Originally posted by chomperx9
im surprised this is still open. Technically captain america shouldnt count as a movie character since the movie has not been released yet. what if they cancel it tomorrow ?
Apparantly, he made a cameo in a recent Marvel movie, making him legit...we just don't have any tangible feats beyond the trailor.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, DP coudl not kill wolverine unless we see evidence of Wolvies HF getting overtaxed in the films. It was adamantium skeleton with his HF that saved him from turning into dust.We couldn't have Wolvies clost turning to dust because that would make him naked. Your guys are giving DP too much credit: she could not kill Logan.
Look at the fight dude, she was killing me and kicking his ass...he had to stick an adamantium gun into her to win. I'm a huge wolverine fan, but I'll admit when he's getting his ass whooped and getting killed and he certainly was getting that against DS.
Originally posted by Kazenji
And what movie would that be?
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/captain-america-officially-found-in-the-incredible-hulk/
Pewpy bawlz
Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm not really seeing anything from those pictures 😬
It's common knowledge, bro. Why don't you use google to find a source other than the very first source I found?
Also, this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, DP cannot do that to Wolverine, in the movies.
Actually, she could easily. More on that later.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Even a bullet through his brain did not work: regen fixed that. He lost the memories associated with all of those damaged neurons, though...but they were retrievable, slightly, later in the future.As stated in the films, the only way to get through the adamantium is with adamantium.
I don't think it was ever stated that "only way to get through the adamantium is with adamantium." But no one is arguing that anyway.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Captain America does not have access to liquid adamantium, either. That's not part of the OP. Additionally, that very well may have been the absolute last bit of liquid adamantium on the entire planet (the Captain's shield came before Wolverine.)You could try immersing him in liquid metal...that may burn off enough of his flash.
But how is Captain going to do that to a person that is stronger and faster (they'll probably make Caps stronger/faster in the movie instead of sticking to peak human, though, so I may have to change that.)
So how do you propose the Captain kill Wolverine? There's no way the Captain can kill James...Wolverine cannot be killed.
What? I'm not even talking about cap, you said:
Originally posted by dadudemon
From what we've seen, Wolverine cannot be killed by anything short of a catastrophic event that vastly eclipses Dark Phoenix' rape.
I said that was wrong. For two reasons:
1. DP can kill Wolverine.
2. Wolverine CAN "be killed by [something] short of a catastrophic event that vastly eclipses Dark Phoenix' rape", and I mentioned what happened to Lady Deathstrike as an example to do this.
At no point am I discussing Cap, just referencing your claims about Wolverine.
Now, onto DP vs Wolverine, I've explained this more times than I care to, so I'm just gonna quote myself:
Summary: DP did not unleash full powers on Wolvie in X3, and she could kill him easily if she wanted to.
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Originally posted by Placidity
...And if you're going by the movie Wolverine, I would think Predator would win, since Logan got knocked out after being shot in the head in X2.
In X3, so-called Dark Phoenix wasnt even her full powers against him. The Phoenix obliterated everyone at the molecular level in less than a second. Theres just no way Logan could have regenerated from that if she unleashed her full powers on him.Also in X3, Logan got stabbed (by the guy that produces these wood things...) and he was down for the count for awhile (i.e 10-15 secs).
(Similar examples in X2, vs Lady Deathstrike)
Now imagine, how long he would be down after having a large chunk of flesh flayed from his body after being hit by a plasma cannon.
I believe that the Movie Wolverine is much less powerful than the Comics Wolverine... so lets not bring that into disscusion.
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Originally posted by Placidity
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Do you really think Logan could've gotten close to the Phoenix if she didnt let him? (or Logan>Phoenix)You may have forgotten that she has telekinesis, which is what allows her to "demolecularize" objects. So even if she was struggling to demolecularize him as you claim, she could have pushed him away/ slammed him into the ground/ make him immobile etc (as shown earlier in the film).
They also have a love/hate relationship going on, hence why she didnt kill him. (or some claim that Jean was fighting/holding back the phoenix)
Observing what the Phoenix did to other victims should show that she was only using a fraction of her powers against Logan. Basically, she was only striping a few layers off his chest and face. Whereas, when using her full capacity, the victim is demolecularized from head to toe almost instantly (not just the chest etc).
Also, the Phoenix asks Logan: "You would die for them?", implying she is capable of killing him. And she probably well may have if Jean didnt surface after that.
In addition, Judging by previous feats of Logan's healing factor in the films, it is also obvious he cannot regenerate at any rate as close to how quickly Phoenix can demolecularize objects(i.e almost instantly).
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Originally posted by bobbi
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I for one thought his evidence was fairly good (don't exactly remember how long the bone guy took out wolverine for (15sec seems long but i dont remember) but thats just 1 thing). Pretty much every damage we've seen of movie wolv takes a second or 2 at least to heal and we've seen phoenix disintegrate ppl in less than that. Unless jean's disintegration powers are weaker than a bullet, sabertooths claws, and many others than she should have been able to stop him.And jean can LEVITATE PPL with EASE. If she really wanted wolv dead she could have done that and choked him or even continue disintegrating him. Magneto was even able to do whatever he wanted to wolv and jean is way stronger than magneto. She decided to levitate the professor and random guys in that last scene so why not wolvs?
Originally posted by Placidity
Actually, she could easily. More on that later.I don't think it was ever stated that "only way to get through the adamantium is with adamantium." But no one is arguing that anyway.
What? I'm not even talking about cap, you said:
I said that was wrong. For two reasons:
1. DP can kill Wolverine.
2. Wolverine CAN "be killed by [something] short of a catastrophic event that vastly eclipses Dark Phoenix' rape", and I mentioned what happened to Lady Deathstrike as an example to do this.
At no point am I discussing Cap, just referencing your claims about Wolverine.
Now, onto DP vs Wolverine, I've explained this more times than I care to, so I'm just gonna quote myself:
Summary: DP did not unleash full powers on Wolvie in X3, and she could kill him easily if she wanted to.
I covered this a long time ago a different thread.
You really wasted your time typing that up because I'm not reading it, not out of spite, but because I think the discussion is a giant waste of time.
IF DP could have killed him and was holding back, explain the very direct relationship between the "plasma" cloudy stuff and the destruction of it touching something? Then explain why Logan did not disintegrate despite bathing in that plasma junk? Any explanation other than PIS or Logan powered through it, is baseless.
Claiming she was holding back does not fit, in the slightest, the visual given to us on the screen. There is also no "official" release or story on it explaining that she was holding back: by all visual counts, she was not holding back.
Reading into it by giving attributes that do not exist, is baseless. Stick with what was on screen: Logan withstood the plasma, full-blast, from DP.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's common knowledge, bro. Why don't you use google to find a source other than the very first source I found?Also, this:
But if thats all we have for a picture of Capt which to me looks like a smudge can't really see a thing
its like these people getting all reeved up over images of jesus in a piece of toast.
Originally posted by Kazenji
But if thats all we have for a picture of Capt which to me looks like a smudge can't really see a thingits like these people getting all reeved up over images of jesus in a piece of toast.
I agree. It all started with the director blowing things out of proportion by saying that Hulk meets the Captain...then deletes it from the movie because it the scene was supposedly too dark for pg-13, and then gives us crap for a cameo.
Originally posted by Placidity
That is false.
You continue baselessly believing one way and I'll believe the most direct reading.
Unless of course you can provide some sort of official backing...like...say, the script writer's or director's commentary that directly contradicts what was seen on screen. I'll believe you, then.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You continue baselessly believing one way and I'll believe the most direct reading.Unless of course you can provide some sort of official backing...like...say, the script writer's or director's commentary that directly contradicts what was seen on screen. I'll believe you, then.
Baseless?
You've said you refused to read my argument. You have no right to say it is baseless.
Originally posted by Placidity
Baseless?You've said you refused to read my argument. You have no right to say it is baseless.
I am convincible and I've outlined how.
And reading your argument is completely unnecessary as it goes directly against what was seen onscreen and constitutes a gigantic waste of time. It's fun to speculate though, and that's really the fun of films. However, baselessness or weak conclusions are not tolerated unless you qualify it as such.
Here, watch this: the commentary on the DVD does not support your claim. Nothing was said of her holding back.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I am convincible and I've outlined how.And reading your argument is completely unnecessary as it goes directly against what was seen onscreen and constitutes a gigantic waste of time. It's fun to speculate though, and that's really the fun of films. However, baselessness or weak conclusions are not tolerated unless you qualify it as such.
Here, watch this: the commentary on the DVD does not support your claim. Nothing was said of her holding back.
How can you say its baseless or weak if you haven't even read it. That's ridiculous to be honest.
Commentary or other evidence is not necessary. Nowhere is it stated she used her full powers on him, it is open to interpretation and its quite clear she did NOT if you paid attention to the movie.
I could argue like you too - do you have any evidence she used her full powers on Wolverine? Does it say so in the commentary?
Clearly she didn't. Logan wouldn't be able to move half an inch if she didn't allow it.
Basically I have evidence for what I'm saying, you don't and you won't hear mine either.
Hey I could do the, "well I'm not gonna read your reply, but I will say that its wrong" too.
Originally posted by Placidity
How can you say its baseless or weak if you haven't even read it. That's ridiculous to be honest.Commentary or other evidence is not necessary. Nowhere is it stated she used her full powers on him, it is open to interpretation and its quite clear she did NOT if you paid attention to the movie.
I could argue like you too - do you have any evidence she used her full powers on Wolverine? Does it say so in the commentary?
Clearly she didn't. Logan wouldn't be able to move half an inch if she didn't allow it.
Basically I have evidence for what I'm saying, you don't and you won't hear mine either.
Hey I could do the, "well I'm not gonna read your reply, but I will say that its wrong" too.
K.
I didn't read any evidence, only baseless and contradictory claims. When I make a baseless claim, I make sure and try to clarify that it is baseless to prevent people from assuming that I'm trying to pass off my personal interpretations as fact. I do not fault you for it, but don't try to pass that stuff off as fact when it's clearly not. In fact, your claim is false based on screen feats. You need to back it up with something more tangible than a directly contradicted claim.
Originally posted by dadudemon
K.I didn't read any evidence, only baseless and contradictory claims. When I make a baseless claim, I make sure and try to clarify that it is baseless to prevent people from assuming that I'm trying to pass off my personal interpretations as fact. I do not fault you for it, but don't try to pass that stuff off as fact when it's clearly not. In fact, your claim is false based on screen feats. You need to back it up with something more tangible than a directly contradicted claim.
So have you read it?
Ok, wheres your evidence that she was using her full powers on him? Otherwise, your just passing on baseless claims...
Originally posted by Placidity
So have you read it?Ok, wheres your evidence that she was using her full powers on him? Otherwise, your just passing on baseless claims...
Where's your evidence that's she's holding back when all indications is she's lettin' 'er rip.
Do you have ANY evidence from any point that indicates she can go "more powerful" than that? Of course you don't...unless you'd like to commit the holy grail of vs. forum fallacies: the no limit fallacy.
Edit - and, no, I didn't read it. lol. I've hardly read anything from your posts. I just read the first and last sentences of your posts because, unlike 99% of the internet population, you write really well. 😆