Originally posted by bbrem123
wtf?...for real? no other abstract were involved?...death ran from him and eternity couldnt do shit either...then u have galactus that was nothing to CK....hey thats 3 top dog abstracts right there...
Is Dormammu Multiversal now?
Originally posted by bbrem123
wtf?...for real? no other abstract were involved?...death ran from him and eternity couldnt do shit either...then u have galactus that was nothing to CK....hey thats 3 top dog abstracts right there...then u have hercules who was above all of them
You know I meant it as no abstracts fought back against him other than big g
Death fleeing this reality when the abstracts of our multiverse exist nowhere else but our multiverse actually helps the argument that chaos king was absorbing only an universe and not the multiverse...
Eternity wouldn't do anything... Not couldn't...
And nowhere did it say Hercules power levels were above eternity. He called himself the all father...
Originally posted by Omega VisionWell he is the Scientist Supreme. sneer
Nice try. At least Spectre has proven he can beat Heralds.What's E's greatest combat feat? Pwning Hank Pym? durlaugh
In all seriousness though, I'm pretty sure Eternity defeated Dormammu straight up after Dr. Strange released him. Same with Nightmare.
Originally posted by rotiartThat's to create a sense of drama. I don't believe the writer deceived us when he had a character state 98 percent of the multiverse has been destroyed. That's just lunacy to believe the writer deceived us there.
Cho is proven wrong at least once. This makes him a person... With opinions... Being correct in how to beat chaos king does not mean he was correct that 98% of the multiverse was destroyed... And like five seconds before he figures out how to beat him he was adamant there was no way to beat the chaos king.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well he is the Scientist Supreme. sneerIn all seriousness though, I'm pretty sure Eternity defeated Dormammu straight up after Dr. Strange released him. Same with Nightmare.
I've been wondering about this myself. Eternity seems pretty pathetic for a high end abstract. It's not just the fact that he jobs to people he has no business losing to, I'm talking about his on panel displays of power too.
Remember when Eternity threatened Thanos with "total annihilation" and let loose "with all his righteous fury" and the only casualty was Thanos' home world? Sad.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ And the TOAA talked to Spider-Man once. Is Spider-Man Multiversal because he got TOAA's attention?
Nice try, but the fact you admitted not reading Chaos War proves you don't know what actually transpired.In Chaos War:Chaos King, Thrann stated that everything in the beginning was Darkness and Chaos.You can't tell time or what's up or down.Then the First Mover(The One Above All) brought order in the Darkness and Chaos.Hence he started creation.This implies that the Chaos king was once the Multiverse and his power was shattered by TOAA.And it was stated that the Darkness and Chaos was the Nil Star(according to Zenn-lanian language) who happens to be the Chaos King.Hence, the Chaos King's fall from the cosmic order.In other words, creation wouldn't start if TOAA didn't shatter the Darkness and Chaos(Chaos King).Thrann stated he was the end of all things.You should also check out one of The Japanese Creation Myths since that is were FVL got his idea about the Chaos King.The only alteration FVL did was he replaced In and Yo(they were responsible for Mikaboshi's power being shattered to start creation in Japanese Myths) with The One Above All in their place instead.And you ignored the scan I posted about the Chaos War😘-men tie-ins.It seems strange that TOAA didn't help when Abraxas was destroying Universe after Universe.But how come TOAA(Through Destiny's Prophecy) intervened when a villain appears who was only destroying 1 Universe?CK must have done something Catastrophic if TOAA was mentioned in order to stop him through the embodiments of creation.
Originally posted by rotiart
You know I meant it as no abstracts fought back against him other than big g
Death fleeing this reality when the abstracts of our multiverse exist nowhere else but our multiverse actually helps the argument that chaos king was absorbing only an universe and not the multiverse...Eternity wouldn't do anything... Not couldn't...
And nowhere did it say Hercules power levels were above eternity. He called himself the all father...
I remember an issue were the Abstracts Infinity and Oblivion were talking outside the Multiverse to discuss the actions of Oblivion's avatar Maelstrom.Hence they can go outside of the Multiverse.Abstracts(Infinity and Oblivion) tends to use Avatars to settle their differences.
As for Herc, didn't I already showed that Gaea's so called power up was an intellect upgrade?So his power/plot device to go toe to toe with a villain who was destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse came from the Chaos War😘-men tie-ins.Herc was powered by the embodiments of creation via TOAA.TOAA has more involvement in this event(Chaos War:Chaos King,Chaos War Thor#1 and #2, and Chaos War😘-men #1 and #2.
I'll be back tomorrow when I'm home with my comics and not on an iPhone to double check your claims.
But I do not recall any thing that identifies a powerboost to Hercules. He was always empowered the same since the power was transferred to him... Gaea may have shown him how to use his powers but Cho had become a skyfather supposedly and then gave it to hercules
btw the abstracts were not outside the multiverse but in oblivions realm Which is itself a near void that is still a portion of the universe... They were in inklings realm Which quasar and maelstrom had entered after ring pulled into the singularity maelstrom was trying to destroy the universe with...
I don't even know why this thread went on so long when Imperiex was full of nothing but hyperbole. He never destroyed what was "stated" that he was capable of destroying.
Imperiex doesn't have the feats showing what it was stated that he was/is capable of.
Hell, one of his imperiex Probes had to build a device in order to shed a planet... it didn't have the neccessary power to do it on its own.
Originally posted by bbrem1231: Neither Death nor eternity didn't fight CK, both for different reasons.
wtf?...for real? no other abstract were involved?...death ran from him and eternity couldnt do shit either...then u have galactus that was nothing to CK....hey thats 3 top dog abstracts right there...then u have hercules who was above all of them
Originally posted by carver9
I don't even know why this thread went on so long when Imperiex was full of nothing but hyperbole. He never destroyed what was "stated" that he was capable of destroying.Imperiex doesn't have the feats showing what it was stated that he was/is capable of.
Hell, one of his imperiex Probes had to build a device in order to shed a planet... it didn't have the neccessary power to do it on its own.
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Okay some clarity!
First. Thor did not call upon anyone to help him with Glory. His human form donald blake did as well as Jessica to the creator of all men... you can take that to mean whatever you want...
In the xmen issues Proudstar refers to the thunderbird the god of his people, and calls it the one above all, and asks it to take back his power.
the part of destiny's diary that mentions nature's allys are obviously referring to the great beasts in the alpha flight issues..
there was no power amp shown in the issues. bags you either flat out lied, or you are just plain delusional. if you HAD read the xmen issues, you'd see throughout the story how proudstar refers to what the thunderbird is... cough..
btw even destiny says the future is only hers to see, and that she didn't tell people what they needed to hear, but what she wanted them to hear! as shown when she confronted the trickster god. in Chaos War Xmen #2.
poof.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: Neither Death nor eternity didn't fight CK, both for different reasons.
2: The only one that did fight him was galactus, and a lot of the times galactus is a damn p*ssy
3: Please...[b]PLEASE prove Herc was above them all. And don't say he was on CK level becasue he was not. Nor did he beat any abstracts or close. [/B]
so why didnt death fight?...please what is the reason?...maybe she didnt want to shit stomp?
Didnt say he was CK level...he got raped by CK...just the fact that galactus couldnt do jackshit along with death and eternity(and every other character that faced CK)...and he also remade what CK destroyed(while severely injured)
Originally posted by bbrem123Because then Pak couldn't wank Herc.Flat out the reason Death and Eternity didn't fight would be because they would have stomped.
so why didnt death fight?...please what is the reason?...maybe she didnt want to shit stomp?Didnt say he was CK level...he got raped by CK...just the fact that galactus couldnt do jackshit along with death and eternity(and every other character that faced CK)...and he also remade what CK destroyed(while severely injured)
Originally posted by rotiart
Okay some clarity!
First. Thor did not call upon anyone to help him with Glory. His human form donald blake did as well as Jessica to the creator of all men... you can take that to mean whatever you want...In the xmen issues Proudstar refers to the thunderbird the god of his people, and calls it the one above all, and asks it to take back his power.
the part of destiny's diary that mentions nature's allys are obviously referring to the great beasts in the alpha flight issues..
there was no power amp shown in the issues. bags you either flat out lied, or you are just plain delusional. if you HAD read the xmen issues, you'd see throughout the story how proudstar refers to what the thunderbird is... cough..
btw even destiny says the future is only hers to see, and that she didn't tell people what they needed to hear, but what she wanted them to hear! as shown when she confronted the trickster god. in Chaos War Xmen #2.
poof.
I never said Thor called out to the creator, I even mentioned Thor was able to defeat Glory through the prayers of Becca and Don Blake.
Here's an interview that makes the Chaos King Multiversal.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/chaos-war-from-the-field-1-101015.html
Nrama: One more question on my end — the Chaos King’s goal is bringing things back to a state of nothingness, as things were when he first existed. But a state of nothingness is the opposite of chaos, isn’t it? Wouldn’t he rather have this ensuing chaos continue in perpetuity?Van Lente: Different cultures interpret this entity differently. To the Greeks, in Ovid, in Metamorphoses, he describes this pre-universe state as “chaos.” [Reads.] “Crude, linked mass, nothing but tonnage; discordant elements and badly bound congestion.” Those crazy Romans. In other words, it’s not always necessarily a void. The Bible calls it just the “waters of the deep” in Genesis. All of this stuff is what the Chaos King represents.
Pak: I think the Chaos King, he’s tired of this incessant yammering from all of creation. He’s the “get off my lawn” villain of the Marvel Universe. It’s time for everyone to get off his lawn, and everything to return to that beautiful, sweet quiet of the void that existed before creation. He could just continue to plunge the world into chaos and maintain a constant upheaval, but there would still be a level or order, just because people would be kicking around. And it would also be really annoying for him. He’s ready to just put out the lights.
Now I understand what they meant CK is the original Oblivion.Because he was the Void in the beginning before everything else existed.In the beginning was non-existence.Meaning in the beginning, there was no Multiverse in the Marvel Universe.Come to think of it, the back story to CK is about the origin of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse.Thrann,Hera,even Gaea Mentions the story of creation of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse by TOAA.TOAA is more involved in this.There goes the CK is not Multiversal since FVL and GP describes the beginning of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse.If it weren't for the movement of TOAA pawning CK in the beginning, there will be no Marvel Universe/Multiverse.The Thunderbird was the 1 responsible for bringing the dead X-men in muir isle.Never did Destiny called the Thunderbird as The One Above All.She did call the Thunderbird as the anvil who will unlock the gate.So what the Dead X-men did was all for nothing?Is that how you interpret it?Then CK shouldn't have sent the Carrion Crow to take down the Dead X-men if what their going to do wasn't a threat to him.
Originally posted by rotiart
Hercules states he saved the UNIVERSE
Athena refers to creation being save. Also calls it a corrupted UNIVERSE
Cho States Galactus is the oldest entity in this UNIVERSEYou can find scans of Cho referring to all this as a "multiverse" but even Athena and hercules state all they saved was the UNIVERSE.
Originally posted by Igniz
Its weird when you don't believe Amadeus Cho's statement of CK destroying 98.76% of the Multiverse and how you say CK only destroyed one Universe and yet now you use his statement to prove Galactus is the Oldest Entity in the Universe to disprove CK is not the oldest Entity in the Marvel Universe or Multiverse?Now you're just net picking.Did you know that Multi-Eternity aka True Eternity represents all of the Multiverse(FFAnnual2001)?Which makes him Multiversal.And the fact the Chaos King was proven an abstract by Eternity(which would still represents Multi-Eternity) in Chaos War#2.There is only one Living Tribunal(which makes him Multiversal).There is only one Abraxas(which also makes him Multiversal).Now can you prove there is a Chaos King from another Universe(unless retconned of course)?FYI there is nothing wrong with asking the writers.Since the writers are the one writing this and they are the ones who could shed some light into what they write.And its funny that you are using the comic that FVL and GP wrote as proof and then complain when someone uses their interview that happens to describe what is happening in the comic event they wrote or how they describes the main baddie in said event as proof.Weird huh?
