Xehanort vs Kratos

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Hmm, if this was meant to annoy reciever, then in that case the other dude was right, this was an attempt at a spite thread, but even with all this restrictions I see Kratos easily taking this.

It's a cool attack, but did not really see anything that showed the world in ruins. Didn't even damage or effect the guy standing there in any way. Just shows the area around the castle being ruined. It's something I can see the Blade can easily match. Again, in God of War 2 Atlas tells Kratos that the war between the Gods and the Titans "shaped the landscape of the mortal world" As in, them shooting magic and slamming the ground shaped the mountains and oceans in the planet. And Zeus with one strike can end that magnitude of chaos. Yet Zeus himself slamming the sword into Kratos fails to disinegrate him. Infact it is unknown of Kratos stabbing himself with a charged BoO really killed him. Point is, He's very durable against powerful magics.

Why would Kratos not be able to replicate those feats? It comes from the weapon, not the user. Kratos can shoot those beams like Zeus did, he can use divine reckoning, the same tornado attack Zeus used to end the war aswell, just on a smaller scale, and it's most likely due to PIS/Gameplay balance. Where would the fun be in ending the game with one weapon?

Do not really know what you mean by that. Hypnosis? Persephone tried to sleep him, and it failed against him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soci186sLWA

As you can see in the beginning of the video, Kratos can use the wings to fly pretty fast, and using the boots boosts that flight speed. Can just fly over the mountain and spam the carp out of those electric attacks to kill him.

So long as there is significant discussion going on, it is not considered a spite thread. Or at least as far as I understand it. Since you seem to have a different opinion from me that you're prepared to defend, I suppose that means its not a spite thread.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091118061739/kingdomhearts/images/0/04/Land_of_Departure_KHBBS.png

That is the full image of what the world looked like before Xehanort used his attack. Oceans, gone. Mountains, gone. It did a vast amount of damage to the planet and would likely have destroyed the castle except it is a castle where keyblade masters live and it is likely held together by magic.

Assuming that Kratos can match Zeus' feats with the sword is something you can't prove. Since he does use the same attack but to a smaller scale it means that Kratos is simply weaker than Zeus unless fully powered by Hope.

Like how you show me a video I do not care about. Show me Persephone trying to put Kratos to sleep. Much more useful to the preceedings.

The reason his flight is not really special is because Xehanort can pummel him with thousands of keyblades in midair. Or TK him to the ground.

Who cares if it's a spite thread. Stop being bitches.

So long as there is significant discussion going on, it is not considered a spite thread. Or at least as far as I understand it. Since you seem to have a different opinion from me that you're prepared to defend, I suppose that means its not a spite thread.

I'm considering this thread spite because you yourself said the point of this thread was literally to spite receiver.

That is the full image of what the world looked like before Xehanort used his attack. Oceans, gone. Mountains, gone. It did a vast amount of damage to the planet and would likely have destroyed the castle except it is a castle where keyblade masters live and it is likely held together by magic.

Unless my eyes are tricking me, that doesn't look like a real planet. It looks like those things Mario jumps on in SMG.

Assuming that Kratos can match Zeus' feats with the sword is something you can't prove. Since he does use the same attack but to a smaller scale it means that Kratos is simply weaker than Zeus unless fully powered by Hope.

I do not have to prove anything because those attacks Zeus did came from the Blade, the same exact one Kratos now has ITT. It's not like some weapon which power depends on the one using it, it's simply power it has, and power Kratos can use. And Actually Kratos infused the blade with all of his War God powers, so now it's actually STRONGER then it was before. Smaller scale means gameplay balance bro, not inability to use it. And Kratos pwned the very same dude that accomplished those feats with the same exact blade...twice, proving that he is better with the blade than Zeus himself. Kratos doesn't need to get close, He kills Xehanort with the blade, or he electricutes him to death from far away by tossing it up the mountain, simple win.

But you know what is an assumption? That castle being protected by magic. Prove that please.

Like how you show me a video I do not care about. Show me Persephone trying to put Kratos to sleep. Much more useful to the preceedings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrW-T0jy4I

Right at 3:22. Not only does he resist it, but he chains atlas immediately afterwards. That ain't working on him.

The reason his flight is not really special is because Xehanort can pummel him with thousands of keyblades in midair. Or TK him to the ground.

If you can prove that his TK will be able to overpower Kratos flapping the wings on his arms sure. Have no idea what Keyblades do.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
I'm considering this thread spite because you yourself said the point of this thread was literally to spite receiver.

To troll receiver. There is a difference young lad.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Unless my eyes are tricking me, that doesn't look like a real planet. It looks like those things Mario jumps on in SMG.

It's identified as a world and appears to be substantially larger than the things in SMG.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
I do not have to prove anything because those attacks Zeus did came from the Blade, the same exact one Kratos now has ITT. It's not like some weapon which power depends on the one using it, it's simply power it has, and power Kratos can use. And Actually Kratos infused the blade with all of his War God powers, so now it's actually STRONGER then it was before. Smaller scale means gameplay balance bro, not inability to use it. And Kratos pwned the very same dude that accomplished those feats with the same exact blade...twice, proving that he is better with the blade than Zeus himself. Kratos doesn't need to get close, He kills Xehanort with the blade, or he electricutes him to death from far away by tossing it up the mountain, simple win.

It is a weapon that depends on the power charged into it. Zeus' God power>Kratos'. That was what he used to end the titan war with his own power. Kratos is not using a Zeus powered BoO. He is using Kratos' powered BoO, which seems to be substantially weaker. And how will the electricity lock hit Xehanort from on top of a mountain? That's some awesome gameplay auto-lock on you got there.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
But you know what is an assumption? That castle being protected by magic. Prove that please.

It wasn't destroyed like the majority of the world, ergo something is up with it.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrW-T0jy4I

Right at 3:22. Not only does he resist it, but he chains atlas immediately afterwards. That ain't working on him.

If you can prove that his TK will be able to overpower Kratos flapping the wings on his arms sure. Have no idea what Keyblades do.

Cool. Seems a bit different from the Keyblade magic. And Xehanort's magic at the moment appears to be better than Persephone's.

He can TK thousands of metal weapons. Wings should not be to big a problem. And the keyblade itself is a very haxxed item, ****ing around with time and space is pretty cool I think.

Explain the difference then.

Ah, it's called a world. Awesome proof. I guess a castle covering half of it and a mountain covering 3 percent of the area should be disregarded.

Oh does it? Prove it please. Tell me what part of the game that is stated, don't just assert it.

It's not substantialy weaker nor does the power depend on the user. It's the exact same blade and the exact same power.

Simple, he tosses it to him and it will electricute him to death. Locking on is not a gameplay mechanic, it's a silly cop out you made up.

Or it can't destroy the castle. Prove they used magic please.

Attempting to sleep him will fail unless you can prove it will work. He was also uneffected by the fog of morpheus which put the entire planet to sleep.

Wings that are attached to his insane arm strength. Arms that can easily lift those weapons.

Participate please. Why do you think the keyblades would give him the win?

I'm guessing you haven't actually played the game, have you?

If you are talking about me, no I have not. I've been asking this entire time for some feats for Xehanort and all I've been getting were people dropping one liners and I respond with something I consider relevant. If there is something he can do that will be useful by all means go ahead and show it. I'm pretty much begging for some info on the guy and I could not find respect thread for him.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Explain the difference then.

Ah, it's called a world. Awesome proof. I guess a castle covering half of it and a mountain covering 3 percent of the area should be disregarded.

Oh does it? Prove it please. Tell me what part of the game that is stated, don't just assert it.

It's not substantialy weaker nor does the power depend on the user. It's the exact same blade and the exact same power.

Simple, he tosses it to him and it will electricute him to death. Locking on is not a gameplay mechanic, it's a silly cop out you made up.

Or it can't destroy the castle. Prove they used magic please.

Attempting to sleep him will fail unless you can prove it will work. He was also uneffected by the fog of morpheus which put the entire planet to sleep.

Wings that are attached to his insane arm strength. Arms that can easily lift those weapons.

Participate please. Why do you think the keyblades would give him the win?

Trolling him would be me whipping him with my superior intellect in a thread.

Giant castle, giant mountains, giant ocean. Obviously not earth size but clearly not small.

Kratos drains his power into the blade in order to destroy all those who oppose the gods. It is a god powered sword.

If it were not substantially weaker then Zeus would have been able to kill Kratos by stabbing it into the ground and yelling loudly. He did not do this, so I take it to mean it is weaker.

So this magic lightning comes equipped with its own magic lock on ability? Locking on to something no way impedes something from getting in the way of it. Like, say, a reflect spell?

Why do you think it can't destroy the castle? 🙂

Xehanort with his magic can casually raise mountains and wreck entire worlds. A simple sleep spell would be nothing. That or magnet, or time stop, or blindness, or bind. Or just reflect all Kratos lightning back at him for a while.

And because the wings are attached to his arms it makes a bit of difference? Xehanort can TK the wings themselves and crush the feathers. He wouldn't have to deal with Kratos' strength.

The keyblade can open paths between different worlds, god knows how many light years away. Xehanort could literally just open one of these and trap him in space and then wait for him to die.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
If you are talking about me, no I have not. I've been asking this entire time for some feats for Xehanort and all I've been getting were people dropping one liners and I respond with something I consider relevant. If there is something he can do that will be useful by all means go ahead and show it. I'm pretty much begging for some info on the guy and I could not find respect thread for him.

Okay...

I'll explain to you the bit about the planet, at the least.

The picture that Aura showed is an exaggerated picture shown to you in the "level select" screen. It's not to scale. this video, from 8:30 to 14:50, shows the world as it actually is, at scale. Notice the huge mountain ranges in the distance, and such in such. It's obviously a full sized planet.

And how exactly did you plan on using the thread to do that?

Cannot tell and maybe the video blaxican posted shows it's bigger but cannot see it as I am using a phone.

First of, it's never stated that it lost any power since that war. Second, as I have said before, it's destructive power comes from it being forged from the heavens and the earth. If Zeus being a god and all had that much power why in the world do you think he needed a sword to use power he already had? Its a god killing sword that can drain powers, Kratos did not need to put his energy to use the sword. It was Zeus's way to trick Kratos into getting rid of the god powers Kratos had so he could safely kill him.

Even if your theory was Correct ( its not) Zeus drained Kratos in eagle form and then brought the statue to life with the same power, then told Kratos to drain the remaining amount in the sword. He then used the very same sword to drain the godly power from the statue into the sword. Zeus used that very same energy to wipe out the armies.

It was the same power Kratos had, it's the same power Kratos can use.

If he had the reactions to reflect it and the spell took no time, you already said he hasn't reacted to something that fast. And it would have to be a very powerful spell because the electricity hurt Kratos more than a massive thunderbolt from Zeus.

Has he been subject to any of that? Has he been shown to have resistance against that?

Doubt it. Kratos has used the wings in the mantle of the earth and they were not crushed. They were durable enough to withstand the pressure.

Yeah, no. Ares sucked him into another dimension and fought hundreds of clones, then got out by just fine. Not gonna cut it.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
And how exactly did you plan on using the thread to do that?

Cannot tell and maybe the video blaxican posted shows it's bigger but cannot see it as I am using a phone.

First of, it's never stated that it lost any power since that war. Second, as I have said before, it's destructive power comes from it being forged from the heavens and the earth. If Zeus being a god and all had that much power why in the world do you think he needed a sword to use power he already had? Its a god killing sword that can drain powers, Kratos did not need to put his energy to use the sword. It was Zeus's way to trick Kratos into getting rid of the god powers Kratos had so he could safely kill him.

Even if your theory was Correct ( its not) Zeus drained Kratos in eagle form and then brought the statue to life with the same power, then told Kratos to drain the remaining amount in the sword. He then used the very same sword to drain the godly power from the statue into the sword. Zeus used that very same energy to wipe out the armies.

It was the same power Kratos had, it's the same power Kratos can use.

If he had the reactions to reflect it and the spell took no time, you already said he hasn't reacted to something that fast. And it would have to be a very powerful spell because the electricity hurt Kratos more than a massive thunderbolt from Zeus.

Has he been subject to any of that? Has he been shown to have resistance against that?

Doubt it. Kratos has used the wings in the mantle of the earth and they were not crushed. They were durable enough to withstand the pressure.

Yeah, no. Ares sucked him into another dimension and fought hundreds of clones, then got out by just fine. Not gonna cut it.

He seems under the impression that Kratos can kill anyone. I respectfully disagree. I've been meaning to use Xehanort in a fight for a while now so now I get my chance. Now hush.

Check it out when you can.

1. Prove that when Kratos has the BoO that it is as strong as it was when Zeus used it.

2. Prove that Kratos can use the sword to that potential.

3. That second paragraph only proves the sword runs on god energy batteries.

He has reacted to a laser before from very close range. And reflect in the hands of someone tired from combat could stop something strong enough to destroy mountains dead in its tracks. Xehanort has proven himself to be better than her at magic.

I don't know. I know little about Kratos.

Proof of this? Xehanort's TK is strong enough to break mountains. He can break wings. Or just TK Kratos himself while he is flying.

Said dimension obviously had air in it. Space does not. 😐

Probable speedblitz to the KH side.

He seems under the impression that Kratos can kill anyone. I respectfully disagree. I've been meaning to use Xehanort in a fight for a while now so now I get my chance. Now hush.

Oh, and so you made an attempt at a spite thread with some silly absurd clauses made to favor xehanort just to mess with what is obviously some 13 year old kid? Bro, you are so cooool. I wish I had your self esteem 🙄

It showed the area around the castle. Can someone please show me a video with the full scaled planet destroyed?

1. Prove that when Kratos has the BoO that it is as strong as it was when Zeus used it.

No. You prove first that the power depends who uses it. It doesn't. It's just energy it has and can use.

2. Prove that Kratos can use the sword to that potential.

It has the power Kratos has as a god. He kicked Zeus's ass with it twice IE he's superior with it. He uses Divine reckoning, same thing Zeus used, He can spam those shockwaves, just like Zeus used to stop the armies from fighting. He killed Cronos with it, he killed the fire titan with it, disinegrated Gaia with it when Zeus only sent her into tartarus.

He knows how to use it.

The weapons like alot of things, are seriously nerfed in gameplay. The blades of chaos pretty much sliced anything they touch when he swings them instantly in cutscenes, yet the function like whips in gameplay

Just because he hasn't done the exact same things with it isn't proof that he couldn't. If the game told us that the power of the sword depended on who uses it, you certainly would have a case, but it never does and you don't.

He pwns this thread with it, mountain or not. End of story

It isn't proof that it needs god energy to be used that way, Just an example that even if you were right, Zeus used the same god energy Kratos had that was stored in the sword to wipe out the armies, as in it was Kratos own power that was used for that.

I don't know. I know little about Kratos.

Said dimension obviously had air in it. Space does not.

And you know that how? Because he can talk in it? Lot's of characters can do that. It was an endless void of space. He can survive in space 😉

If that spell takes no time to set up MAYBE, because he can still spam alot of them.

TK'ing mountains and Reacting to beams sounds cool, show me it, i'm expecting to see him block it with this reflect spell.. 🙂

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
It showed the area around the castle. Can someone please show me a video with the full scaled planet destroyed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

I have not played the game and I have said so several times. All I have seen is a picture with the area around the castle ruined and an under scaled map select picture that shows the area around the castle.

I am just curious on how badly he damaged it. That is all.

He had to leave right after because I presume it would have hurt him aswell. Should count as a win for the opponent if he leaves the battlefield here shouldnt it?

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Oh, and so you made an attempt at a spite thread with some silly absurd clauses made to favor xehanort just to mess with what is obviously some 13 year old kid? Bro, you are so cooool. I wish I had your self esteem 🙄

It showed the area around the castle. Can someone please show me a video with the full scaled planet destroyed?

No. You prove first that the power depends who uses it. It doesn't. It's just energy it has and can use.

It has the power Kratos has as a god. He kicked Zeus's ass with it twice IE he's superior with it. He uses Divine reckoning, same thing Zeus used, He can spam those shockwaves, just like Zeus used to stop the armies from fighting. He killed Cronos with it, he killed the fire titan with it, disinegrated Gaia with it when Zeus only sent her into tartarus.

He knows how to use it.

The weapons like alot of things, are seriously nerfed in gameplay. The blades of chaos pretty much sliced anything they touch when he swings them instantly in cutscenes, yet the function like whips in gameplay

Just because he hasn't done the exact same things with it isn't proof that he couldn't. If the game told us that the power of the sword depended on who uses it, you certainly would have a case, but it never does and you don't.

He pwns this thread with it, mountain or not. End of story

It isn't proof that it needs god energy to be used that way, Just an example that even if you were right, Zeus used the same god energy Kratos had that was stored in the sword to wipe out the armies, as in it was Kratos own power that was used for that.

I was asking about xenahort, dude 🙂 Kratos has proven himself against that kind of stuff.

And you know that how? Because he can talk in it? Lot's of characters can do that. It was an endless void of space. He can survive in space 😉

If that spell takes no time to set up MAYBE, because he can still spam alot of them.

TK'ing mountains and Reacting to beams sounds cool, show me it, i'm expecting to see him block it with this reflect spell.. 🙂

I actually have quite a shitty self esteem so I would suggest wishing for another persons self esteem instead of the suicidal guy.

Since you are asserting that it is as powerful as it was then I do not have to prove a thing. My proof is the lack of evidence to say that it is.

All those feats are nothing compared to Zeus ending the war in one shot. Since he has never shown the ability to do that stuff, cutscene or otherwise, I assume he cannot do it and there is not sufficient reason to believe he can at all at the moment.

And the comment you were replying to was about Kratos, meaning you changed the topic for no explained reason. And really know? Hypnosis I give you but Magnet or TK I've seen nothing to support that. Actually, it would be very funny to see Xehanort use the Mini spell on Kratos now that I think about it.

Kratos has shown the need for air, ergo that dimension obviously had air. And space is more than just a place where there is no air. It's also a place where the temperature is quite cold. Kratos will just freeze to death before he can do anything about it. He'd likely die from lack of oxygen first though.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
I have not played the game and I have said so several times. All I have seen is a picture with the area around the castle ruined and an under scaled map select picture that shows the area around the castle.

I am just curious on how badly he damaged it. That is all.

He had to leave right after because I presume it would have hurt him aswell. Should count as a win for the opponent if he leaves the battlefield here shouldnt it?

There is just enough land left for the castle to sit on. Not much more. Considering how much of the planet there was before, I'd say he did quite a bit of damage.

Interesting idea but debunked by the fact that he wanted that dude to chase him to a certain place and the fact that unlike Kratos this guy actually can survive in space. Likely due to magic though.

What's stopping Xehanort from blitzing?

The fact that if Xehanort tried to actually engage Kratos in a straight up sword fight he'd lose. Badly.

Due to? Xehanort is hypersonic+ , he`d run circles around kratos.

Running circles around Kratos is one thing. Actually hurting him is quite another.