Originally posted by Allankles
Have you ever been on the right side of an argument kurupt? 😛He was talking about Superman's overall speed i.e. hand speed, body speed, reaction speed (because he's zigzagging and fleeting about in a relatively limited area) and even mental processing speed (because he's performing a task far more complex than fighting, in a situation where he's moving far quicker than he'd need to be moving against Zeus).
There's no comparison (aside from the fact that he also has blitzing feats) exchanging punches with Zeus would be far less complex a task for his mental processing abilities or his reflexes than building a city in seconds or minutes. There's nothing to argue about really.
Blocking, dodging and throwing punches is a lot simpler than building a city in moments. This would be more arguable if Supes didn't have blitzing feats.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apparently to Kurupt if Superman isn't punching someone while doing a feat, said feat is utterly inapplicable and irrelevant in a battle discussion.
Point me to where I said such a thing. In fact, what I said is very clear.. You can take minute details from said feat and "try" and equate that to a combat feat.. yet not very much can be applied. They are too totally different situations with many different variables. I'm saying it's not close to the same.. while others are saying.. it's the same and totally applicable.. and I'm on the wrong side LOL.
As stated previously... just because one of my friends repairs a wall much faster than my other friend... doesn't mean I would use that factor much, if at all, on who I would pick to win a fight. Very distinct variables for a fight and repairing whatever. To try and equate the two as the same and evidence is laughable.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point me to where I said such a thing. In fact, what I said is very clear.. You can take minute details from said feat and "try" and equate that to a combat feat.. yet not very much can be applied. They are too totally different situations with many different variables. I'm saying it's not close to the same.. while others are saying.. it's the same and totally applicable.. and I'm on the wrong side LOL.As stated previously... just because one of my friends repairs a wall much faster than my other friend... doesn't mean I would use that factor much, if at all, on who I would pick to win a fight. Very distinct variables for a fight and repairing whatever. To try and equate the two as the same and evidence is laughable.
If a guy lifts a car over his head in a non-combat situation you would still have to admit that his proven strength would be a factor in a fight no?
You're right though, rebuilding a city super fast isn't the same as punching someone super fast. It's much more difficult.
The rebuilding feat proves that Superman has incredibly fast movement speed, mental processing power, and dexterity, all things that are useful in a fight.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Jesus...If a guy lifts a car over his head in a non-combat situation you would still have to admit that his proven strength would be a factor in a fight no?
You're right though, rebuilding a city super fast isn't the same as punching someone super fast. It's much more difficult.
The rebuilding feat proves that Superman has incredibly fast movement speed, mental processing power, and dexterity, all things that are useful in a fight.
All useful things.. which I already stated long ago.. Question is... you would use this as a h2h display and combat feat to prove superman's h2h prowess.. THAT is the question and argument here.. not if we can take anything from the feat that would be relevant to a fight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
All useful things.. which I already stated long ago.. Question is... you would use this as a h2h display and combat feat to prove superman's h2h prowess.. THAT is the question and argument here.. not if we can take anything from the feat that would be relevant to a fight.
It doesn't change the fact that punching someone x-hundred amount of times in a second isn't more demanding than rebuilding an entire city in the blink of an eye.
Unless you think Superman is somehow incapable of moving his fists back and forth super fast.
If that's the case then there's really nothing more for us to discuss.
It depends on how durable Zeus is. Is he as durable as the Source empowered IM or less so? Was Hulk going to pose a threat physically if he got to land his punches?
The answer to these questions is what would determine the fight. Because if Hulk is strong enough to hurt him - given a chance to inflict damage - then Supes would beat Zeus eventually.
If current hulk could hurt zeus doesn't mean that other people could. Hulk has also physically tanked Red Hulks hits along with one shotting him but that doesn't mean that other heralds could do the same thing. Hulk was shrugging off 100 trillion ton punches but that doesn't mean that other heralds could do it.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I wonder why people still bother arguing with Carver.
I go by feats.
Just because quick silver and gladiator have super speed doesn't mean that they could throw a trillion punches in less than a second. If someone haven't done this on panel, it should not be used.
People always go around saying that flash would punch someone a million time before they blink... when has this happened? Don't we go by on panel showings?
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was shrugging off 100 trillion ton punches but that doesn't mean that other heralds could do it.
Originally posted by carver9you do realize many heralds take planet shattering hits, crushing forces of blackholes, Suns and scores of planets, right?
If current hulk could hurt zeus doesn't mean that other people could. Hulk has also physically tanked Red Hulks hits along with one shotting him but that doesn't mean that other heralds could do the same thing. Hulk was shrugging off 100 trillion ton punches but that doesn't mean that other heralds could do it.
the 100 trillion ton is irrelevent to many heralds
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you? It's not me not understanding what "motor skills" means, it's you who doesn't understand the extreme difference in application. Let me dumb this down for you...Lets say we have one guy that is a jack of all trades and very good with his hands. In fact, he is better than most when it comes to building houses faster than anyone else. He's fighting another human with the same build as the first guy. Your telling me.. because someone tells you this guy can build a house quicker.. you would pick him as the winner by default? If so, then you're a bigger idiot then I thought. Building a house doesn't = fighting skill or how a fight would play out. It's a useless factor that doesn't have much significance to how you would pick a winner for a fight. I know that is clearly a foreign concept to you, but it really has little significance to a h2h encounter.
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