Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You mean getting stalemated by the combined power of the New Gods?
So we're talking tens of thousands of New Gods, some of which are Heralds or above.
You're acting like its 10+10+10 when in fact its more like 10^10^10. HUGE difference in outcomes. 😬
Originally posted by Omega VisionIts called Synergy.
That's a pretty shitty oversimplification. Darkseid explained it, that combining the souls of New Gods makes something vastly more powerful than the sum of its parts. Hence why 5 weak Meta Level NGs like the Forever People come together to make a Trans character like Infinity Man.So we're talking thousands of New Gods, some of which are Heralds or above.
You're acting like its 10+10+10 when in fact its more like 10^10^10. HUGE difference in outcomes. 😬
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhat in my post led you to believe that I was thinking of the former and not the latter? I was comparing the combined power of the New Gods with the (claimed) power of half the Source Entity to create the Multiverse as portrayed in that arc.
That's a pretty shitty oversimplification. Darkseid explained it, that combining the souls of New Gods makes something vastly more powerful than the sum of its parts. Hence why 5 weak Meta Level NGs like the Forever People come together to make a Trans character like Infinity Man.So we're talking tens of thousands of New Gods, some of which are Heralds or above.
You're acting like its 10+10+10 when in fact its more like 10^10^10. HUGE difference in outcomes. 😬
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I don't know, maybe the part where you implied that being stalemated by the combined New Gods was some kind of shit showing.
What in my post led you to believe that I was thinking of the former and not the latter? I was comparing the combined power of the New Gods with the (claimed) power of half the Source Entity to create the Multiverse as portrayed in that arc.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What in my post led you to believe that I was thinking of the former and not the latter? I was comparing the combined power of the New Gods with the (claimed) power of half the Source Entity to create the Multiverse as portrayed in that arc.
No that's an error on my behalf it's been years since I read the issue, but just read it again and half the source only manipulated the creation of the multiverse not outright created it.
Sorry for the confusion.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNice projection. I was speaking directly to the notion that half of the Source Entity was a Multiverse creator. It got matched by Soulfire Darkseid, possessed of the combined power of the New Gods. The combined power of the New Gods wasn't going to go around and make Multiverses in Death of the New Gods. There was disconnect there. I pointed that out.
I don't know, maybe the part where you implied that being stalemated by the combined New Gods was some kind of shit showing.
Originally posted by -K-M-
They sealed off the throne room not their own realms. I'm pretty sure that was never said.We don't know anything about Zenla's realm though. Hell is fairly easy to acess though. Seemed like the Zenla battle could have been in astral form as it appeared one of the kids looked up and could see the battle above their planet
I thought they sealed of the secret portals to their realms in the council room as well as their realms (Safeguarding etc.)
From what I remember, it was in it's own separate dimension. The battle being seen on the planet is just evidence of them being on a higher plane of existence or whatever. The same was seen on Earth when the forces of Asgard and Seth fought:
Hell is a different dimension though. From what I've seen you need to have teleportation capabilities to access it. At least from what I've read in Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought they sealed of the secret portals to their realms in the council room as well as their realms (Safeguarding etc.)From what I remember, it was in it's own separate dimension. The battle being seen on the planet is just evidence of them being on a higher plane of existence or whatever. The same was seen on Earth when the forces of Asgard and Seth fought:
Hell is a different dimension though. From what I've seen you need to have teleportation capabilities to access it. At least from what I've read in Thor.
All they said was throne room, not the secret portals themselves unless I am mistaken. Anyone?
We just don't know. That's why I said we don't know anything about their dimension or them.
No, there are portals to enter Hell without physically teleporting yourself. Hercules/Cho even knows them....well the Hades portals.
Originally posted by -K-M-
All they said was throne room, not the secret portals themselves unless I am mistaken. Anyone?We just don't know. That's why I said we don't know anything about their dimension or them.
No, there are portals to enter Hell without physically teleporting yourself. Hercules/Cho even knows them....well the Hades portals.
That's how I read it. The "safeguarding part". I have re-read the issue, but what did Chaos King get Hercules to do exactly? Reveal only the throne room? Entering godly realms if they aren't sealed off should be easy. Asgard has the rainbow bridge, Olympus has the mountain tunnel etc. Heck, just get Mjolnir and Thor. I recall Hercules' omniscience being needed specifically.
Was their dimension not shown to be different from Zenla? I'm certain we saw a different plane full of different gods and technology. Why would their dimension be special or different from others?
I'm pretty sure Chaos King attacked all Hells, including the main one with "Satan" or whatever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's how I read it. The "safeguarding part". I have re-read the issue, but what did Chaos King get Hercules to do exactly? Reveal only the throne room? Entering godly realms if they aren't sealed off should be easy. Asgard has the rainbow bridge, Olympus has the mountain tunnel etc. Heck, just get Mjolnir and Thor. I recall Hercules' omniscience needed specifically.Was their dimension not shown to be different from Zenla? I'm certain we saw a different plane full of different gods and technology. Why would their dimension be any different from others?
I'm pretty sure Chaos King attacked all Hells, including the main one with "Satan" or whatever.
Only reveal the throne room, as it was sealed off so CK couldn't find it. This also prevented the gods from leaving and they could only go to their realms. Asgard and Olympus were the only clear gateways/paths to their realm and they were destroyed already at this time.
Wasn't very clear, on the 1st page Thrann was just in space using a telescope to observe the Nil Star
All Hells are basically connected. Hel's realm is directly in Mephisto's realm for instance. Even Hel and Satan were fighting side by side in the one-shot
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Well if 5 new god souls can make a trans, why can't thousands make an abstract?
Nice projection. I was speaking directly to the notion that half of the Source Entity was a Multiverse creator. It got matched by Soulfire Darkseid, possessed of the combined power of the New Gods. The combined power of the New Gods wasn't going to go around and make Multiverses in Death of the New Gods. There was disconnect there. I pointed that out.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Only reveal the throne room, as it was sealed off so CK couldn't find it. This also prevented the gods from leaving and they could only go to their realms. Asgard and Olympus were the only clear gateways/paths to their realm and they were destroyed already at this time.Wasn't very clear, on the 1st page Thrann was just in space using a telescope to observe the Nil Star
All Hells are basically connected. Hel's realm is directly in Mephisto's realm for instance. Even Hel and Satan were fighting side by side in the one-shot
So does that mean their realms were sealed off and could only be accessed through the council room? Because that makes the most sense from what I understand. Point, but it doesn't change my point.
I'm pretty certain we were shown a council room or some sort with multiple gods in their own dimension.
Are you using the latest development? If so, that isn't evidence of what you're claiming. Hela can't access Hel for some damn reason, and so Loki got a piece of Mephisto's realm for her. IIRC, Hela ran to the different realms warning them of the Chaos King's coming.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So does that mean their realms were sealed off and could only be accessed through the council room? Because that makes the most sense from what I understand. Point, but it doesn't change my point.I'm pretty certain we were shown a council room or some sort with multiple gods in their own dimension.
Are you using the latest development? If so, that isn't evidence of what you're claiming. Hela can't access Hel for some damn reason, and so Loki got a piece of Mephisto's realm for her. IIRC, Hela ran to the different realms warning them of the Chaos King's coming.
No, just the throne realm was sealed off. Most realms are not easy to get into such as the Gods of the Arctic or the Great Beasts realms but the throne room is basically the dimensional nexus for them. Easy access.
There was council yes, but it was apparently in the same place Thrall was looking through the telescope. It was VERY vague.
What latest development? Naaaa it's been said the hell realms are connected as the contunity keeps getting merged as with the case of Ghost Rider and the various Hells. How easily their connected or what extent I do not know.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHundreds of thousands, actually.So we're talking tens of thousands of New Gods, some of which are Heralds or above.
Which is quite something when you consider that the combining of 5 very weak New Gods creates the incredibly powerful Infinity Man. Another mind boggler is when you take into account that even no-name New Gods were stated to be able to create their own universes.. /shrug
Originally posted by bagsikdangal101
👆 It seems people don't pay attention to context this days.Lets see the tag lines in Chaos War#5CHAOS KING TRIUMPHANT! or The Universe dies and everybody wins!huh?
The Chaos King was content in the Continuum/Bubble Universe that he was sent to.He wasn't struggling to get out of the Continuum/Bubble Universe that was separate from the Multiverse.Besides, how the heck do you beat something that Death has no Jurisdiction on.CK made Death flee the Multiverse.CK is the only villain I know who got what he wanted in the end.Its more of "wont" than "can't".
Wont=You are capable of doing it but you choose not to.
Can't=You try to do it but it is beyond what you're capable of.
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