Originally posted by ctnn1Based on Thor being vastly more durable? Or arguably stronger? Faster too Herc is no doubt the better grappler and maybe more skilled but Thor physically is above him by a large margin hence in a brawl Thor would win as he does here
Based on what? Thor himself admitted he was humbled by Herc. I seem to recall at least 2 past fights. (Probably more) Both of them ended with Thor losing.Herc is the better brawler of the two according to on-panel evidence.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I was under the impression Thor needed Mjolnir to do this? Again, if wrong, please let me know, but I've only seen Thor pull absorption stunts with Mjolnir?
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor for the majority, Thor can absorb all Hulk radiation or steal his life force. Thor is too damn versatile for the Hulk, if Thor is willing to kill Hulk is screwed big time.
In other words, you're allowing you own personal opinion to trump the actual fights we've witnessed showing that Thor is not quite the fighter that Herc is? Again, Herc has beaten Thor 2 out of 2 times that I've seen, and I may be missing 1 more incident.
Sorry, I'm going to have to go with on panel evidence on this one. Thor's "far above him strength" sure did fail to shine through the two times they went at it before! lol
Originally posted by iceman24567
Based on Thor being vastly more durable? Or arguably stronger? Faster too Herc is no doubt the better grappler and maybe more skilled but Thor physically is above him by a large margin hence in a brawl Thor would win as he does here
Originally posted by ctnn1When did I say he was far stronger? Go watch reading rainbow. Herc chocked him out he isnt doing that 10/10 most of the time them fighting would end in a slugfest which Thor would win being more durable and all comics support this. Thor is physically superior period no if and or buts about it.
In other words, you're allowing you own personal opinion to trump the actual fights we've witnessed showing that Thor is not quite the fighter that Herc is? Again, Herc has beaten Thor 2 out of 2 times that I've seen, and I may be missing 1 more incident.Sorry, I'm going to have to go with on panel evidence on this one. Thor's "far above him strength" sure did fail to shine through the two times they went at it before! lol
Ah I see... So you're countering on panel evidence with your ASSUMPTIONS on how a fight would go... Gotcha... Why didn't you just say so? That you're so willing to toss out continuity in favor of your own personal preconceived notions on how a fight would "go."
When did you say he was far stronger? Well, perhaps I misread your intent, but your statement of:
"Thor physically is above him by a large margin" seems to indicate that you believe he is oh I don't know.... "Far above him." lol
Perhaps you were referencing attributes other than strength. But clear communication doesn't leave such statements open to broad interpretation. 😉 <<< j/k I learned that on Reading Rainbow, how bout that!?
Anyhow... Bottom line is Herc has defeated Thor twice now, and contrary to your statement, they have "slugged it out a bit" as well. Herc fights dirty. He gets the job done. Thor learned this the hard way, and yet he still managed to lose to Herc a 2nd time.
Suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree!
Originally posted by iceman24567😆 😆 😆
When did I say he was far stronger? Go watch reading rainbow. Herc chocked him out he isnt doing that 10/10 most of the time them fighting would end in a slugfest which Thor would win being more durable and all comics support this. Thor is physically superior period no if and or buts about it.
He is physically far above Herc hes stronger, faster and way more durable the slight skill edge Herc has isnt enough to beat Thor for a majority in a h2h encounter. I'm not assuming anything in character they both would swing at eachother Herc "might" grapple if he feels hes losing but Thor kos him in in 5-6 clean punches and thats being generous. Grappling is Hercs best bet and how many times have we seen Herc grapple instead of punching? Not enough Herc isnt beating Thor in a brawl on forums even if you disagree
Yep, let's ignore the words of the man who was just fighting Herc, and stated plain and clear as day "On the field of battle we would be equals."
Ya know, if you're having so much difficulty, I'd be happy to loan you my old VHS set of Reading Rainbow... Seems you might benefit from it. I also have a mint condition copy of "Stop cherry-picking what you read and accept the facts." It's a great read let me tell ya.
Another example of your bias showing. You also state that Herc couldn't take Thors punches? Seriously? You realize they've fought on about 7 - 8 occasions before right? (Almost always a tie)
Sorry, you're just flat out wrong here. Thor has had opportunity after opportunity to beat on Herc.
Let's tally up the score shall we?
You claimed Thor Herc couldn't take even 5 or 6 of Thors punches (You then stated that's being generous) yet comics prove you wrong. Herc has fought Thor on 7 -8 occasions by my count, and the only time Thor seemed to gain the convincing upper hand was when he cowardly hurled Mjolnir at Hercules from BEHIND, while he say at the bar drinking. PATHETIC.
Other than that, Herc has taken clean hits from Mjolnir, and Thor's fists with no sign of being nearly knocked out... So let's see you back up your claim? Or was this just your opinion again?
You claim Thor is stronger... What do the comics say? Let's see, they both arm wrestled, with neither gaining the advantage. The table eventually gave way. Then they struggled physically again, neither getting the upper hand.
They go back and forth in their fights. Both getting in good shots. But so far it was Herc who managed to get Thor into a situation where it was no-win for Thor without resorting to his lightning in a H2H battle. (Thor cheated) lol
I've yet to see your proof, and Thors own words states they are "too evenly matched." Once again you put your opinion ahead of Thors words, and the facts shown on panel.
You state that Herc has a slight edge in grappling, but Thor says "hand to hand combat." So he disagrees with you. You further state:
"how many times have we seen Herc grapple instead of punching? Not enough "
Uh, in 3 of his encounters with Thor he grappled during the fight. Choke holds, etc.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Again learn to read I said he has a slight skill edge also I read Blood Oath TWICE. So what if Thor says that Thors durability feats trumps Hercs comics support this checkmate...
Again reading rainbow would do wonders for you I said Herc has the slight edge in skill my comments on grappling came later in the post. I say Thor is arguably stronger since his feats are overall better imo honestly they are fairly equal in strength. In a straight h2h brawl Thors durability edge is the deciding factor like I said. The only reason I brought grappling up is because it nulifies the durability edge Thor obviously has. Im done with you no real comic reader would believe Herc can stand ans trade punches with Thor and win a majority. If I have a bias its towards Herc being my second favorite marvel character and all 😐
So once again, you flap your jaws, and bring nothing to back up your statements, and ignore the fact that I've proven your statements wrong.
Your comment here:
"Again reading rainbow would do wonders for you I said Herc has the slight edge in skill my comments on grappling came later in the post."
Huh? So because you made a comment LATER in the post, I should have ignored it? Wow... Just wow!!! Boy, you need.... Never-mind... I seriously feel bad for arguing with you at this point. Appears you can't handle it. Things will be ok bud. Just keep believing what you believe!
"I say Thor is arguably stronger since his feats are overall better imo honestly they are fairly equal in strength."
Nice back-pedaling bud. First you said stronger, now you back-pedal and say "fairly" equal after I reminded you of their arm wrestling match, and Thor's own words that they are "too evenly matched". Good one!
"In a straight h2h brawl Thors durability edge is the deciding factor like I said."
I keep asking you for proof, and you keep ignoring. Seems to be your MO. Just ignore what you cannot prove! LOL
Let's see Thor's durability edge. He's fought Herc on 7 - 8 occasions that I'm aware of, surely it must be within those issues right? I'm waiting!
"The only reason I brought grappling up is because it nulifies the durability edge Thor obviously has. Im done with you no real comic reader would believe Herc can stand ans trade punches with Thor and win a majority. If I have a bias its towards Herc being my second favorite marvel character and all 😐"
Ah, copping out. "No real comic fan" - lol lol lol!!! Yet I'm the only one who has provided proof. Good job ignoring all the punch trading Herc has done with Thor on 7 - 8 occasions!
Ah, ignorance must truly be bliss as they say. Bye now!
Originally posted by iceman24567<- Its not backpeddling genius I said arguably in my first post regarding strength. Again your comprehension sucks I said he has a edge in skill not once did I say he has a edge in grappling exclusively. Not once did you prove me wrong you are incapable of proving me wrong because I'm right as day. What shown in battles>>what Thor says about Herc and in battles Thor has shown he is more durable hands down. Prove Thor is more durable? Its common knowledge hes more durable than Herc lol I guess a troll is gona troll what was I thinking ignored
Based on Thor being vastly more durable? Or arguably stronger? Faster too Herc is no doubt the better grappler and maybe more skilled but Thor physically is above him by a large margin hence in a brawl Thor would win as he does here
Sorry, it's your comprehension that needs help.... STILL waiting for proof! Please stop whining and provide it. You are the one who made the CLAIM that Herc could not stand up to 5 clean punches from Thor...
How long are you going to make us wait for this proof? Still waiting!!
Funny, you claim "what is shown in battles trumps what Thor says."
Yet you're the one who is completely ignoring the actual battles between Herc and Thor themselves - The very battle in question!! lol
Really, the amount of spinning and denial going on here is actually causing me to laugh. Let me know when you come up with that proof I've been asking for!!
Originally posted by iceman24567
<- Its not backpeddling genius I said arguably in my first post regarding strength. Again your comprehension sucks I said he has a edge in skill not once did I say he has a edge in grappling exclusively. Not once did you prove me wrong you are incapable of proving me wrong because I'm right as day. What shown in battles>>what Thor says about Herc and in battles Thor has shown he is more durable hands down. Prove Thor is more durable? Its common knowledge hes more durable than Herc lol I guess a troll is gona troll what was I thinking ignored
Bentley, Bentley... You should know better! "A vs B = logic" (What I call it) is not to be used in debates! You know that!
Using your logic then, I suppose Captain America is more durable than Silver Surfer! (Slight exaggeration to make a point)
See, the logical fallacy here is you are ignoring the actual fights between the characters themselves, and pointing to separate battles NOT involving the two character fighting themselves to prove your point! Who does that?
When Iceboy... Er... Man (Chuckle) claimed that Herc wouldn't stand up to 5 punches from Thor, he made this claim, and pushed it off as his opinion. A fallacy. A mistake even young kids I chat with no better than to make.
Yet in order to attempt to prove his point, he ignores the actual battles themselves between the two characters in question which shows Herc stands up to Thor quite easily again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again and again.
They've punched it out, tossed themselves around, hit each-other over the head with large objects, head butt, arm wrestled, grappled.
And what came out of it? Herc winning one of the battles so decisively, that arrogant THor had to admit that Herc was his equal on the battle field, yet slightly superior in Hand to hand combat.
So where's this massive physical superiority and durability? Apparently, if he IS more durable, he's not more durable enough to overcome Hercs superior H2H skills!
So why is it you're throwing out unrelated examples whilst ignoring the actual fights between the two? Honestly, there's not an ounce of logic to such an approach when we have 8 direct hand to hand fights to analyze between the two.
Originally posted by Bentley
Korvac killed Herc in two shots. Thor survived...You can find about 5 more examples like that in their whole history, Thor is more durable.
Originally posted by ctnn1Nice insulting troll 👆
Bentley, Bentley... You should know better! "A vs B = logic" (What I call it) is not to be used in debates! You know that!Using your logic then, I suppose Captain America is more durable than Silver Surfer! (Slight exaggeration to make a point)
See, the logical fallacy here is you are ignoring the actual fights between the characters themselves, and pointing to separate battles NOT involving the two character fighting themselves to prove your point! Who does that?
When Iceboy... Er... Man (Chuckle) claimed that Herc wouldn't stand up to 5 punches from Thor, he made this claim, and pushed it off as his opinion. A fallacy. A mistake even young kids I chat with no better than to make.
Yet in order to attempt to prove his point, he ignores the actual battles themselves between the two characters in question which shows Herc stands up to Thor quite easily again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again and again.
They've punched it out, tossed themselves around, hit each-other over the head with large objects, head butt, arm wrestled, grappled.
And what came out of it? Herc winning one of the battles so decisively, that arrogant THor had to admit that Herc was his equal on the battle field, yet slightly superior in Hand to hand combat.
So where's this massive physical superiority and durability? Apparently, if he IS more durable, he's not more durable enough to overcome Hercs superior H2H skills!
So why is it you're throwing out unrelated examples whilst ignoring the actual fights between the two? Honestly, there's not an ounce of logic to such an approach when we have 8 direct hand to hand fights to analyze between the two.
Originally posted by ctnn1
See, the logical fallacy here is you are ignoring the actual fights between the characters themselves, and pointing to separate battles NOT involving the two character fighting themselves to prove your point! Who does that?
One problem about limiting our debating to battles between the two characters is that we would ignore the question we want to answer: durability. Are battles between two heroes who respect each other and hold back pretty much all the time the only bar we should use to messure not who would win (which I haven't tried to answer as of yet), but how much punishment they can take.
Do you agree with my reasoning?