Espada vs Akatsuki

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
The top 5 espada annihilate all of the akatsuki O.o None of the Akatsuki except Madara destroy mountain sized pieces of rock and pretty much every character in bleach after the arcanar arc can move faster than light and crush mountains with just the collisions of their weapons. 😐

Yammy cannot even be killed he just gets stronger and stronger.

Itachi only uses deciept and visual jutsu and Stark pretty much moves faster than light itself and has unlimited power. O.o

Barragan cannot even be touched, literally and water will pretty much be useless as he can pretty much move faster than light. O.o

Madara is pretty much the only character that might beat a couple of them but he is only as powerful as he is because he was reanimated and is unkillable. Halibel is a general and has 3 arrancar that are actually her small army. For her you have to look at her abilities that are just water blasts that destroy towns. http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_Harribel

Nnoitra is near Kenpachi level power which is almost destruction itself.

Grimmjow is probably the weakest of the espada

Zommari is basically the equivalent of a bunch of sharingans that can control whatever they see physically

Szayelaporro LITERALLY cannot be killed. He evolves based on who he fights and has the ability to immediately predict and counter all abilities of his opponents in seconds 😐

Aaroniero steals abilities and is probably the weakest unless he kills one of them and assimilates one. Though he basically has a sharingan visual jutsu ability that causes hallucinations

Alright. I see your problem. You have clearly not seen or read either series.

1. The first character in Bleach to mountain bust was Dangai Ichigo, who is still demonstrably the strongest character to have been shown in Bleach, other than the possibilities of Gremmy and current Kenpachi. Madara using Susano'o destroyed two mountains by UNSHEATHING his sword. Literally JUST by drawing his sword. Two mountains. Not one.

2. Yammy was killed by old Kenpachi, and old Byakuya. They were both nothing in front of Aizen, who fell short of mountain busting.

3. I don't even know where to begin here.
- "Stark = lightspeed" = Aizen, who was much faster, couldn't outrun a building sized explosion, under Earth's gravity. That's around mach 30-40, HIGH-BALLED.

- Unlimited power? Tell that to Love and Rose(both, also nothing compared to Aizen, who is mountain level highballed).

4. Barragan can be touched. In fact, Kisame can just eat all of his energy from afar, as well as simply blitz him and eat his chakra to regenerate any parts he loses from touching barragan. This is probably the closest fight though, just because of barragan's hax.

Bleach characters =/= Anything close to light speed. Ever. Even Gremmy is not comparable to Raikage, in strength OR speed.

5. Hm, really? As I recall, Madara was even STRONGER when he was alive.

Five mountains. One slash. That is monstrously above any Bleach feat, even current, and even above Kenny's meteor feat. And to combat that, I have Madara's double meteor feat.

6. What? Halibel can destroy BUILDINGS. And that's with cero's. She has no town feats to speak of. Even Aizen couldn't destroy a town with his strongest attack, and Ichigo was only mountain level with a slash.

7. 😐 Wut. Do you even know where you are right now? Kenpachi is meteor level. In other words, elderly, decrepit Tsuchikage level. Destruction itself, smfh...

8. Um... No. Arroniero Araruerie(or however you spell it) is the weakest espada.

9. Um... What? How are his eyes like sharingan? All Zomari can do is control one object with each eye, which includes small things like arms, legs, and flower petals. And he only has 52 eyes. Kakazu's insides are made of MILLIONS of threads of chakra. Not to mention he's much faster, and has to be killed five times to die, and can also steal Zommari's heart.

10. Where are you coming up with these things? Szael was killed simply by Kurotsuchi stabbing him in the heart. That is all that happened. His drug made him immobile, but he was felled by a single stab in the end, by literally the physically WEAKEST captain.

11. Visual jut-... What? He has no such thing, and not even comparable of an ability. He can change his form. That is all. And it is very limited. Not to mention he also has to kill someone to steal their abilities, which I think I've proven, he canNOT.

GG bro, read a book.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well either way, you have to know that the Akatsuki shit on all of the Espada at once.

Let's take a group of possible small city tiers, and put them up against characters who casually take out mountain rage busting Biju. Not to mention the ridiculous difference in speed, between mach 30 Bleach high-tiers(like Aizen), and mach 1,000+ characters like the Akatasuki, and even when some of them have light speed+ reactions(Itachi, Tobi, and Madara).

GG @ this thread.

You really dont have to be insulting

Nobody in naruto is light speed. Both bleach and neruto are easily high hypersonic. Id give the edge to bleach because barring hiraishin bleach characters have shown better speed feats on panel.

The only characters city busting plus in the akatsuki are pein, madara and maybe obito. They ve shown it on panel. Itachi hasnt shown a dc feat on his own And i think them including itachi can take anyone in the espada due to a combo of higher dc and hax techniques.

The other akatsuki on the other hand would lose to espada 6 and up in my opinion

Ummmmm O.o I don't think you read bleach at all and yes I have read ALL of bleach and naruto shippuden to the current releases. Ichigo before even his bankai form against Kenpachi in their first fight destroyed a town when they did in one final strike.

Kenpachi and Bayukia don't really KILL Yammy. They disable him, you never see him die and it is explained later on that many of the espada didn't die if you read that far as Haribel and Grimmjow didn't die.

Aizen????! O.O Did you even read or watch Aizens Full release form who fought Ichigo in Mugetsu release? Aizen cannot even be killed with the Hoguyoku in him and he and ichigo nearly destroy cities with the swings of their swords hitting nothing O.o

Halibel destroys town level blasts with her sword O.o Her cero is the one that toasts buildings O.o

Kenpachi not destruction? O.o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPSVw5WDwSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvclk8MyklE

Hes weak sure, but has the ability to condense all the enemies he fights and grow stronger endlessly 🙂

He can target peoples heads and control them also. He sees everything. The only reason he was defeated is because Bayunkias bankai is numerous objects 🙂

It didn't make him immobile it made it so he was experiencing everything EXTREMELY slowly and unable to react to change fast enough. It was the only way to beat him because he could adapt endlessly and evolve so he took the evolving part out by slowing him down. If that unique take was not used he could never beat him.

In his release form he can use all the abilities of everyone he has consumed and one of them lets him use hallucinations which in narrutoverse is Genjutsu, specifically a hallucination genkai

I agree with Yungz. Realistically they would beat the ones below six but anything above wins.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
How many drugs did you do before posting these cockamamy statements?

I honestly think you may be addicted to Jenkem. Just because of how stupid your posts are.

The fastest demonstrably Shunpo in Bleach was by Kyoraku, which was one mile. And even still, the time frame wasn't given. The only definitive speed for Bleach characters is explosion scaling. This puts Aizen around mach 30-40.

Itachi blitzed a character who stomped Naruto AND Killer Bee at the same time. Two characters who are equal to, or faster than Raikage. Itachi > Weak, frail Nagato > Naruto > Killer Bee >= Raikage. And that's just from demonstrable speed. Itachi wasn't even the fastest in the Akatsuki. FYI, Raikage has light speed reaction time, and lightning+ movement speed.

GG

Ummmm Yourichi is the fastest if you don't count Aizen O.o

Raikage is ridiculously faster than either of them O.o Naruto and Killer bee are not even known for speed at all. Pretty much most of the traveling speed of any of the characters through out naruto are not even notable. Only the Raikage is really known to be fast in travel and especially in combat speed as that is his actual power.

Personal attacks are simply the basis for a weak argument so I literally take no actual regard to their mention.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Ummmm Yourichi is the fastest if you don't count Aizen O.o

Raikage is ridiculously faster than either of them O.o Naruto and Killer bee are not even known for speed at all. Pretty much most of the traveling speed of any of the characters through out naruto are not even notable. Only the Raikage is really known to be fast in travel and especially in combat speed as that is his actual power.

You must have missed the part where naruto dodged the Raikage then.

Originally posted by socool8520
You must have missed the part where naruto dodged the Raikage then.

Bleach characters are faster than the raikage too so its not much of a feat The flash step beats his raiton shield whrn it comes to speed. In the espada's case sonido

I thought thre has already been calcs that have stated that Narutoverse>Bleach in speed. I have only read up to Ichigo getting to where the espada live so I can't really judge

It has been a while but I am pretty sure the moment you are talking about is when Tsunade and the Raikage confront Naruto and Killer Bee? or When the Raikage first meets Naruto? Either way I am pretty sure he was just testing his resolve rather than ability in either encounter.

The arc from Arrancar is like 2/3 way into the anime. There is the part where Ichigo goes to Heuco Mundo, then it ends with the fight in Karakura Town which are two totally different levels as there is a basic part where Ichigo goes through like 1-2 years of training in minutes. When Ichigo beats Aizen its on the level of almost Goku/Freeza Fight.

Originally posted by socool8520
I thought thre has already been calcs that have stated that Narutoverse>Bleach in speed. I have only read up to Ichigo getting to where the espada live so I can't really judge

There faster than anyone in the akatsuki. EOS Sasuke, EOS naruto, obito, and 2nd and 4th hokae are prolly the only naruto characters as fast or faster than the espada. Three of those characters are even moving on their own accord they just use a teleportation technique

Originally posted by socool8520
I thought thre has already been calcs that have stated that Narutoverse>Bleach in speed. I have only read up to Ichigo getting to where the espada live so I can't really judge

Though in terms of actual ability, Zomarri could arguably solo if he weren't so friggin dumn.

Originally posted by yungz22
You really dont have to be insulting

Nobody in naruto is light speed. Both bleach and neruto are easily high hypersonic. Id give the edge to bleach because barring hiraishin bleach characters have shown better speed feats on panel.

The only characters city busting plus in the akatsuki are pein, madara and maybe obito. They ve shown it on panel. Itachi hasnt shown a dc feat on his own And i think them including itachi can take anyone in the espada due to a combo of higher dc and hax techniques.

The other akatsuki on the other hand would lose to espada 6 and up in my opinion

This thread is insulting.

Naruto is light speed. Teleporting, that is. Hiraishin can warp at light speed, according to Mabui. Anyone with Hiraishin or something similar is light speed. People like the Jyuubi hosts are even faster, because they can outspeed hiraishin, with reaction speed.

Raikage has LS reaction speed. GG

Itachi doesn't need town busting feats. His only real destructive attack is the Yasaka Magatama, which destroyed the equivalent of multiple mountains. Either way though, his hax such as genjutsu, Amaterasu, sharingan, Tsukiyomi, Susano'o with Totsuka blade and Yata mirror, and his massive physical stats putting him physically above Raikage, make him literally one of the most dangerous characters in the series. He could literally kill Madara, or be argued to even be able to beat Kaguya herself, just because of his monstrous hax.

None of the espada, other than Ulquiorra in his second form(who is the strongest of the espada, PERIOD), are town busting.

Originally posted by yungz22
Bleach characters are faster than the raikage too so its not much of a feat The flash step beats his raiton shield whrn it comes to speed. In the espada's case sonido

Show me Bleach characters moving lightning speed.

There are calcs putting Aizen at mach 22.

The Bleach verse gets stomped by Kakashi.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Show me Bleach characters moving lightning speed.

There are calcs putting Aizen at mach 22.

The Bleach verse gets stomped by Kakashi.

Lightning chakra doesnt equal lightning speed

Mach 22 is ~7,500 Meters per second, 1 meter = ~3 feet. 7500 x 3 x 60 Seconds x 60 minutes = 81,000,000 Feet per hour. There are 5280 feet in a mile. 15,340 Miles per hour. There are approximately 25,000 miles around the circumference of the earth. That means that in 2 hours Aizen could go around the planet of earth. The Naruto Planet is WAY smaller than earth and it took them days to travel from one country to another on foot at top speed. So Aizen and Ichigo in Mugetsu move faster than anything the Naruto Universe is capable of except Teleportation.

Ichigo in Mugetsu form is as fast as him so its not just Aizen. That means that Aizen could travel around the world in 2 hours, ICBMs take 3-4 hours to hit their targets. 😐 YA NARUTO IS FASTER! Right..... Kakashi and Raikage ARE NOT LIGHT SPEED. LIGHT SPEED is 671,000,000 Miles per hour. If they moved at light speed they would be able to travel around the earth 26,840 times in one hour. If they could do that every projectile thrown out during all of the battles in all of the Naruto Universe could have been intercepted and deflected resulting in the deaths of no one. 😐 So ya, NO.

Originally posted by yungz22
Lightning chakra doesnt equal lightning speed

Cutting lightning equals lightning speed.

Kirin = Lightning chakra = lightning speed.

Raikage = lightning speed, with light speed reflexes.

👆

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Mach 22 is ~7,500 Meters per second, 1 meter = ~3 feet. 7500 x 3 x 60 Seconds x 60 minutes = 81,000,000 Feet per hour. There are 5280 feet in a mile. 15,340 Miles per hour. There are approximately 25,000 miles around the circumference of the earth. That means that in 2 hours Aizen could go around the planet of earth. The Naruto Planet is WAY smaller than earth and it took them days to travel from one country to another on foot at top speed. So Aizen and Ichigo in Mugetsu move faster than anything the Naruto Universe is capable of except Teleportation.

Ichigo in Mugetsu form is as fast as him so its not just Aizen. That means that Aizen could travel around the world in 2 hours, ICBMs take 3-4 hours to hit their targets. 😐 YA NARUTO IS FASTER! Right..... Kakashi and Raikage ARE NOT LIGHT SPEED. LIGHT SPEED is 671,000,000 Miles per hour. If they moved at light speed they would be able to travel around the earth 26,840 times in one hour. If they could do that every projectile thrown out during all of the battles in all of the Naruto Universe could have been intercepted and deflected resulting in the deaths of no one. 😐 So ya, NO.

You're... You didn't pass anything in high school, did you?

The speed of sound, i.e. mach 1, is 761.2 miles per hour. Mach 22, which is mach 1 times 22, is 16,746.4 miles per hour.

*sigh* The Earth is 24,901 miles, i.e. 40,075 km, in circumference. That means Aizen could go around the world in roughly 1.5 hours. 90 minutes.

Where in all of Naruto does it say that the planet is smaller than Earth? Or hint at it, for that matter? Nowhere. We assume that their planet is equivalent to Earth, just like we do for Bleach, and every other series that hasn't defined it.

It took a group of chunin 3 days to travel, WALKING, not at top speed, to travel to another country. It took Gai less than a day, while carrying Kakashi. That's without even the use of gates, or being serious.

How stupid are you?

1. Raikage has light speed reaction, not movement. He can move as fast as Sasuke's lightning though, which is LIGHTNING speed.

2. Kakashi currently is much faster, with FTL reaction speed with sharingan.

3. Minato could teleport at light speed, and react almost as fast, meaning he could move around the world seven and a half times in one second, if he wanted to. He was blitzed by imperfect Jyuubidara, who is weak compared to Kaguya.

Now, just to show how fast Raikage is, let me tell you how fast lightning moves.

Lightning on average moves at around 224,000 miles per hour. Sound only moves at 761.2 mph. That makes lightning roughly mach 294. This means Raikage could travel the world in one TENTH of an hour. In other words, 6 minutes. This makes sense, as Mabui tried convincing him not to use teleporting, as he could reach the battlefield very quickly already.

So "ya", Kakashi solo's all of Bleach.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're... You didn't pass anything in high school, did you?

The speed of sound, i.e. mach 1, is 761.2 miles per hour. Mach 22, which is mach 1 times 22, is 16,746.4 miles per hour.

*sigh* The Earth is 24,901 miles, i.e. 40,075 km, in circumference. That means Aizen could go around the world in roughly 1.5 hours. 90 minutes.

Where in all of Naruto does it say that the planet is smaller than Earth? Or hint at it, for that matter? Nowhere. We assume that their planet is equivalent to Earth, just like we do for Bleach, and every other series that hasn't defined it.

It took a group of chunin 3 days to travel, WALKING, not at top speed, to travel to another country. It took Gai less than a day, while carrying Kakashi. That's without even the use of gates, or being serious.

How stupid are you?

1. Raikage has light speed reaction, not movement. He can move as fast as Sasuke's lightning though, which is LIGHTNING speed.

2. Kakashi currently is much faster, with FTL reaction speed with sharingan.

3. Minato could teleport at light speed, and react almost as fast, meaning he could move around the world seven and a half times in one second, if he wanted to. He was blitzed by imperfect Jyuubidara, who is weak compared to Kaguya.

Now, just to show how fast Raikage is, let me tell you how fast lightning moves.

Lightning on average moves at around 224,000 miles per hour. Sound only moves at 761.2 mph. That makes lightning roughly mach 294. This means Raikage could travel the world in one TENTH of an hour. In other words, 6 minutes. This makes sense, as Mabui tried convincing him not to use teleporting, as he could reach the battlefield very quickly already.

So "ya", Kakashi solo's all of Bleach.

My numbers are not even as off as you characterize them. I looked up the numbers and rounded up and down for ease 😐 And I took a lot more math than you I assure you as that is why I knew I could round to make it simple to understand and followable. I simply looked up the speed of Mach 22 and used the figure rather than try to calculate it because Mach 22 is literally a speed that can only be achieved in zero gravity or ICBMs and bullets in terms of man made.

It is obviously smaller based on the countries the map it depicts rather than continents. Bleach is ON EARTH because it says it is. Like Karakura town is in JAPAN and Chad Sado is from Mexico. Have you even read Bleach? Naruto takes place in a totally alternate setting and what we know about it is just by the map they show. Several nations with city centers that are barely cities.

Teleportation is totally different from travel itself. They can do that in Bleach to, but that is not what we are arguing. We are talking actual movement and apparently travel speed. Teleportation is the break down of a person into atoms and the reconstruction of them somewhere else which in both cases is done through magic/chakara/technology in these series.

Lighting travels in varying speeds in terms of the force of the conductivity of the electrons moving through the atmosphere in motion which looking at where you saw your numbers on google are some posters average speed. I assure you that lightning moves at the speed of light in the visible spectrum, slowed slightly by atmosphere. In order to react to the lightning he would need to be able to see it as it traveled which means he could see at lightspeed before it can move. The lighting manifested by chakra in Naruto is NOT accurate in speed because none of it would have a visible travel speed if it moved as fast as lghting or even close to light speed. It would simply be a charged instantaneous landing. Manga and Anime depicting lightning is always inaccurate so judging a characters speed by it is NOT feasible or accurate to say the least. If he could see and move that fast why does he need to travel anywhere because even a fraction of a millisecond would yield traveling around the world if he could truly have a reaction speed of light itself? The answer is that the lightning manifested by the chakra magic power stuff is not moving as fast as lighting or light.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Cutting lightning equals lightning speed.

Kirin = Lightning chakra = lightning speed.

Raikage = lightning speed, with light speed reflexes.

👆

Kakashi cutting lightning is only a rumor it hasnt been confirmed

All lightning is is electricity conducting through air. Whatever chakra is doing to create "lightning" it has nothing to do with lightspeed or lightning itself. Its just magic that looks like lightning. It would not travel the way it does and you could not "cut" it. It would just conduct through you.