Xehanort vs Kratos

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Except he does, in cutscenes. I feel no need to elaborate at this moment, quite tired. And not everyone is as well versed in Kratos' various feats throughout all the games, comics, and novel as a handful of people here are (including myself). Maybe Demonic Phoenix will come by later. It's all pretty common stuff that's been posted here before many times basically so I feel no urgency in going over it again.

Considering Kratos' cutscene durability feats are multiple orders of magnitudes above what it takes to cut modestly large buildings, absolutely.

Except he's never been hurt by anything other than immortal characters in cutscenes. Fodder have never, ever, bothered him.

And he's also tanked slashes from Zeus wielding the Blade of Olympus. Kratos has strength in the range of millions and millions of tons, and Zeus is equal to him in that regard. No one in Kingdom Hearts is on this level of course. He was stabbed while weakened, and later had to stab himself after charging the sword up. Piercing/Stabbing of course imparts far more P.S.I. than slashing, so its of no surprise that with effort he can be stabbed with the B.o.O with his own strength class behind it.

Kratos has never shown any speed feat in a cutscene that i recall.

What feats? He has been stabbed numerous times. And has never tanked a slash as i recall.

What? Fodder have never bothered him? Of course they have. Any flimsy skeleton with a sword could hurt kratos, in gameplay and cutscene.

Kratos is far too slow to hit Xehanort with his strenght.

I dunno why people use the skyscraper scene (which isn't canon anyway) as a strength feat. It' s more a feat of sharpness, than strength. If Sora was using his strength he would shattered the buildings, not cleanly cut through them. That's sharpness at work.

He threw them like tennis balls later.

But they would count as a slashing scene actually, not a strenght one.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If this is true then it would be acceptable. If.

So, after further investigation, I can safely say that I was wrong and that a soul and heart are not the same thing. But, apparently removing someone's soul in Kingdom Hearts is the same as removing the appendix in real life. It seems not to matter lol.

Originally posted by Enfathiel
Kratos has never shown any speed feat in a cutscene that i recall.

Of course you don't recall. I already gave you a pass for not knowing.

What feats? He has been stabbed numerous times. And has never tanked a slash as i recall.

-I don't feel like saying right now, as I already said. I'll remain coy. 🙂

-He's only been impaled by Zeus and Ares, and when he stabbed himself. Even when being impaled, those were durability feats, which I don't feel like elaborating on right now.

-As you recall, of course, as I said, I already give you a pass for not knowing.

What? Fodder have never bothered him? Of course they have. Any flimsy skeleton with a sword could hurt kratos, in gameplay and cutscene.

Yes. He's never been bothered or hurt by anything other than Gods and Immortals in cutscenes (after he gets his power of course). Once more, I give you a pass for not knowing more about Kratos.

Kratos is far too slow to hit Xehanort with his strenght.

On the contrary, Xehanort is nowhere near as fast as the things that Kratos has reacted to throughout cutscenes.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I dunno why people use the skyscraper scene (which isn't canon anyway) as a strength feat. It' s more a feat of sharpness, than strength. If Sora was using his strength he would shattered the buildings, not cleanly cut through them. That's sharpness at work.

He does smack a building hard enough to send it flying into pure metal and force it apart.

I can alrady guess some of the things you are going to say:

- Kratos has tanked slashes(as in them not hurting him) from someone as strong as him

- Kratos is a lightning timer

- Kratos is billions of tons because he stood up to Atlas's fingers

Only the last one might be true.

Kratos has no durability feat against blades, neither has he ever dodged lightning in cutscene.

Originally posted by Enfathiel
I can alrady guess some of the things you are going to say:

You can already guess? That's good. It means I don't have to waste as much time recounting those feats again. Which are only a few of the things he's done, in cutscene form.

Kratos has no durability feat against blades, neither has he ever dodged lightning in cutscene.

Except he has done all of that, in cutscenes.

Please don't confuse my casual dismissal of you currently as lack of evidence of these things. I'm simply too tired recount things that have been disseminated across this section for a year or so now.

Ok i'll wait then.

Replace the tallest knight with Kratos.YouTube video

Actually don't even bother responding me Krato's feats.

Trust me i've heard them all before. They're all feats extrapolated and taken out of context(imo) Let's just agree to disagree ok?

Originally posted by Enfathiel
Actually don't even bother responding me Krato's feats.

Trust me i've heard them all before.

No. You haven't.

With the tone of your posts its quite obvious that you aren't all too familiar with Kratos across 2 PSP games, 3 console games, 6 comic books, and one novel (with another one the way). A lot of that stuff hasn't even been talked about here.

They're all feats extrapolated and taken out of context(imo)

'Extrapolated'. A fairly hollow word that has no application in this case I'm afraid. Everything is in simple terms of Y attribute being derived from X occurence and such.

'taken out of context'. No. That would be implying that some sort of extenuating circumstance or some such was present for the things I'm talking about. There isn't. They all happened 'as is'.

Let's just agree to disagree ok?

This thread has suddenly lost interest.

I actually have quite a shitty self esteem so I would suggest wishing for another persons self esteem instead of the suicidal guy.

I was joking. 😬 Don't know why you felt the need to reveal you are suicidal in a public forum. You should see a shrink instead of arguing for fictional characters in that case.

Not asserting, just that there is no reason to think it is any weaker. Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Same weapon, same power.

Has Xehanort ever directly affected living beings with his TK?

Why do you think he is incapable of using the sword when it has his own god powers stored in? 🙂

Off the top of my head, he's been electricuted, frozen solid, turned into solid stone, has been able to enter places where time itself was stopped with no effect on him, turns his body into flames when he's pissed, has stopped his soul from being stolen by the god of the underworld himself, a guy that can steal souls from giants.

As far as I recall nobody has ever used TK on Kratos but it would have to be absurd TK from someone like starkiller to really end it. Don't know about magnet. Can he cast that from a distance? It's gonna effect the weapons around his arms, still has to be pretty powerful 🙂

He has? Is that why he can stay underwater for as long as he wants? Is that why he can survive just fine inside the belly of cronos?Those places are known for thier lack of oxygen. Kratos can walk around almost naked in cold environments and swim in ice cold waters just fine.

Can you show me how badly he damaged it?

So you think Xehanort can survive the planet falling apart? He can just stand there with no problems? If he is that tough I would concede that he could win.

Due to what? Kratos was easily stabbed by Zeus, and is easily hurt by fodder like demon dogs, greeks, skeletons, etc....

Except for Zeus the the weapon, he's never been hurt by any of this in the story silly. LOL

Infact the skeletons in the series have enough strength to jam an elevator, and they actually bleed if you just stand there and block. They hurt themselves just by attacking him. He's insanly tough, which is why characters have to get all their ranged magic ever and start with a mountain of a distance just to stand a chance.

Just think for a bit. Why do you think being turned into stone is considered a DOWNGRADE to him?

And he doesn't have to tank a slash btw (even though he has). Not getting turned into fine red mist by cronos is enough.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. You haven't.

With the tone of your posts its quite obvious that you aren't all too familiar with Kratos across 2 PSP games, 3 console games, 6 comic books, and one novel (with another one the way). A lot of that stuff hasn't even been talked about here.

'Extrapolated'. A fairly hollow word that has no application in this case I'm afraid. Everything is in simple terms of Y attribute being derived from X occurence and such.

'taken out of context'. No. That would be implying that some sort of extenuating circumstance or some such was present for the things I'm talking about. There isn't. They all happened 'as is'.

If you wish to bow out with me, that's fine, as it would take me a while to dump a respect thread of everything he's done on you anyway. But that doesn't stop anyone else from saying their piece.

Just by the fact that i came from another forum where Kratos was already tried to be wanked, and was shot down.....

Yes i've heard all the bullshit.

Honestly you are the only forum that i know of wanks Kratos to such proportions. I was even warned of this.

Which is completely FINE as i told you, Every forum has to decide for it's self and have their own separate shit.

But sorry if 'im not going to waste my time listening to the same crap I've listened thousands of times before.

Oh well best of luck to you guys.

'shot down' eh?

I'd like to see such examples. What forum was this?

Petty dismissals that arise from lack of palatability for the character by the general populace of a forum, and thus extreme reluctance to acknowledge said character's on-screen feats, will not do.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The fact that they're at a good distance makes his skill of whipping things out and using them quickly rather useless.

Uh....

YouTube video

Xehanort is where he is at the end of the video, not floating. Kratos is where Aqua is I guess. Was gonna say Mickey but that is a bit more of a distance.

Now that actually sounds like something Kratos would do. But would the keyblade let him use it? 😛

K, so can Xehanort steal Kratos' 'heart' or not now? If he can, he wins. I doubt he can do anything to Kratos' soul though.

He'll make it/them let him use it awesome

~ Also, by Jove, I can't believe this thread got serious facepalm

Originally posted by Enfathiel
[B]Honestly you are the only forum that i know of wanks Kratos to such proportions. I was even warned of this.

''Also, by Jove, I can't believe this thread got serious''

Originally posted by Enfathiel
Actually don't even bother responding me Krato's feats.

Trust me i've heard them all before. They're all feats extrapolated and taken out of context(imo) Let's just agree to disagree ok?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Kratos has shown the need for air, ergo that dimension obviously had air. And space is more than just a place where there is no air. It's also a place where the temperature is quite cold. Kratos will just freeze to death before he can do anything about it. He'd likely die from lack of oxygen first though.

I'd use Kratos staying underwater indefinitely, but that's tied to artifacts Kratos uses.
Kratos has been inside a Titan, and has been inside a volcano while it was erupting. I highly doubt there's enough oxygen in those areas.
As for the freezing, he gets frozen completely in Ghost of Sparta (pretty much instantly, which is pretty uber for the enemy that freezes him all things considered), but he can 'shake it off'.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And not everyone is as well versed in Kratos' various feats throughout all the games, comics, and novel as a handful of people here are, such as myself, so I don't blame you for not knowing. Maybe Demonic Phoenix will come by later.

Meh, I have no intention of humouring him/her in this thread. There are quite few posts of his/hers that I would address, but screw it.

~ I propose a derailment of this thread.