Espada vs Akatsuki

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
My numbers are not even as off as you characterize them. I looked up the numbers and rounded up and down for ease 😐 And I took a lot more math than you I assure you as that is why I knew I could round to make it simple to understand and followable. I simply looked up the speed of Mach 22 and used the figure rather than try to calculate it because Mach 22 is literally a speed that can only be achieved in zero gravity or ICBMs and bullets in terms of man made.

It is obviously smaller based on the countries the map it depicts rather than continents. Bleach is ON EARTH because it says it is. Like Karakura town is in JAPAN and Chad Sado is from Mexico. Have you even read Bleach? Naruto takes place in a totally alternate setting and what we know about it is just by the map they show. Several nations with city centers that are barely cities.

Teleportation is totally different from travel itself. They can do that in Bleach to, but that is not what we are arguing. We are talking actual movement and apparently travel speed. Teleportation is the break down of a person into atoms and the reconstruction of them somewhere else which in both cases is done through magic/chakara/technology in these series.

Lighting travels in varying speeds in terms of the force of the conductivity of the electrons moving through the atmosphere in motion which looking at where you saw your numbers on google are some posters average speed. I assure you that lightning moves at the speed of light in the visible spectrum, slowed slightly by atmosphere. In order to react to the lightning he would need to be able to see it as it traveled which means he could see at lightspeed before it can move. The lighting manifested by chakra in Naruto is NOT accurate in speed because none of it would have a visible travel speed if it moved as fast as lghting or even close to light speed. It would simply be a charged instantaneous landing. Manga and Anime depicting lightning is always inaccurate so judging a characters speed by it is NOT feasible or accurate to say the least. If he could see and move that fast why does he need to travel anywhere because even a fraction of a millisecond would yield traveling around the world if he could truly have a reaction speed of light itself? The answer is that the lightning manifested by the chakra magic power stuff is not moving as fast as lighting or light.

They clearly were, as you were off by over a thousand miles per hour. The proof is in the pudding, sweet-cheeks. Real life man-made objects in this case mean less than nothing.

What you're saying is that, because the world is one continent, it is clearly nothing in size to the real world. Google the word, "Pangaea". 👆 All that proves is that the world is a single continent with small islands. That is all. And it makes sense, as not long before the actual story, the moon had just been created.

Bleach characters cannot teleport. They have not a single instance of doing so. If you're talking about flash step, and the like, then you're retarded. Flash step is fast movement used by shooting off of a single step. That's all. Hiraishin is light speed teleportation, and some characters have even managed to out speed even that in Naruto. Uh, no, teleportation is moving from one place to another instantly, through space and not time. Do you even know a SINGLE thing about math or science?

You... are unbelievably stupid. Of course the light FROM lightning moves at light speed, as does ALL light. Lightning is NOT light. Lightning is the completion of a circuit that courses energy in the form of electricity. That is all. Kirin is made from lightning chakra, and it LITERALLY IS lightning, shaped into a dragon with chakra control.

Hm, sounds a lot like "actual" lightning to me. Either way, it's the same speed as "actual" lightning, so, with Kakashi's lightning cutting feat, that puts Raikage with lightning armor at "actual" lightning speed. 👆

Again, dumb ass, lightning is not light speed. Raikage can react to things at light speed though.

Hmm, what was that about him not having LS reaction again?

And btw, for the most part, Raikage just runs places. He had to teleport to the battlefield though against Madara because of the giant freakin' meteors.

I like Akatsuki more because they are more interesting design wise.

I liked individual Arrancars better.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
They clearly were, as you were off by over a thousand miles per hour. The proof is in the pudding, sweet-cheeks. Real life man-made objects in this case mean less than nothing.

What you're saying is that, because the world is one continent, it is clearly nothing in size to the real world. Google the word, "Pangaea". 👆 All that proves is that the world is a single continent with small islands. That is all. And it makes sense, as not long before the actual story, the moon had just been created.

Bleach characters cannot teleport. They have not a single instance of doing so. If you're talking about flash step, and the like, then you're retarded. Flash step is fast movement used by shooting off of a single step. That's all. Hiraishin is light speed teleportation, and some characters have even managed to out speed even that in Naruto. Uh, no, teleportation is moving from one place to another instantly, through space and not time. Do you even know a SINGLE thing about math or science?

You... are unbelievably stupid. Of course the light FROM lightning moves at light speed, as does ALL light. Lightning is NOT light. Lightning is the completion of a circuit that courses energy in the form of electricity. That is all. Kirin is made from lightning chakra, and it LITERALLY IS lightning, shaped into a dragon with chakra control.

Hm, sounds a lot like "actual" lightning to me. Either way, it's the same speed as "actual" lightning, so, with Kakashi's lightning cutting feat, that puts Raikage with lightning armor at "actual" lightning speed. 👆

Again, dumb ass, lightning is not light speed. Raikage can react to things at light speed though.

Hmm, what was that about him not having LS reaction again?

And btw, for the most part, Raikage just runs places. He had to teleport to the battlefield though against Madara because of the giant freakin' meteors.

The fact that you continuously attack posters rather than actually argue a real point suggests your argument is weak.

I said I rounded up for ease..... a few thousand miles when talking about hundreds of thousands of miles per hour is far from invalidating an argument. You are just trying to redirect from a flawed argument.

I am saying that the size of the land masses versus the city centers of each nation suggest that the world in Naruto is comprised of a single continent like Asia size. Not a continuous super continent like pangea.

Arguing with you is pointless as you are just making up whatever is convenient to your argument. You obviously have never read Bleach or you would know that they they arrive from the soul society and huecho mundo is through teleportation of their souls through gates that send them through a manifestation of pathways through the spirit world. Teleportation does not move at lightspeed.... the term suggests that an object is broken down into atoms and recreated on sight. The move they did in Naruto suggested that their bodies would be launched at high speed in extreme pressures that would damage their bodies which is technically not teleportation but I would characterize it as the close that you could get outside of like a sci-fi.

How can you characterize a reaction to lighting without suggesting that he could not react to an image of an object moving. He has to see the object move as well as react to it. Even at the slower computation of lightning versus light speed the portrayal of lighting in the manga and anime are inaccurate as even at tens of thousands of miles per hour the phenomena would not manifest its discharge the same as portrayed. It would be a continuous stream of light and arc suggesting what is being manifested in chakra is not the same as lightning which is what I said now for a second time. In the series it may be called lighting but its not. You simply cannot comprehend it.

Why can you not think in a relatively reasonable manner and understand that they are not moving at lighting speed. If he could even move at that speed, let alone react at light speed than he would have stopped every projectile weapon thrown in the battle because obviously they are slower. REACT SUGGESTS HE CAN MOVE LIMBS THAT FAST and he can see and compute at light speed which would allow him to stop anything from hitting anyone even if he could move at lighting speed.

If he could move the speed of even lighting he would have arrived there faster than setting the teleport up 😐

Regardless you are unreasonable and obviously did not read the material you are arguing against.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
The fact that you continuously attack posters rather than actually argue a real point suggests your argument is weak.

I said I rounded up for ease..... a few thousand miles when talking about hundreds of thousands of miles per hour is far from invalidating an argument. You are just trying to redirect from a flawed argument.

I am saying that the size of the land masses versus the city centers of each nation suggest that the world in Naruto is comprised of a single continent like Asia size. Not a continuous super continent like pangea.

Arguing with you is pointless as you are just making up whatever is convenient to your argument. You obviously have never read Bleach or you would know that they they arrive from the soul society and huecho mundo is through teleportation of their souls through gates that send them through a manifestation of pathways through the spirit world. Teleportation does not move at lightspeed.... the term suggests that an object is broken down into atoms and recreated on sight. The move they did in Naruto suggested that their bodies would be launched at high speed in extreme pressures that would damage their bodies which is technically not teleportation but I would characterize it as the close that you could get outside of like a sci-fi.

How can you characterize a reaction to lighting without suggesting that he could not react to an image of an object moving. He has to see the object move as well as react to it. Even at the slower computation of lightning versus light speed the portrayal of lighting in the manga and anime are inaccurate as even at tens of thousands of miles per hour the phenomena would not manifest its discharge the same as portrayed. It would be a continuous stream of light and arc suggesting what is being manifested in chakra is not the same as lightning which is what I said now for a second time. In the series it may be called lighting but its not. You simply cannot comprehend it.

Why can you not think in a relatively reasonable manner and understand that they are not moving at lighting speed. If he could even move at that speed, let alone react at light speed than he would have stopped every projectile weapon thrown in the battle because obviously they are slower. REACT SUGGESTS HE CAN MOVE LIMBS THAT FAST and he can see and compute at light speed which would allow him to stop anything from hitting anyone even if he could move at lighting speed.

If he could move the speed of even lighting he would have arrived there faster than setting the teleport up 😐

Regardless you are unreasonable and obviously did not read the material you are arguing against.

Not really. It suggests that your argument is so daftly senseless that it confounds and frustrates actual posters. That's like saying that you didn't beat someone in a fight because you laughed at them after knocking them out. You're trying to avert attention from your own failed "argument", and everyone can tell.

Except you were talking about tens of thousands of mph, not hundreds. You literally were off by aROUND 10% that's pretty far off.

Redirect from a flawed argument? You being off by over a thousand miles per hour is YOUR flaw, not mine.

And what you're saying is completely stupid and baseless, considering that the towns are nowhere near each other, to the point where it takes normal people weeks to travel to one town from another. It's not as if all the villages and countries are bunched together. They are not even close to each other. Again, your argument is disproven by their being mountain ranges and oceans in the series, that you claim is taking place on a place the size of Texas. GG, you are just... I didn't even know people were stupid enough to think Oceans could fit in Texas.

"Teleportaion - The act or process of moving an object or person by psychokinesis.", the literal definition of teleportation. Movement by purely non-physical means. Shunpo uses physical speed to move quickly into a step. Hiraishin uses chakra to warp yourself at light speed to another location. Hiraishin is teleporting. Shunpo is not.

There you go again, using real word physics to determine the abilities of anime characters. The turn off of this argument should be the fact that people in real life cannot STOP TIME, TELEPORT, DESTROY PLANETS, FLY FASTER THAN LIGHT, DESTROY THE UNIVERSE, ETC. You're only making yourself seem more stupid. Lightning is not instantaneous, it can be photographed. Light is not even instantaneous. Photons move at light speed. They have slight mass. Boom.

Just because it can't happen in real life, doesn't mean it can't in a series. Otherwise, show me someone in real life blowing up a planet, or teleporting at light speed. 👆

He clearly CAN move his limbs that fast. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to move that speed at all, dumb ass. If the series author wants them to throw things faster than light, then they will. Not to mention that Raikage was able to dodge even Amaterasu, which was supposed to be instant according to most people's perspectives.

Again, this whole, "Real world physics describes fiction", thing you have going on is RETARDED. You're literally suggesting that someone who punches out mountains, teleports at light speed, shoots electricity out of his body, cuts his own arm off with a karate chop, and can make CLONES of himself with chakra, is bound to real world physics. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Again, IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM SIX MINUTES, BUT MABUI HAD THE TELEPORTATION SET UP. That is all. 👆

Sure, whatever. I have to say, you are honestly the stupidest person on this website. At least BS has the courtesy not to negate his entire argument by throwing real world logic principles into FICTIONAL DEBATES.

GG

Tao pai pai solos

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Tao pai pai solos

Sad thing is, I agree. Itachi would beat him, but only because of Genjutsu hax, and even then, he might be able to overpower it.

So just so we're clear:

1. Yammy VS Pain

2. Stark VS Itachi

3. Baraggan VS Kisame , this is the closest one, but Kisame wins because of his absorption which could absorb Respira as base chakra/reiatsu, along with the usual speed/strength advantage.

4. Tia Halibel VS Diedara

5. Ulquiorra VS Madara

6. Nnoitora VS Hidan

7. Grimmjow VS Orochimaru

8. Zommari VS Kakazu

9. Szayelaporro VS Sasori

10. Aaroniero VS Zetsu , due to the fact that he'd just summon Kaguya.

The Espada would totally win. Easily. Genjutsu will only work for a second or two.

Based on?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So just so we're clear:

1. Yammy VS [B]Pain

2. Stark VS Itachi

3. Baraggan VS Kisame , this is the closest one, but Kisame wins because of his absorption which could absorb Respira as base chakra/reiatsu, along with the usual speed/strength advantage.

4. Tia Halibel VS Diedara

5. Ulquiorra VS Madara

6. Nnoitora VS Hidan

7. Grimmjow VS Orochimaru

8. Zommari VS Kakazu

9. Szayelaporro VS Sasori

10. Aaroniero VS Zetsu , due to the fact that he'd just summon Kaguya. [/B]

I can agree with the rest.