Odin in Destroyer Armor vs Chaos War Hercules

Started by Bentley10 pages

My argument is that Cho knows the multiverse that comprises different timelines. He could've meant the 616 multiverse as well, but he definitely knows about the wider multiverse.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again the 616 universe has been called a multiverse. Cho need tech prior to scan the multiverse which would have taken him a billion years to scan it all, yet now he knows everything? Unlikely.

That's the beauty of comics. How would he even know 98% of the 616 Multiverse was destroyed? He shouldn't, but his clearly being used as a narrating tool. Doubting his word is absolutely asinine. There's no reason to believe he was lying or being dishonest.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except you don't know that, hence the debate.

Which could have meant all creation in the UNIVERSE. They never mentioned the omniverse

Neither do I, but there is evidence to suggest he isn't multiversal. Honestly why would I care if he is or not? 😬

Definetly, but the entire multi-verse as in all the Asgards and all the Earths and all the Hells in the entire omni-verse? Unlikely from what they showed.

When someone says Multiverse, I don't assume it's some no prize definition of Multiverse, I assume its a Multiverse.

Once again with the no prize answers. All of creation was stated to be in danger. I'm going to assume that all of creation was in danger. Creation in a Multiversal context as previously stated.

In a story such as this, most of the time their is no deeper meaning, what's stated is usually what is meant.

Why would it have to be in all the Omniverses? I thought Marvel was made up of Megaverses and Megaverses which are in turn made up of Multiverses and Multiverses etc.

Originally posted by -K-M-
It means a universe can be destroyed while...others arn't. Not that hard to grasp really.

Really? Yeah that's what I have been saying 🙄

Basically everything you have said has been debated with evidence, and majority is siding with the whole multiverse being destroyed is vague or very unlikely and its not because we don't like it it's because they never showed anything outside of the 616 universe being destroyed and once again the 616 universe is called a multiverse.

Haven't read anything conclusive so far.

Not really. Like I said, when someone has some actual evidence instead of second guessing Cho or questioning the use of the word Multiverse, I'll take a step back, reevaluate my position, and if need be, switch it. As it is, the Chaos King was Multiversal. Chaos War Hercules was Multiversal.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's the beauty of comics. How would he even know 98% of the 616 Multiverse was destroyed? He shouldn't, but his clearly being used as a narrating tool. Doubting his word is absolutely asinine. There's no reason to believe he was lying or being dishonest.

Yeah no, now that' a weak arguement. Or his comment meant the multiverse as in the 616 universe which once again is said to be a multiverse. You can't assume one way and say to another person they can't assume the other way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When someone says Multiverse, I don't assume it's some no prize definition of Multiverse, I assume its a Multiverse.

Once again with the no prize answers. All of creation was stated to be in danger. I'm going to assume that all of creation was in danger. Creation in a Multiversal context as previously stated.

In a story such as this, most of the time their is no deeper meaning, what's stated is usually what is meant.

Why would it have to be in all the Omniverses? I thought Marvel was made up of Megaverses and Megaverses which are in turn made up of Multiverses and Multiverses etc.

Why would destroying the entire 616 universe with all its connected realms and dimensions get a no prize? Weak.

If all creation was threatened then that's the omniverse, and even that is far more unlikely he was about to destroy all that. Once again or he could mean all of creation in the 616 universe. Basically you are assuming details as well 😬

Except nothing of the sorts was shown, hence the issue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haven't read anything conclusive so far.

Not really. Like I said, when someone has some actual evidence instead of second guessing Cho or questioning the use of the word Multiverse, I'll take a step back, reevaluate my position, and if need be, switch it. As it is, the Chaos King was Multiversal. Chaos War Hercules was Multiversal.

and you probably won't on both sides as it was incredibly vague and there is evidence to suggest just the 616 universe hence the debate. If it was clear cut there wouldn't be one.

Once again as shown it can mean universe, and you made a lot of assumptions to assume it meant the entire multiverse rather then the 616 universe which is called a multiverse.

@-K-M-

Wait are you assuming people are saying CK and Herc were Omniversal in CW#5?I assume both CK and Herc(Maybe due to amping) are Multiversal and not Omniversal.Since according to Mark Gruenwald, Omniverse would include even other companies like DC and etc.Even the real world is included in the Omniverse.And according to him, A Multiverse is the collection of Alternate Universes, with a similar nature and a Universal Hierarchy. The Marvel Multiverse contains Earth-616, most of the What If? worlds, as well as the vast number of the alternate Earths seen in the Marvel Universe.He never referred Earth-616 as a Multiverse but rather part of the Multiverse.And FVL already gave a statement that CK is more powerful than Abraxas.This would mean CK is Multiversal as well.And hence forth Supergod Herc beats Odin w/ Destroyer.This thread has become spite.

Originally posted by bagsikdangal101
@-K-M-

Wait are you assuming people are saying CK and Herc were Omniversal in CW#5?I assume both CK and Herc(Maybe due to amping) are Multiversal and not Omniversal.Since according to Mark Gruenwald, Omniverse would include even other companies like DC and etc.Even the real world is included in the Omniverse.And according to him, A Multiverse is the collection of Alternate Universes, with a similar nature and a Universal Hierarchy. The Marvel Multiverse contains Earth-616, most of the What If? worlds, as well as the vast number of the alternate Earths seen in the Marvel Universe.He never referred Earth-616 as a Multiverse but rather part of the Multiverse.And FVL already gave a statement that CK is more powerful than Abraxas.This would mean CK is Multiversal as well.And hence forth Supergod Herc beats Odin w/ Destroyer.This thread has become spite.

I think the omniversal comment came from rage saying that it was "all of existence" that the chaos king was after and thus omniversal not Km.

I'm still wondering why/how a 'multiversal' entity can't even dimension-hop? 😕

Maybe he can only dimension hop within the same multiverse.

^ That's it. He was obviously BFR'd to another multiverse.

How did I not see it before..? doh

I never read it, so I don't know if you're being sarcastic.

Well if it's any comfort, I actually read that abortion of a story, and I'M not even sure if I'm being serious.

...That's how much of a mind f*ck it was (in a bad way.) none

Originally posted by Galan007
Well if it's any comfort, I actually read that abortion of a story, and I'M not even sure if I'm being serious.

...That's how much of a mind f*ck it was (in a bad way.) none

maybe if we sent pak 2 pennies he'd have some cents.. get it.. huh.. huh.. ?!?! 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That's it. He was obviously BFR'd to another multiverse.

How did I not see it before..? doh

Galactus created a multiverse then? Galactus is multiversal 🙂

Originally posted by Bentley
Galactus created a multiverse then? Galactus is multiversal 🙂

Galactus doesn't have that kinda power..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Galactus doesn't have that kinda power..

Hey, if the CK is multiversal then Galactus clearly is multiversal.

Originally posted by Bentley
Hey, if the CK is multiversal then Galactus clearly is multiversal.

why??did he do anything to CK??

Originally posted by Slaanesh
why??did he do anything to CK??

He made a pocket dimension in which the CK was thrown and finally defeated.

Originally posted by Bentley
He made a pocket dimension in which the CK was thrown and finally defeated.

😄

lets see where this goes.

Originally posted by Bentley
He made a pocket dimension in which the CK was thrown and finally defeated.

no he didn't..he just created the portal that connected 616 universe to that one..that universe is created by hera..it's the one that hercules was trap in after athena betrayed him..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no he didn't..he just created the portal that connected 616 universe to that one..that universe is created by hera..it's the one that hercules was trap in after athena betrayed him..

It did? Maybe I didn't read closely enough awesr

Galactus still could travel multiversally while the CK couldn't...

Originally posted by Bentley
It did? Maybe I didn't read closely enough awesr

Galactus still could travel multiversally while the CK couldn't...

u need to read it again..

no..Galactus didn't travel it..he just crated a device..reed can build something like that..it's nothing impressive..