Originally posted by BloodRain
This thread has suddenly lost interest.
I sorry. Is it cause of me? 🙁
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
I was joking. 😬 Don't know why you felt the need to reveal you are suicidal in a public forum. You should see a shrink instead of arguing for fictional characters in that case.Not asserting, just that there is no reason to think it is any weaker. Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Same weapon, same power.
Has Xehanort ever directly affected living beings with his TK?
Why do you think he is incapable of using the sword when it has his own god powers stored in? 🙂
Off the top of my head, he's been electricuted, frozen solid, turned into solid stone, has been able to enter places where time itself was stopped with no effect on him, turns his body into flames when he's pissed, has stopped his soul from being stolen by the god of the underworld himself, a guy that can steal souls from giants.
As far as I recall nobody has ever used TK on Kratos but it would have to be absurd TK from someone like starkiller to really end it. Don't know about magnet. Can he cast that from a distance? It's gonna effect the weapons around his arms, still has to be pretty powerful 🙂
He has? Is that why he can stay underwater for as long as he wants? Is that why he can survive just fine inside the belly of cronos?Those places are known for thier lack of oxygen. Kratos can walk around almost naked in cold environments and swim in ice cold waters just fine.
Can you show me how badly he damaged it?
So you think Xehanort can survive the planet falling apart? He can just stand there with no problems? If he is that tough I would concede that he could win.
He's insanly tough, which is why characters have to get all their ranged magic ever and start with a mountain of a distance just to stand a chance.
Stupid jokes annoy me and deserve to be shot down in the most humorous ways possible. Now, hush.
Good idea actually. In BBS, Keyblades have shown the ability to become FTL vehicles to travel from one world to the other. It seems all Keyblade wielders can do this. Sora, who is not trained like the characters from BBS, should be able to as well from your logic. It's the same weapon, the same power. Why hasn't he never done this? Because he does not know how. And there is not sufficient enough reason to believe he can until he is taught, unless Ven's heart does something unconscious. Kratos has not demonstrated the power to the extent that Zeus has and there is no sufficient reason to believe he can.
No, I don't think. But there is no reason to assume he can't. If he can TK sufficient weight, he should be able to TK people.
He can use the sword, just not to the same extent Zeus has shown.
Starkiller could kill Kratos with a blink, overpowered ****. TKing Kratos will not be hard if no one has ever done it before. And magnet affects Kratos not his weapons. It's a sphere that keeps Kratos spinning in circles.
It doesn't matter actually. You argued that the area Ares sucked him into had no air, but obviously does. We can HEAR Kratos breathing when he gets sucked into it, indicating that it must have air. So surviving in space indefinitely is not happening anyway. And google how cold space is.
I've already showed you a before an after picture of it. Put them to scale using Blax's video. Mountains and ocean, gone. Only a small section of land under a likely magically protected castle was left.
Xehanort merely needs to be sucked into it as well. He can survive wherever it sends him, which since he has used a similar attack before that leads to space, he likely can do that again here. He can survive in space and watch Kratos die.
Boo hoo?
Honestly, I've seen what Kratos can do and what he's made of. 80% of it anyhow.
Don't see how this fight's not ending up with Vanitas (Spawn-looking clone of Ventus' dark side. Xehanort uses this as part of his arsenal, you could say) keeping Kratos busy while Xehanort laughs his ass off dropping mountains and cliffs on his ass. Seriously.
Even still, Xehanort's magic, spidey-sense (can tell where you are even if you sneaked up on him, as per the videos posted on the other page) and teleportation...telekinesis, storms and whatnot will prove to be a lot. Kratos is also getting wtfpwned with a whirlwind of keyblades so lmao.
I'm not paying enough attention to him to dismiss him. I don't know much about Kratos. I just know the kinda things people say about him. Regardless, there is no way Xehanort could psychically do much to Kratos. Unless the LLLC logic of sword can't pierce skin unless their power level is high enough is dismissed, which I'm content to leave be so long as it keeps people outta my hair. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelThat's not our logic, it's PHYSICS!
I'm not paying enough attention to him to dismiss him. I don't know much about Kratos. I just know the kinda things people say about him. Regardless, there is no way Xehanort could psychically do much to Kratos. Unless the LLLC logic of sword can't pierce skin unless their power level is high enough is dismissed, which I'm content to leave be so long as it keeps people outta my hair. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel131
I see arguments from both sides and I don't desire to input my own opinion. Now shoo fly, don't bother me. 313
Kratos gets pwned by swords and arrows in canon CG FMV's. There's just so many ways for Xehanort to win this while keeping Kratos thousands of yards away & below.
The only sword pwning him in canon is >>> any Keyblade and the only arrow ever shot at him, he dodged casually.
Post-GoW1 Kratos can survive being blown out of an erupting volcanic explosion and crashing into a city block only to get up without a scratch. There's nothing Xehanort has physically that could keep Kratos down.
Good idea actually. In BBS, Keyblades have shown the ability to become FTL vehicles to travel from one world to the other. It seems all Keyblade wielders can do this. Sora, who is not trained like the characters from BBS, should be able to as well from your logic.
The thing is, there aren't many BoO. There is only one and there is no training needed to use it's power. It's just power it has. The scene after Zeus kills Kratos with it and then sends a blast that vaporizes the fighting armies came from Kratos charging the blade up with his godly energy. There is no training needed, it's his own power. You honestly think he would have spent an entire game trying to get the blade back if he couldn't use it? That's silly.
If you want go ahead and give sora a space traveling vehicle. Don't see why that would help in any fight though. I'm thinking you already gave Xehanort a bunch of spells he's probably never displayed.
Kratos has not demonstrated the power to the extent that Zeus has and there is no sufficient reason to believe he can.
Except he has done some insane things with the very sword. Just because he doesn't go around nuking the planet with it doesn't mean there is some magical barrier or lack of training on his behalf. The sword doesn't work that way!
No, I don't think. But there is no reason to assume he can't. If he can TK sufficient weight, he should be able to TK people.
Has he or hasn't he? The reason I am asking is because under your standards, not doing something means he obviously can't! It's not an issue of weight here, it's an issue of being able to control living beings. In the cutscene you posted he lifted some hills with what was most likely some earth based magic spell within the game and threw the keyblades but he had to use ice magic to do anything to them from that distance and whenever someone got near enough to fight him he obviously needed to use physical force to deal with them. And don't say it's PIS or CIS because that cutscene was obviously meant to display Xehanort WTFPwning the group. And then earlier ITT you also said that he started that attack that was destroying the world because he wanted the guy to follow him, as in he couldn't use his TK to simply force him to follow him where ever he needed him to. I take it that he can't control others with telekenisis then.
TKing Kratos will not be hard if no one has ever done it before. And magnet affects Kratos not his weapons. It's a sphere that keeps Kratos spinning in circles.
So it's a kind of sphere that sucks him in and damages him? Yeah, similar attacks have been used against him. There was a boss fight in the second game that did that and another in ghost of sparta that used this. Didn't do much to slow him down. He gained that attack as well though he doesn't have it here.
Xehanort hasn't ever used this spell has he? 🙄
It doesn't matter actually. You argued that the area Ares sucked him into had no air, but obviously does. We can HEAR Kratos breathing when he gets sucked into it, indicating that it must have air. So surviving in space indefinitely is not happening anyway. And google how cold space is.
There are tons of fictional characters that can breath, talk and hear in space. The ice cold vacuum part is ignored in a lot of games and comics. Biggest problems with space are lack of oxygen and the temperature. He seems to be fine without the former and has dealt with his entire body being turned into ice by a weapons from the god of ice for the latter. He can also turn into flames so that may help. Right now it seems that it is more likely that he can survive in it rather than him not being able to.
Question, the guys that got frozen in the video, have they ever been into space themselves?
I've already showed you a before an after picture of it. Put them to scale using Blax's video. Mountains and ocean, gone. Only a small section of land under a likely magically protected castle was left.
Eh, the map select picture you showed me was an underscaled version of the same area showed in the video he posted. So confused wether he destroyed the entire planet or just the land around the castle.
Xehanort merely needs to be sucked into it as well. He can survive wherever it sends him, which since he has used a similar attack before that leads to space, he likely can do that again here. He can survive in space and watch Kratos die.
Are you talking about the same attack he used to destroy the world here?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well.....any keyblade is questionable. Very nearly all keyblades do not equal the BoO in terms of power. The χ-blade on the other hand is apparently omgwtfuniversalscrewing power. It maybe is stronger than the BoO. But until feats are seen for it, not very impressive.
That was sort of a typo actually. I meant to add in 'nearly' any keyblade, as I've not played the portable KH games much (having not even bought 358/2 Days), and am not entirely up to date on all of the series' keyblades and if there are any in particular that are on a plot-worthy mention.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
That was sort of a typo actually. I meant to add in 'nearly' any keyblade, as I've not played the portable KH games much (having not even bought 358/2 Days), and am not entirely up to date on all of the series' keyblades and if there are any in particular that are on a plot-worthy mention.
I figured as much. Is okay. The BoO does have better feats than any keyblade seen so far...I think anyway.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
The thing is, there aren't many BoO. There is only one and there is no training needed to use it's power. It's just power it has. The scene after Zeus kills Kratos with it and then sends a blast that vaporizes the fighting armies came from Kratos charging the blade up with his godly energy. There is no training needed, it's his own power. You honestly think he would have spent an entire game trying to get the blade back if he couldn't use it? That's silly.If you want go ahead and give sora a space traveling vehicle. Don't see why that would help in any fight though. I'm thinking you already gave Xehanort a bunch of spells he's probably never displayed.
Except he has done some insane things with the very sword. Just because he doesn't go around nuking the planet with it doesn't mean there is some magical barrier or lack of training on his behalf. The sword doesn't work that way!
Has he or hasn't he? The reason I am asking is because under your standards, not doing something means he obviously can't! It's not an issue of weight here, it's an issue of being able to control living beings. In the cutscene you posted he lifted some hills with what was most likely some earth based magic spell within the game and threw the keyblades but he had to use ice magic to do anything to them from that distance and whenever someone got near enough to fight him he obviously needed to use physical force to deal with them. And don't say it's PIS or CIS because that cutscene was obviously meant to display Xehanort WTFPwning the group. And then earlier ITT you also said that he started that attack that was destroying the world because he wanted the guy to follow him, as in he couldn't use his TK to simply force him to follow him where ever he needed him to. I take it that he can't control others with telekenisis then.
So it's a kind of sphere that sucks him in and damages him? Yeah, similar attacks have been used against him. There was a boss fight in the second game that did that and another in ghost of sparta that used this. Didn't do much to slow him down. He gained that attack as well though he doesn't have it here.
Xehanort hasn't ever used this spell has he? 🙄
There are tons of fictional characters that can breath, talk and hear in space. The ice cold vacuum part is ignored in a lot of games and comics. Biggest problems with space are lack of oxygen and the temperature. He seems to be fine without the former and has dealt with his entire body being turned into ice by a weapons from the god of ice for the latter. He can also turn into flames so that may help. Right now it seems that it is more likely that he can survive in it rather than him not being able to.
Question, the guys that got frozen in the video, have they ever been into space themselves?
Eh, the map select picture you showed me was an underscaled version of the same area showed in the video he posted. So confused wether he destroyed the entire planet or just the land around the castle.
Are you talking about the same attack he used to destroy the world here?
I will not give Sora a power he has never displayed or even hinted at knowing it unless there is sufficient reason to believe he can, which there is not. And honestly, a FTL vehicle could help quite a bit.
There is a difference between Xehanort being able to do simple spells when his magic abilities already far out rank the main characters and Sora doing something he'd reasonably not be able to do. Xehanort received similar training as the main character and has shown himself to be quite magically powerful and has used some of the same spells that the main characters use.
If he has not demonstrated that kind of power with the sword then there is no reason to assume he can. Kratos is not as old as Zeus. He did not create the sword and likely does not know the full extent of its power. He can do things similar but not the same things unless someone gives me reason to believe he can.
TK is moving items with your mind. Xehanort is magically moving hundreds/thousands of metal weapons at speeds quick enough to cut mountains in half. Transferring that to using it on people is simple enough. And why can't I apply CIS to him? Trailer would not look as cool had he just TK'd them in place. If I had a nickel for every character that has TK but chooses not to use it, I'd be a very rich man. As to why he did not TK that guy when he wrecked the planet, he needed him to come on his own and allow for teh darkness fester in him. Hard to do that if you just TK them along like a puppy.
Actually it does not hurt him. But it has, in it's weakest state, moved a large statue while under tons of water pressure. It's got the power.
Is there a legitimate reason to believe he can't? No? Did not think so.
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Now what's the problem with turning into fire in the dead of space? Anyway care to take a guess?
And to answer the question, yes but in their magic armor. Everyone else was in a magically protected cloud thing. Pete is the only exception, likely because his seemed like a prison in space, rather than the dead of space itself. Minnie does not seem to be the type to kill Pete in such a way.
Put it into perspective. That planet used to be sphere shaped before with a huge ocean and large mountains. Later, it was not sphere shaped and said mountains and oceans were gone.
Similar though not exactly the same. Xehanort can simply use the simple one to drop him off in space if need be. And he can likely survive in wherever the dark sphere thing would send him....Which may actually be space now that I'm thinking about. mmm
I will not give Sora a power he has never displayed or even hinted at knowing it unless there is sufficient reason to believe he can, which there is not. And honestly, a FTL vehicle could help quite a bit.
Whatever, your call. And at what, racing across space? sure it would I guess.
There is a difference between Xehanort being able to do simple spells when his magic abilities already far out rank the main characters and Sora doing something he'd reasonably not be able to do. Xehanort received similar training as the main character and has shown himself to be quite magically powerful and has used some of the same spells that the main characters use.
Well you already made it canon for the thread that he has them, just pointing out that under your logic he would not know any of the spells you gave him until he has demonstrated the ability to use them. Yes, similar training, Kratos has the exact same sword and has proven himself better with the sword than Zeus himself. Why is it okay for you to jump to conclusions in one example but strongly reject the other?
If he has not demonstrated that kind of power with the sword then there is no reason to assume he can. Kratos is not as old as Zeus. He did not create the sword and likely does not know the full extent of its power. He can do things similar but not the same things unless someone gives me reason to believe he can.
He didn't create it, sure. And what would age have to do with anything? BoO only lets people use it if they are old enough? Never heard of that one. He knows the extent of it's power, He saw what Zeus did himself.
The Blades power does not depend on who is using it, nor did Zeus place some magical barrier to prevent anyone from using all of it's power, there is no training required to use it. It has the power to summon divine energy from the heavens and use it to smite mofo's. Kratos doesn't really need any feats with the sword, as there is absolutly no reason to think it would be any different with him using it. The only thing that needs feats is the blade itself. Why Kratos did not use nuke mode is simple enough, his entire goal was to kill Zeus and anyone who tried to stop him, and he wanted to do it up close and personal, that and it would be pretty hard to find a way to balance that kind of power in the game don't you think?
At the bare minimum, Kratos has shown the ability to kill walking mountains with it. I seriously doubt Xehanort has the durability of a titan, so he's going down regardless.
TK is moving items with your mind. Xehanort is magically moving hundreds/thousands of metal weapons at speeds quick enough to cut mountains in half. Transferring that to using it on people is simple enough. And why can't I apply CIS to him? Trailer would not look as cool had he just TK'd them in place. If I had a nickel for every character that has TK but chooses not to use it, I'd be a very rich man. As to why he did not TK that guy when he wrecked the planet, he needed him to come on his own and allow for teh darkness fester in him. Hard to do that if you just TK them along like a puppy.
Xehanort has not displayed the ability to use telekinesis on people, therfore there is no reason to assume he can until he actually does it since he obviously can't.
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Perhaps being able to control Keyblades is simply an extension of his mastery of the keyblades or he was using some sort of windspell to move them around so no reason to think that it is actual TK that can be applied on people. It's not simple as it's illogical magic that can't be gauged like physical force and he couldn't use it on the people he was fighting.
CIS is more likely to explain why Kratos doesn't nuke the planet with the BoO.
I'll give you a penny if you can prove he can TK actual people. 😛
Since he can't be proven to effect people with TK, then Kratos simply flies up within his vicinity and bam, another easy KO.
Is there a legitimate reason to believe he can't? No? Did not think so.
Has he ever used it? No? Didn't think so.
heh figured this without even playing the game. 😆
Now what's the problem with turning into fire in the dead of space? Anyway care to take a guess?
LOL good point. But still, should keep his body warm somehow. 😉
Originally posted by Heaven_or_Hell
I love how crashing into a city block is supposedly equal or greater to having cliffs and mountain-sized tectonic plates shoved in your face.
Yeah, because his showings totally don't suffice to being able to stop a mountain-sized force from crushing him. And for the record, it's the blast he takes from the volcano you want to pay attention to.