Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point me to where I said such a thing. In fact, what I said is very clear.. You can take minute details from said feat and "try" and equate that to a combat feat.. yet not very much can be applied. They are too totally different situations with many different variables. I'm saying it's not close to the same.. while others are saying.. it's the same and totally applicable.. and I'm on the wrong side LOL.As stated previously... just because one of my friends repairs a wall much faster than my other friend... doesn't mean I would use that factor much, if at all, on who I would pick to win a fight. Very distinct variables for a fight and repairing whatever. To try and equate the two as the same and evidence is laughable.
So if your friend can repair a building in a couple of seconds... this would have no bearing on a fight between you two? This isn't just putting up drywall. It's rebuilding a city... in a panel.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Anyway, Zeus ain't touching Supes.Not with his fists.
I like this kind of argument.
With that said... in a fist fight... all these peeps can beat or stalemate zeus.
Quicksilver
Sentry
Wolverine (outpaced speed demon)
Hyperion
Gladiator
Supreme
Mimic
Northstar
Aurora
Spiderman
Martian Manhunter
Ironman (flown faster than light on 3 occasions and has nano seconds feats)
Silver Surfer
Al of my fave peeps can either stomp or stalemate Zeus.
Let's ignore everything that has happened on panel with each and every last one of these people getting slapped around every issue... they all punch Zeus a million times before he blinks.
Originally posted by Sirius77
So if your friend can repair a building in a couple of seconds... this would have no bearing on a fight between you two? This isn't just putting up drywall. It's rebuilding a city... in a panel.
Quicksilver put a hundred piece puzzle together in less than a second, does that mean that he can hit Silver Surfer a hundred times before he had the chance to react?
Originally posted by carver9
Quicksilver put a hundred piece puzzle together in less than a second, does that mean that he can hit Silver Surfer a hundred times before he had the chance to react?
No, because navigating through the universe at ftl speeds is a little more complex than solving a 100 piece puzzle really fast. 🙂
Originally posted by CosmicCometPIS off Zeus amps his speed and strength and creams Supes
PIS off, I could see Superman dodging everything that Zeus throws at him easily.He's not just some silly point A to point B FTL traveler like Surfer. He actually has speed and reaction time on that level. i.e. he can punch God knows how many times in a single second, at least thousands.
Originally posted by Sirius77
No, because navigating through the universe at ftl speeds is a little more complex than solving a 100 piece puzzle really fast. 🙂
Ok, so with that said he could hit Konvikt or Despero a 100 times before they reacted.
So with that said, since Gladiator is a true light speedster he could take on both Despero and konvikt at the same time and hit each of them a thousand times in a second and defeat them because they don't have the speed to keep up with him. Is this what you are telling me?
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, so with that said he could hit Konvikt or Despero a 100 times before they reacted.
Maybe. Maybe not. Their reaction time is pretty good. Under a non-PIS environment, fighting to his full capacity, it would be much more difficult for either one of them to keep up with superman.
Originally posted by carver9
So with that said, since Gladiator is a true light speedster he could take on both Despero and konvikt at the same time and hit each of them a thousand times in a second and defeat them because they don't have the speed to keep up with him. Is this what you are telling me?
True light speedster? I love it how you wank your favorite characters to the point of ridiculousness and then lowball characters with better combat speed feats.
No. That isn't what I'm telling you. Gladiator had like one time dilation combat feat and now you're saying that because of that one feat, you're implying he's above superman in combat speed? Is that what you're saying? In a comic book, Gladiator would get tagged just as easily as superman. With PIS off superman is still faster.
Btw, hulk got his ass kicked and superman would have lasted longer. Stop being butthurt because hulk got spanked by Zeus. I know he's your favorite character, we all have some, but have some dignity man. Not trying to be rude, but just sayin.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Maybe. Maybe not. Their reaction time is pretty good. Under a non-PIS environment, fighting to his full capacity, it would be much more difficult for either one of them to keep up with superman.True light speedster? I love it how you wank your favorite characters to the point of ridiculousness and then lowball characters with better combat speed feats.
No. That isn't what I'm telling you. Gladiator had like one time dilation combat feat and now you're saying that because of that one feat, you're implying he's above superman in combat speed? Is that what you're saying? In a comic book, Gladiator would get tagged just as easily as superman. With PIS off superman is still faster.
Btw, hulk got his ass kicked and superman would have lasted longer. Stop being butthurt because hulk got spanked by Zeus. I know he's your favorite character, we all have some, but have some dignity man. Not trying to be rude, but just sayin.
This isn't about Superman, I am asking about glads. By the way, gladiator has numerous of combat speed feats.
What I amsking you is, if I pit gladiator against Konvikt and Despero with PIS off, since we know gladiator is a true light speedster, he can beat both Despero and Konvikt at the same time? Is this what you are telling me?
Originally posted by carver9
Quicksilver put a hundred piece puzzle together in less than a second, does that mean that he can hit Silver Surfer a hundred times before he had the chance to react?
Sure. Especially with writer armor off.
When has Surfer ever demonstrated motor function putting him at anything close to high end super speed?
He flies by fast and shoots things ahead of his line of view, similar to a jet fighter pilot--(who obviously do not have Mach speed reactions despite their aircraft being Mach speed). He does not blitz people physically like Superman does. He cannot move his limbs particularly fast.
This clown got hit by Rhino.
Originally posted by carver9
This isn't about Superman, I am asking about glads. By the way, gladiator has numerous of combat speed feats.What I amsking you is, if I pit gladiator against Konvikt and Despero with PIS off, since we know gladiator is a true light speedster, he can beat both Despero and Konvikt at the same time? Is this what you are telling me?
It depends on if Despero and Konvikt were meant to be able to have reactions fast enough to tag a PIS-less Superman.
If Superman was indeed actually trying to use his super speed against them, then no, Gladiator cannot beat them at the same time.
If them beating on Supes was simply PIS? Then absolutely, Gladiator can fight them and keep from getting hit.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Sure. Especially with writer armor off.When has Surfer ever demonstrated motor function putting him at anything close to high end super speed?
He flies by fast and shoots things ahead of his line of view, similar to a jet fighter pilot--(who obviously do not have Mach speed reactions despite their aircraft being Mach speed). He does not blitz people physically like Superman does. He cannot move his limbs particularly fast.
This clown got hit by Rhino.
Answer the above question please.
Originally posted by carver9
This isn't about Superman, I am asking about glads. By the way, gladiator has numerous of combat speed feats.
Did you read the thread? Yes it is about Superman.
Just curious. Name some.
Originally posted by carver9
What I amsking you is, if I pit gladiator against Konvikt and Despero with PIS off, since we know gladiator is a true light speedster, he can beat both Despero and Konvikt at the same time? Is this what you are telling me?
I'm asking you, are you implying that superman is not a "true light speedster"?
Also, no, he cannot beat them both at the same time if we are using high end versions. They are both portrayed as team busters with enough reaction time to take on heralds. Despero was man handling 2 hh and two mid heralds often at the same time, and had the reaction time to not just keep up with them all, but to also block them and slam their heads together, then catch the rock of eternity after he was done. Gladiator would get raped by high end despero. More than likely oneshotted. The same with Konvict. In his only showing, he was matching WW and Superman in h2h, so no Gladiator would not be able to handle him either.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Did you read the thread? Yes it is about Superman.Just curious. Name some.
I'm asking you, are you implying that superman is not a "true light speedster"?
Also, no, he cannot beat them both at the same time if we are using high end versions. They are both portrayed as team busters with enough reaction time to take on heralds. Despero was man handling 2 hh and two mid heralds often at the same time, and had the reaction time to not just keep up with them all, but to also block them and slam their heads together, then catch the rock of eternity after he was done. Gladiator would get raped by high end despero. More than likely oneshotted. The same with Konvict. In his only showing, he was matching WW and Superman in h2h, so no Gladiator would not be able to handle him either.
From what I seen of that fight, Despero wasn't using any Super Speed because if that was the case, he would have dodged that mace shot to the face by hawk girl.
Him taking on heralds doesn't prove that he have super speed. Grundy fought both Supes AND kyle at the same time and was stomping them and Grundy doesn't have a speed feat under his belt.
Konvikt took on multiples of heralds at once. Shaggyman has done the same thing. The general has also done this. Neither of these peeps have the speed that you are using as a combat scenrio as super speed.
Again, if I take cis, pis, cip off, can glad take on both of them and stomp without getting touched? Same for wonder woman, if I take cip, cis, and pis off, can she take on both and stomp them without getting touched?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosipis cis remember that to the best of their ability clause thing in the forum rules... in a fist fight thats near flash levels for supes.
Please stop. Superman gets hit the vast vast majority of time.. even against Street lvlers? He would get hit here, and that would be in the end of it.
Originally posted by carver9
From what I seen of that fight, Despero wasn't using any Super Speed because if that was the case, he would have dodged that mace shot to the face by hawk girl.
Well considering he was battling like four heralds at the time, suffice it to say he was a little busy to respond to hawkgirl's mace... 😬
Originally posted by carver9
Him taking on heralds doesn't prove that he have super speed. Grundy fought both Supes AND kyle at the same time and was stomping them and Grundy doesn't have a speed feat under his belt.
Carver. Why do you argue like this? You always lowball characters. Namely ones with an "S" on their chest. "Oh Superman got tagged!!! He must be slow!!!" Seriously give it a rest. I thought Pr had a talk with you about this. Learn the definitions of PIS and Jobbing and then reread the forum rules, specifically the ones involving "full capacity".
Originally posted by carver9
Konvikt took on multiples of heralds at once. Shaggyman has done the same thing. The general has also done this. Neither of these peeps have the speed that you are using as a combat scenrio as super speed.
Prove Konvict doesn't have lightspeed reaction. So? I don't see how bringing up all the times a character has been hit takes away their super speed. Want me to name the times that Gladiator has been hit? He is a "true light speedster" according to you.
So again, are you implying that none of these characters (Despero and Konvict) have lightspeed reaction time? So I guess neither does thanos?
Also, I'm asking you, are you implying that superman is not a "true light speedster"?
Originally posted by carver9
Again, if I take cis, pis, cip off, can glad take on both of them and stomp without getting touched? Same for wonder woman, if I take cip, cis, and pis off, can she take on both and stomp them without getting touched?
I literally just answered your question. Read my post.
"Also, no, he cannot beat them both at the same time if we are using high end versions. They are both portrayed as team busters with enough reaction time to take on heralds. Despero was man handling 2 hh and two mid heralds often at the same time, and had the reaction time to not just keep up with them all, but to also block them and slam their heads together, then catch the rock of eternity after he was done. Gladiator would get raped by high end despero. More than likely oneshotted. The same with Konvict. In his only showing, he was matching WW and Superman in h2h, so no Gladiator would not be able to handle him either. "
Also, no wonder woman would not.
Where are you getting all of this lol?
Originally posted by Sirius77
Well considering he was battling like four heralds at the time, suffice it to say he was a little busy to respond to hawkgirl's mace... 😬Carver. Why do you argue like this? You always lowball characters. Namely ones with an "S" on their chest. "Oh Superman got tagged!!! He must be slow!!!" Seriously give it a rest. I thought Pr had a talk with you about this. Learn the definitions of PIS and Jobbing and then reread the forum rules, specifically the ones involving "full capacity".
Prove Konvict doesn't have lightspeed reaction. So? I don't see how bringing up all the times a character has been hit takes away their super speed. Want me to name the times that Gladiator has been hit? He is a "true light speedster" according to you.
So again, are you implying that none of these characters (Despero and Konvict) have lightspeed reaction time? So I guess neither does thanos?
Also, I'm asking you, are you implying that superman is not a "true light speedster"?
I [B]literally
just answered your question. Read my post."Also, no, he cannot beat them both at the same time if we are using high end versions. They are both portrayed as team busters with enough reaction time to take on heralds. Despero was man handling 2 hh and two mid heralds often at the same time, and had the reaction time to not just keep up with them all, but to also block them and slam their heads together, then catch the rock of eternity after he was done. Gladiator would get raped by high end despero. More than likely oneshotted. The same with Konvict. In his only showing, he was matching WW and Superman in h2h, so no Gladiator would not be able to handle him either. "
Also, no wonder woman would not.
Where are you getting all of this lol? [/B]
Wow... you have completely change our arguments. I am not saying that glads is faster than superman... my entire argument has NOTHING to do with Superman. Keep him out of our discussion. This is about Gladiator, hyperion, mimic, it doesn't matter. In my eyes, these people are hittable and can be tagged going by showings. Gladiator have light speed showings but going by on panel showings, he can be tagged imo.
Wonder woman can be tagged as well, mimic, etc, etc...
My argument has nothing to do with Superman. You were the one that jumped in me and cosmic argument not knowing what was going on. Then you change our entire argument, basically putting words in my mouth stating that I am saying that glads is faster than Supes.
I used glads as an argument since he also contains Super speed. Reread our arguments and come back and reply because you misinterpretted the entire argument.
Like I was saying COSMIC, do you agree that with CIS and CIP off that glads can beat both konvikt and despero?
Originally posted by carver9
Wow... you have completely change our arguments. I am not saying that glads is faster than superman... my entire argument has NOTHING to do with Superman. Keep him out of our discussion. This is about Gladiator, hyperion, mimic, it doesn't matter. In my eyes, these people are hittable and can be tagged going by showings. Gladiator have light speed showings but going by on panel showings, he can be tagged imo.Wonder woman can be tagged as well, mimic, etc, etc...
My argument has nothing to do with Superman. You were the one that jumped in me and cosmic argument not knowing what was going on. Then you change our entire argument, basically putting words in my mouth stating that I am saying that glads is faster than Supes.
So you brought like what? Five characters and counting into this thread that had nothing to do with it and then throw a fit when I bring up one of the characters that belongs in the thread?
I never said that they couldn't be tagged. I said that with PIS off, it would be difficult for them to be tagged. How did I change my argument?
Originally posted by carver9
I used glads as an argument since he also contains Super speed. Reread our arguments and come back and reply because you misinterpretted the entire argument.Like I was saying COSMIC, do you agree that with CIS and CIP off that glads can beat both konvikt and despero?
Lol, you quoted me Carver.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t545719.html
You responded to my comment about superman's superiority to the hulk... as if he wasn't on team 2...
Also, why did you quote me and then address Cosmic lol?