Originally posted by carver9
So you are sticking t this rebuilding city argument?How long did it take him to build it? No time was given.
No time needs to be given. Look at details in the scenario. The combination of him taking off and then in a single panel a block of buildings are already uplifted. And then the reaction of the bizarro citizens who are still in place looking at it all.
seconds to few minutes. No more than that.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No time needs to be given. Look at details in the scenario. The combination of him taking off and then in a single panel a block of buildings are already uplifted. And then the reaction of the bizarro citizens who are still in place looking at it all.seconds to few minutes. No more than that.
So do you have any combat scenerios besides something that happened in a bizzaro comic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So him rebuilding a city is a now a h2h combat feat... Jesus :facepalm:
No. Genius.
It's not a combat feat. Nor did I say it was. It doesn't have to be.
It's a demonstration of non-linear movement that is logically *TRANSLATABLE* to combat speed. Slow bags like Hulk or Thor have never demonstrated being capable of something like this.
Originally posted by Starscream M
its a speed feat...that is relevant to combat
Right and the factors and circumstances and variables for a fight are much different than repairing a city... So with so many different variables in play.. it has very little significance, and certainly not evidence for a h2h fight.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. Genius.It's not a combat feat. Nor did I say it was. It doesn't have to be.
It's a demonstration of non-linear movement that is logically *TRANSLATABLE* to combat speed. Slow bags like Hulk or Thor have never demonstrated being capable of something like this.
Read above. What it does show is Supes is a good man to call on to rebuild a city.. what it doesn't show is his h2h prowess
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right and the factors and circumstances and variables for a fight are much different than repairing a city... So with so many different variables in play.. it has very little significance, and certainly not evidence for a h2h fight.
Oh you're right.
The factors are different; In that building a city with your bare hands (and surely a liberal mix of HV here and there to patch things up) is a lot more complicated than simply stretching your arm out in the motion that is typically denoted as a 'punch'.
I ask you, if Superman even builds a single skyscraper in just a second, how fast is he moving his arms in that single second? Putting on every brick, carefully adjusting all of its positioning so that its stable, making sure the geometry is polished looking...
And then imagine him doing that for a whole city, in only a slightly longer time frame.
You're not understanding and this really isn't that complicated.. Let me try this really slow… you see in a fight there is someone ACTUALLY FIGHT BACK and trying to defeat you. They are using their skill, mind, strength and body movement to do so. A building, in case you didn't know, won't do these things during a combat situation. In fact, it won't do much of anything AT ALL. I didn't think I actually had to explain how there are vastly different variables at play for each situation.. but sadly I guess so.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're not understanding and this really isn't that complicated.. Let me try this really slow… you see in a fight there is someone ACTUALLY FIGHT BACK and trying to defeat you. They are using their skill, mind, strength and body movement to do so. A building, in case you didn't know, won't do these things during a combat situation. In fact, it won't do much of anything AT ALL. I didn't think I actually had to explain how there are vastly different variables at play for each situation.. but sadly I guess so.
Ah.
I see you are one of those individuals that cannot think beyond abstract terms such 'fight', 'punch', 'kick' etc and actually needs the significance of everything explained to you.
I will do so.
You see, what I'm talking about here, is speed if you didn't understand the first time. Movement speed. Reaction speed. Basically, Motor skills. What it *appears* you are trying to do is somehow translate what I am saying to mean that Superman is a skilled combatant because he can remake a city. No sir. I am not. I am saying Superman's combat *SPEED*--no mention of skill or prowess--simply *SPEED* would be unimaginable because he can do complex tasks that FAR outshine the necessary brain power and motor skills it would need to dodge or react to a punch.
Superman makes a *city* with his bare hands, in seconds, ergo, he's moving his hands VERY ****ING FAST. Ergo, he can move his hands very fast meaning he can PUNCH VERY ****ING FAST. It's a lot more complex showing of motor skill/muscle usage than simply outstretching an arm to demonstrate a punch or moving your neck in a show of head movement against an incoming punch. And his reaction time is of course excellent because he is able to process all the work that is necessary to do the task while his body is moving at such incredible speeds.
Please grasp the meaning of the term 'motor skills' before you try to debate on issues like this in the future. Because what you are basically suggesting is that Superman in 'city construction mode' has completely different neuromuscular capabilities than 'fight mode' Superman. As if the former is some magic spell he is casting that only works when he's making buildings...LOL. You are not too bright I'm afraid to say.
I said it once I'll say it again, PIS-less Supes is untouchable to the vast majority of Marvel top tiers.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Ah.I see you are one of those individuals that cannot think beyond abstract terms such 'fight', 'punch', 'kick' etc and actually needs the significance of everything explained to you.
I will do so.
You see, what I'm talking about here, is speed if you didn't understand the first time. Movement speed. Reaction speed. Basically, Motor skills. What it *appears* you are trying to do is somehow translate what I am saying to mean that Superman is a skilled combatant because he can remake a city. No sir. I am not. I am saying Superman's combat *SPEED*--no mention of skill or prowess--simply *SPEED* would be unimaginable because he can do complex tasks that FAR outshine the necessary brain power and motor skills it would need to dodge or react to a punch.
Superman makes a *city* with his bare hands, in seconds, ergo, he's moving his hands VERY ****ING FAST. Ergo, he can move his hands very fast meaning he can PUNCH VERY ****ING FAST. It's a lot more complex showing of motor skill/muscle usage than simply outstretching an arm to demonstrate a punch or moving your neck in a show of head movement against an incoming punch. And his reaction time is of course excellent because he is able to process all the work that is necessary to do the task while his body is moving at such incredible speeds.
Please grasp the meaning of the term 'motor skills' before you try to debate on issues like this in the future. Because what you are basically suggesting is that Superman in 'city construction mode' has completely different neuromuscular capabilities than 'fight mode' Superman. As if the former is some magic spell he is casting that only works when he's making buildings...LOL. You are not too bright I'm afraid to say.
I said it once I'll say it again, PIS-less Supes is untouchable to the vast majority of Marvel top tiers.
You really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you? It's not me not understanding what "motor skills" means, it's you who doesn't understand the extreme difference in application. Let me dumb this down for you...
Lets say we have one guy that is a jack of all trades and very good with his hands. In fact, he is better than most when it comes to building houses faster than anyone else. He's fighting another human with the same build as the first guy. Your telling me.. because someone tells you this guy can build a house quicker.. you would pick him as the winner by default? If so, then you're a bigger idiot then I thought. Building a house doesn't = fighting skill or how a fight would play out. It's a useless factor that doesn't have much significance to how you would pick a winner for a fight. I know that is clearly a foreign concept to you, but it really has little significance to a h2h encounter.
Have you ever been on the right side of an argument kurupt? 😛
He was talking about Superman's overall speed i.e. hand speed, body speed, reaction speed (because he's zigzagging and fleeting about in a relatively limited area) and even mental processing speed (because he's performing a task far more complex than fighting, in a situation where he's moving far quicker than he'd need to be moving against Zeus).
There's no comparison (aside from the fact that he also has blitzing feats) exchanging punches with Zeus would be far less complex a task for his mental processing abilities or his reflexes than building a city in seconds or minutes. There's nothing to argue about really.
Blocking, dodging and throwing punches is a lot simpler than building a city in moments. This would be more arguable if Supes didn't have blitzing feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Why didn't he have a better showing against Titus who at best is ALMOST equal to Zeus and against Despero who at best is ALMOST equal to Zeus.He got one shotted by both.
Two obscure one-shots. Good job carver.
He also had better showings against Dominus, Darkseid, and Asmodel among others. Fighting at full capacity, as per forum rules, he doesn't get tagged as easily, but you knew that, you've been told numerous times. That said, yes he does do a considerable amount better than hulk, due to better durability and speed (combat, travel, reaction time) and overall better h2h skill. This is not to say that he would win against Zeus, just that he would last longer and get more hits in. Even without using sucker punches.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So him rebuilding a city is a now a h2h combat feat... Jesus :facepalm:
So surfer navigating through the universe is now a reaction time feat? Jee whiz. Facepalm. ...sarcasm.jpg
Suffice it to say that I think you're missing the point.
So he can rebuild cities in a panel, but he can't clench his hands into fists and move them at the same speed? That's like saying a steak knife can only cut steak. 😬
Originally posted by Allankles
Have you ever been on the right side of an argument kurupt? 😛He was talking about Superman's overall speed i.e. hand speed, body speed, reaction speed (because he's zigzagging and fleeting about in a relatively limited area) and even mental processing speed (because he's performing a task far more complex than fighting, in a situation where he's moving far quicker than he'd need to be moving against Zeus).
There's no comparison (aside from the fact that he also has blitzing feats) exchanging punches with Zeus would be far less complex a task for his mental processing abilities or his reflexes than building a city in seconds or minutes. There's nothing to argue about really.
Blocking, dodging and throwing punches is a lot simpler than building a city in moments. This would be more arguable if Supes didn't have blitzing feats.
this.
of course that type of feat is translatable--as ankles said--building a city>>>>>>>>throwing some punches. c'mon now. and carver, are you seriously insiunuating superman can't throw 20 punches/second? 😕
oh, and zeus wins everytime--but if it stays JUST h2h and kal DOES use his speed, he could make zeus work more than hulk did. on a seperate note--i wonder how zeus would do against clark's speed? likely just wait it out and pummel him when he slowed down, but if kal worked to avoid some punches he would at least last longer than hulk.