Whitebeard Pirates vs Konoha

Originally posted by Bentley
Nop. Tsunade has a weak*ss will, she would be koed by royal haki. Power and will power don't always go hand to hand, if WB koes 10 powerful ninjas doing exactly nothing, Konoha's chances are going to be much slimmer from the get to go.

The strong ninja we've seen all seem pretty good in the willpower to me. Once Tsunade regained herself I can't even see her being bothered by it.

While it's true strength and willpower don't directly correspond, it's going to be a rare fluke ninja indeed who can ensure the grueling trials required to make it up the ranks and not develop a strong will. Being able to keep your cool in a tough situation is a key ninja skill.

We're often talking veterans of hundreds, and in some cases over a thousand, of battles, and also undaunted by facing crazy powerful enemies like Pain and Hanzo, been exposed to enemy genjutsu on many occasions, see comrades die, and so on.

I could see it in the case of a kekkei genkai user or other with rare talent, or a support ninja, so even some of the useful specialists might go down, but probably not any of the strongest ones like Jonin or Root.

And if the battle foes on long enough, those hit by haki may be able to rejoin the fray, especially with outside assistance.

oh for the love of

Let's see you have a crew of people who **** on Gear 2nd Luffy speedwise and are top tiers in the OP verse against the weakest verse in the shounen trinity Whitebeard pirates stomp this.

With enough prep time and haxxed powers, Naruto can compete to a degree. It is the weakest though, obviously.

ok, this is kinda silly. White beard himself could win this...it would be tough, but his durability combined with his sear power and skill make him an impossible person to beat. The only things that could beat him are Kamui and Shisui's eye, but still, neither are a guarantied kill, and both are used at extreme risk. If Kamui misses, what 3 times? I forget, but kakashi can't do it infinite amount of times. And If he misses once, he is dead. Shisui's eye might end up killing white beard...but still, he could survive that encounter.

Now, even If they succeed in killing whitebeard, there are still the commanders, who, each could also probably solo the village...though admittedly much more difficult than white beard.

There is no chance Konoha can pull out a win.

Originally posted by menokokoro
ok, this is kinda silly. White beard himself could win this...it would be tough, but his durability combined with his sear power and skill make him an impossible person to beat. The only things that could beat him are Kamui and Shisui's eye, but still, neither are a guarantied kill, and both are used at extreme risk. If Kamui misses, what 3 times? I forget, but kakashi can't do it infinite amount of times. And If he misses once, he is dead. Shisui's eye might end up killing white beard...but still, he could survive that encounter.

Don't forget possession, either of Whitebeard himself or of someone on his crew who could kill him.

I think Kakashi might be able to handle 4 if he doesn't use chakra for other stuff... and keep in mind he doesn't really have to give himself away to use it, there's no obvious trace from the kamui user to where it hits. He can do it from hiding.

Also two more tricks: there's water jutsu, and the Whitebeards have a lot of devil fruit users. Being submerged will put down even uber people (maybe combined with Earth to move them into watery underground coffins where people can't rescue them).

And simple Henge. If ninja start looking like Whitebeards, they can sow confusion, get Whitebeards to attack each other, prevent the use of area effect attacks, and similar.

In a strait out fight they'd stand no chance, but with an hour's prep and using the correct powers they have a laundry list of cheats to avoid being hit with the Whitebeard's power, to turn it against other Whitebeard's, and to neutralize it.

Would Konoha know about the Devil Fruit weakness and who in the WB crew posseses powers?

Yes. Because apparantly they need as many advantages as they can. Also I'm bumping it up to 4 hours prep.

Originally posted by Q99
Don't forget possession, either of Whitebeard himself or of someone on his crew who could kill him.

I think Kakashi might be able to handle 4 if he doesn't use chakra for other stuff... and keep in mind he doesn't really have to give himself away to use it, there's no obvious trace from the kamui user to where it hits. He can do it from hiding.

Also two more tricks: there's water jutsu, and the Whitebeards have a lot of devil fruit users. Being submerged will put down even uber people (maybe combined with Earth to move them into watery underground coffins where people can't rescue them).

And simple Henge. If ninja start looking like Whitebeards, they can sow confusion, get Whitebeards to attack each other, prevent the use of area effect attacks, and similar.

In a strait out fight they'd stand no chance, but with an hour's prep and using the correct powers they have a laundry list of cheats to avoid being hit with the Whitebeard's power, to turn it against other Whitebeard's, and to neutralize it.

Originally posted by menokokoro
All valid points, but like I said, none of that is a guaranteed win, and there are plenty of tough people who could take the place of whoever might have been taken out by techniques.

Oh yes, it's definitely no *guaranteed* win, but with prep time, on their home turf, and with stealth and similar abilities giving them good chance of surprise? It's also no stomp.

Listen white beard will just destroy all of konoha with two stomps they can have all the prep they need theres no defence against that and also his other crew mates are just as powerful especially his second man with the pheonix fruit konoha has no chance

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Listen white beard will just destroy all of konoha with two stomps they can have all the prep they need theres no defence against that and also his other crew mates are just as powerful especially his second man with the pheonix fruit konoha has no chance

Read the thread.

That they have counters for people of tremendous power, such as possessing those uber-powerful people and genjutsu, has specifically come up.

Genjutsu only works on people with chakra which they dnt have so anyway.... Like i said he stomps twice and destroys all of konoha

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Genjutsu only works on people with chakra which they dnt have so anyway....

Genjutsu works by using chakra to seize control of the senses, including stuff without proper chakra.

Possession, we've seen it work on birds.

Originally posted by Q99
Genjutsu works by using chakra to seize control of the senses, including stuff without proper chakra.

Possession, we've seen it work on birds.

Um no actually genjutsu is used to disrupt the chakra in your opponents mind and creating illusions and like i said tbey have no chakra in their minds or bodies unlike in naruto where everything even animals have chakra so white beard pirates win

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Um no actually genjutsu is used to disrupt the chakra in your opponents mind and creating illusions and like i said tbey have no chakra in their minds or bodies unlike in naruto where everything even animals have chakra

If everything, even birds, have 'chakra', what makes you think the Whitebeards don't?

In the general sense it just means universal lifeforce. Only ninja have developed chakra, but "chakra" in the sense needed for genjutsu is just as basic to all living things. It's even described- just physical energy and spiritual energy, of which OP characters have both.

It's as universal as the Force in Star Wars, and we'd assume that'd still work in crossovers.

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Anyway, with Genjutsu, they definitely have a chance.

No it doesnt work in both why is it so hard for you guys to get it through your thick heads people from one piece dnt have chakra it was never mentioned or said about anything having to do with life force so that means it doesnt exist in their world dnt say it exists without any proof or just saying it does because chakra is natural energy if they dnt mention it then they dnt have it end of point

Originally posted by Radarock1971
No it doesnt work in both why is it so hard for you guys to get it through your thick heads people from one piece dnt have chakra it was never mentioned or said about anything having to do with life force so that means it doesnt exist in their world dnt say it exists without any proof or just saying it does because chakra is natural energy if they dnt mention it then they dnt have it end of point

It's a universal thing. Like I mentioned, if we were talking Star Wars we wouldn't assume the Force wouldn't work.

OP might not use the world chakra, but they definitely have both physical and spirit energy. It doesn't need to be proper chakra (that is the combined version, which animals don't have) for it to work.

Also from another viewpoint- Genjutsu is one of ninja's three main abilities. Cut it out and you're nerfing them. Then it's Whitebeard Pirates vs Nerfed Ninja. Which is... well, yea, you nerf a side of one of it's main abilities and the one that'd be most useful in a fight! Of course it'd lose.

Listen its not my fault this guy put konoha peoplle with chakra vs white beard people without chakra im just commenting on it and people just cant say o chakra is natural energy with no proof can you show anyone natural energy can doctors remove chakra points from people can you prove it exists if you cant answer these then your statement is irrelevant i dnt go off of o everyone has chakra because its universal i go off of proof and facts and the fact is spiritual or universal energy or chakra has not bern mentioned or shown in one piece thus it doesnt exist

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Listen its not my fault this guy put konoha peoplle with chakra vs white beard people without chakra im just commenting on it and people just cant say o chakra is natural energy with no proof can you show anyone natural energy can doctors remove chakra points from people can you prove it exists if you cant answer these then your statement is irrelevant i dnt go off of o everyone has chakra because its universal i go off of proof and facts and the fact is spiritual or universal energy or chakra has not bern mentioned or shown in one piece thus it doesnt exist

One Piece pretty explicitly has both physical and spiritual energy. One, you have... well, physical energy. Of course, that exists in real life. Two, you have flat-out ghosts, you have stuff like haki, etc. etc..

That they use different words doesn't matter much.

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Look, if something works universally in one setting on every living thing, the default assumption is it'll work in a crossover too. That's just the best way to do stuff if you want to hold debates.

Originally posted by Q99
One Piece pretty explicitly has both physical and spiritual energy. One, you have... well, physical energy. Of course, that exists in real life. Two, you have flat-out ghosts, you have stuff like haki, etc. etc..

That they use different words doesn't matter much.

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Look, if something works universally in one setting on every living thing, the default assumption is it'll work in a crossover too. That's just the best way to do stuff if you want to hold debates.

Do you even watch one piece? Haki has nothing to do with spiritual energy number two there arent any ghosts in one piece except for that girl at thriller bark and thats a devil fruit power so its questionable if those are even real spirits or just a devil fruit power and spiritual energy is not a proved fact.. This is what your not getting you cant say something exists with no proof if this was court you would lose because just saying something over and over doesnt make it true if you can show me spiritual and universal energy and prove to me it exists until then your being irrelevant