the planet and he could spend the entire week in a man made latrine.
Rambo would be killed
Originally posted by Darth PiggottWith the weaponry in the OP, killing 500 stormtroopers is a cakewalk. One claymore can potentially take out ten of them. An RPG, same.
There is no way Rambo is winning unless he is taking cocaine, steroids, and red bull. Rambo himself hasn't even killed 500 people. He would become exhausted at some point. No one has enough stamina for that.
If traps will take care of most of the troopers then Rambo must be setting traps day and night everyday for that week. He also has a lot of trust in his knowledge of the forest, and routes that the stormtroopers will take. He also has an entire planet to cover, and only a weeks time, and he needs to hide his caches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Claymore_anti-personnel_mine
Claymores:
The M18A1 Claymore mine consists of a horizontally convex green plastic case (inert training versions are blue). The shape was developed through experimentation to deliver the optimum distribution of fragments at 50 m (55 yd) range. The case has the words "Front Toward Enemy" embossed on the front surface of the mine. A simple open sight on the top surface allows for aiming the mine. Two pairs of scissor legs attached to the bottom support the mine and allow it to be aimed vertically. On both sides of the sight are fuse wells set at 45 degrees.
Internally the mine contains a layer of C-4 explosive behind a matrix of about seven hundred 1⁄8-inch-diameter (3.2 mm) steel balls (about as big as #4 birdshot) set into an epoxy resin.
When the M18A1 is detonated, the explosion drives the spheres out of the mine at a velocity of 1,200 m/s (3,937 ft/s),[1] at the same time breaking the matrix into individual fragments. The steel balls are projected in a 60° fan-shaped pattern that is 6.5 feet high and 50 m (55 yd) wide at a range of 50 m (55 yd). The force of the explosion deforms the relatively soft steel fragments into a shape similar to a .22 rimfire projectile.[1] These fragments are moderately effective up to a range of 100 m (110 yd), with a hit probability of around 10% on a prone man-sized 1.3-square-foot (0.12 m2) target. The fragments can travel up to 250 m (270 yd). The optimum effective range is 50 m (55 yd), at which the optimal balance is achieved between lethality and area coverage, with a hit probability of 30% on a man-sized target.
The weapon and all its accessories are carried in a bandolier. An instruction sheet for the weapon is sewn inside the cover of the bandolier.[2]
Ideally, the mine is detonated as the enemy approaches the killing zone 20 to 30 m (22 to 33 yd), where maximum casualties can be inflicted. Controlled detonation may be accomplished by use of either an electrical or nonelectrical firing system. When mines are employed in the controlled role, they are treated as individual weapons and are reported in the unit fire plan. They are not reported as mines; however, the emplacing unit must ensure that the mines are removed, detonated, or turned over to a relieving unit. The M57 Firing Device (colloquially referred to as the "clacker"😉 is included with each mine. When the mines are daisy chained together, one firing device can initiate several mines.
The mine can be detonated by any mechanism that activates the blasting cap. Field-expedient methods of detonating the mine by tripwire, or even by a timer, exist, but are rarely used.
RPG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-propelled_grenade
The HE (high explosive) warhead is a general-purpose explosive warhead for use against unarmored targets such as infantry, unarmored wheeled vehicles, and fixed positions. The HE warhead detonates upon impact. The warhead case and charge generate a moderate amount of fragmentation, which can pass through many obstacles without stopping.
The HEAT (high explosive anti-tank) round is a standard shaped charge warhead, similar in concept to those used in tank cannon rounds. In this type of warhead, the shape of the explosive material within the warhead focuses the explosive energy on a copper (or similar metal) lining. This heats the metal lining and propels some of it forward at a very high velocity in a highly ductile state. The resulting narrow jet of metal can punch through the armor of most APCs (armored personnel carriers) and IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles). However, the warhead on older RPG (rocket propelled grenade) systems is too small to penetrate the main armor of most modern battle tanks, although it is still capable of causing secondary damage to vulnerable systems (especially sights, tracks, rear and roof of turrets) and can disable or destroy most lightly armored or unarmored vehicles.
Remember this is all in a week. He needs to hunt as well and he may have trouble with the wildlife such as Ewoks. So he probably will waste some of his energy on them, and he has to relieve himself. His stomach may not take to the food of the planet and he could spend the entire week in a man made latrine.A week is a long time, dude. He can work a few hours, sleep a bit, go kill a pig, eat, shit, work some more, shower, rinse repeat. He'll have more than enough time to lay as many traps as he needs.Rambo would be killed
the Ewoks aren't in this thread.
His stomach? Lulz, man. Lulz:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083944/quotes
Trautman: You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best.
Check out Rambo's stealth:
Mitch was right on top of him and he didn't even see him. Same with Teasle, and Teasle was a war veteran.
Then there's this:
The VC were familiar with the jungle, and the Russians were all special forces.
Take Rambo and pit him against this:
Don't make me laugh, dude. Rambo rapes the stormtroopers a new hole, and easily.
Now, the walkers. The AT-ST:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Scout_Transport
It was lighter than its bigger brother the AT-AT walker and could withstand standard blaster fire, but was vulnerable to heavy laser fire and missiles as well as physical attacks to the legs and the side of the head, as seen by the Ewoks destroying AT-ST's by logs ramming the sides of the heads.[8] They also could be forced into by species with great physical strength, like a Wookiee; as seen by Chewbacca forcing his way through the top hatch and taking control of the walker. Properly thrown grenades could be thrown into the window hatches, as well.
The AT-AT:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Armored_Transport
The most vulnerable part of the walker was a weak point found at its flexible neck, which was susceptible to lighter blaster barrages. The legs were also somewhat unstable and could be tripped, leaving the walker defenseless.[2] While first appearing to be a slow, lumbering vehicle, the AT-AT would often times be on top of its enemies before they knew what had hit them.[7] The AT-AT also lacked armor covering on its underbelly, leaving the spot vulnerable to mounted guns or portable missile launchers.
There it is. If Rambo is familiar with his enemy and their vehicles (and he is here), he'll know to strike here with an RPG.
Yup, I think that about covers it. Rambo wins.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, this is where you read my long ass post, ALL of it, read what claymores can do, read what RPG's can do, read up on the weaknesses of the AT-ST abd the AT-AT.
RPG and claymore won't do much to an A1M1 tank, they're designed to take such hits.(This is were you edit and say Rambo has anti-tank gear)
BTW, that AT-AT blew up pretty easily after Wedge pulled it down, all it took was 2 laser blasts and BOOM.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, this is where you read my long ass post, ALL of it, read what claymores can do, read what RPG's can do, read up on the weaknesses of the AT-ST abd the AT-AT.BTW, that AT-AT blew up pretty easily after Wedge pulled it down, all it took was 2 laser blasts and BOOM.
Claymores are anti-personal, that's their main purpose, killing people. It's not doing jack and shit to an AT-AT.
RPGs are designed to take down barriers and/or to take out light-armoured vehicles. Say an armoured Humvee, not an A1M1 tank and not an AT-AT.
Yes, AFTER it was pulled down. Wedge was able to get a hit right on the neck, the weak spot. He also shot it with a ships blaster fire; not an RPG.
Originally posted by Robtard
Claymores are anti-personal, that's their main purpose, killing people. It's not doing jack and shit to an AT-AT.RPGs are designed to take down barriers and/or to take out light-armoured vehicles. Say an armoured Humvee, not an A1M1 tank and not an AT-AT.
Yes, AFTER it was pulled down. Wedge was able to get a hit right on the neck, the weak spot. He also shot it with a ships blaster fire; not an RPG.
If you want to take out a M1A2 Abrams I suggest multiple IEDs, if you want to take out a challenger 2 I wouldn't recommend a RPG, since a Challenger 2 have taken, iirc, 7 rpgs and 1 MILAN in one engagement and the drivers wasn't injured.
Rambo gets killed by tree creatures.
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Originally posted by Robtard
Claymores are anti-personal, that's their main purpose, killing people. It's not doing jack and shit to an AT-AT.RPGs are designed to take down barriers and/or to take out light-armoured vehicles. Say an armoured Humvee, not an A1M1 tank and not an AT-AT.
Yes, AFTER it was pulled down. Wedge was able to get a hit right on the neck, the weak spot. He also shot it with a ships blaster fire; not an RPG.
The claymores are for the stormtroopers, dude.
Yes, an RPG will exploit the weak areas on the walkers I pointed out.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's one seriously powerful RPG.Didn't Rambo RPG the Mil Mi-24 Hind and it was still flight/fight worthy?
No. He RPG'd the bad guy from Beverly Hills Cop's Hind and it was blown to bits.
In Red Dawn Robert RPG'd the same chopper and it still flew. Then again, he RPG'd the gunner, not the pilot.