Imperiex Prime vs Chaos King

Originally posted by rotiart
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You realize for all his supergenius he came out and said... There is 100% nothing we can do to win against chaos king...

And then he goes oh wait there is!

Thus cho can make errors...

Also death and the entities we call abstracts reside only in the marvel multiverse presided over by the living tribunal... There are other entities in other multimeters but our abstracts don't exist there... Thus how would death flee our multiverse to. Place where she doesnt exist... Or he could be fleeing our universe to one where she still exists...

The zenn la gods were not an alternate reality. They were our own. They commented about how they didnt protect their people before when galactus came... Galactus... A universal entity... Not
Multiversal...

Chos tech was mainly banners tech... The shields were banners the mace was Hercules...

Cho was claimed to be the seventh smartest person and iirc ant man challenged that classification.

Cho who was determined because of a cereal box contest?...

What has cho actually done on panel that even puts him in the top eight besides hacking phones and iPods things Tony stark has been doing for years... And Tony even had a villain that made armor that used their own life forces.. Like starktech 2.0 stuff...

Cho is a wannabe so farz he hasn't proven he's anywhere near the same level as the rest. Using claimed statements is pointless. He even looked like a child wanting to play with his dads toys when he told galactus he'd help te big g fis a solution. Seriously galan ignored cho.

Btw death left the marvel universe... The same
Time the cancervese stuff is going down with the magus trying to off her. If she really fled... Yeah...

never once did it say it was only 616...multiverse was said and you through it away...whatever...all of existence was said multiple times and all that CK was there before everything and was the void before anything existed...even before galactus's universe...yet you still get 616...i just wanna see some proof that is was just 616 besides ur assumptions, which have no backing evidence except a stupid hercules that says universe at the end...but wtf does he know...

CK rapestomp a universal Hercules....who was said many times...to have no chance against CK...Hercules also had omniscent when Cho said his statement...dont you think he would have corrected him...o wait he didnt have to cuz cho was right...what do u kno!

Originally posted by bbrem123
did u read CW?

For the record no, I didn't read it beginning to end, but I saw the scan where Cho makes his "Multiverse" statement and saw it the same way I saw the Spider-Man "Sentry stalemated Galactus" aside: as out-of-left field bullshit that shouldn't be used in a serious argument for character power levels.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Can you counteract any of my points without dodging?

For the record no, I didn't read it beginning to end, but I saw the scan where Cho makes his "Multiverse" statement and saw it the same way I saw the Spider-Man "Sentry stalemated Galactus" aside: as out-of-left field bullshit that shouldn't be used in a serious argument for character power levels.

so dont debate what u see scans of...read the whole then ill debate with u....

Originally posted by bbrem123
so dont debate what u see scans of...read the whole then ill debate with u....

Cool.

Our debate isn't one about the story of Chaos War, its one of the logic or lack thereof of Cho's comment being taken at face value without external support for it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you can't counter my points?

Cool.

Our debate isn't one about the story of Chaos War, its one of the logic or lack thereof of Cho's comment being taken at face value without external support for it.

im arguing that CK is mutliversal...im just using chos statement to strengthen my point

Originally posted by bbrem123
never once did it say it was only 616...multiverse was said and you through it away...whatever...all of existence was said multiple times and all that CK was there before everything and was the void before anything existed...even before galactus's universe...yet you still get 616...i just wanna see some proof that is was just 616 besides ur assumptions, which have no backing evidence except a stupid hercules that says universe at the end...but wtf does he know...

Is the 616 universe called a multiverse? yes or no

Did we see ANY alternate reality in the main series or any of the tie ins? Yes or No

Do you have proof they were refering to a multiverse including alternate realities? Yes or no.

So CK was before all existance that would include the omniverse. Do you consider CK omniverse level now? Yes or no.

Originally posted by bbrem123
so dont debate what u see scans of...read the whole then ill debate with u....

I have read it all. Now what?

Originally posted by bbrem123
im arguing that CK is mutliversal...im just using chos statement to strengthen my point

and it was proven as faulty. Now what?

Imperiex Prime by default. One of these guys is a crappy ripoff of Final Crisis. duroll Guess who.

Originally posted by bbrem123
im arguing that CK is mutliversal...im just using chos statement to strengthen my point

Ck represents the void before this and galactus universe... Great.. Did that make him that powerful? No? Why is that.. Because tw Japanese pantheon sealed him away by their own power...

As he gained power did it say he was on the power level of someone like toaa? Like living tribunal? How about Phoenix? Did it say his power rivaled the big bang? It threatened all existence? Yes!?

Okay Thanos was God.. And then god again.. And then.. Yet again... But but... Isnt thoti>ig>cc?! Omg say what?! And check this those were narrations not statements by in comic character who have been proven to be wrong before ?! Omg faulty logic!

So let's take the argument that Odin when his power was felt across the multiverse was more than 616... Wouldn't in the other universe when those respective odins and Zeus do displays of power our 616 feels it too?! Or maybe their respective universes are considered multiverses also.. Because of the other connected dimensions and realms... Maybe...

And ll you've done is provide the assumption that because someone represents an abstract ideal they are uber powerful?

If mr chaos king was so multiversal how come the big guns like chaos, order, etc don't step in? Not a single abstract? The only one is galan? Gee I wonder why...

And yet during the cancerverse issues when all of the universe is threatened even the aegis and tenebrous step in...

What about the celestials there is no self preservation there?

What you have are statements you are using to reach with yourself.
The best evidence you have is going to be a twitter account message and that's about it. Why. Because the writers that be did not CLEARLY write in the fact that it was a multiversal event. Or even throw in the normal indicators that it was a multiversal event.

After galactus the biggest higher ups affected were skyfathers. Where were the watchers even... Remember how many appeared when maelstrom was gonna collapse the universe... Or Thanos did... Well... Anything? Yeah...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you can't counter my points?

Cool.

Our debate isn't one about the story of Chaos War, its one of the logic or lack thereof of Cho's comment being taken at face value without external support for it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cho represents the writer getting his point across. It's plain to see and since you don't like it of course you will try to downplay it but the point is very clear. These comments aren't to deceive the writer.

I think that's a fair argument that the writer may have used cho as an intermediary but let's be fair that we normally use narration as fact and not character statements. Because it is difficult to know the difference between the writer speaking and the characters opinion.

Originally posted by rotiart
I think that's a fair argument that the writer may have used cho as an intermediary but let's be fair that we normally use narration as fact and not character statements. Because it is difficult to know the difference between the writer speaking and the characters opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I get that but in this instance it's 'clear the character's words are to be taken as fact.

If there were abstracts or other actual universes shown or something else I would say you are right. But there wasnt. Thus the reason why so many people say it wasn't clear.

Originally posted by rotiart
I think that's a fair argument that the writer may have used cho as an intermediary but let's be fair that we normally use narration as fact and not character statements. Because it is difficult to know the difference between the writer speaking and the characters opinion.

There is also Destiny's diary that mentions The-One-Above-All rally the embodiments of creation(who might also be responsible for Herc's amp).I seem to notice that The One Above All gets mentioned a lot of times in this event.He gets mentioned in Chaos War😘-men#1 and #2.In Chaos War:Thor#2, Becca mentions the true God(TOAA) helped Thor defeat Glory(who stated he was amped by CK) through prayer.In Chaos War:Chaos King, Thrann the saint of science mentioned the first mover(TOAA) was responsible for bringing order in the Darkness and Chaos(Chaos King's downfall).TOAA wasn't mentioned nor did he help in the Abraxas saga.Yet Abraxas was destroying Universe after Universe.It seems strange that TOAA was more mentioned and he's presence was often pointed out in an event were a villain(CK) was only destroying one Universe.CK must have done something catastrophic in order for TOAA to get involved.

Originally posted by rotiart
If there were abstracts or other actual universes shown or something else I would say you are right. But there wasnt. Thus the reason why so many people say it wasn't clear.

Originally posted by Igniz
There is also Destiny's diary that mentions The-One-Above-All rally the embodiments of creation(who might also be responsible for Herc's amp).I seem to notice that The One Above All gets mentioned a lot of times in this event.He gets mentioned in Chaos War😘-men#1 and #2.In Chaos War:Thor#2, Becca mentions the true God(TOAA) helped Thor defeat Glory(who stated he was amped by CK) through prayer.In Chaos War:Chaos King, Thrann the saint of science mentioned the first mover(TOAA) was responsible for bringing order in the Darkness and Chaos(Chaos King's downfall).TOAA wasn't mentioned nor did he help in the Abraxas saga.Yet Abraxas was destroying Universe after Universe.It seems strange that TOAA was more mentioned and he's presence was often pointed out in an event were a villain(CK) was only destroying one Universe.CK must have done something catastrophic in order for TOAA to get involved.

Actually if you go off the context of the diary the only people rallying everyone was hercules. He summoned galactus etc... Hercules even was refered to as the all father or superior to all the skyfathers...

In the issue where chaos king defeats Satan he convulses with the sheer magnitude of power gained... The ghosteider serves satans opposite...

As to the humans comments she also prefaces her comments im this first issue with something like while I wasn't there I imagine this is what happened...

In the second issue they pray and glory is defeated she says it's the true god... She states I'm the first issue iirc that she is christian but has taken to worship of other gods like Thor and Buddha... Do you know if she was actually talking about who...

However... The first solid argument I completely forgot about. The zenn
La god does mention the first mover. This is actually the most clear and is probably the best term used by an actual being that should know... Who toaa is. Good show. Everything else being conjecture. This is actually a clear argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think it needs to be shown and we saw already that cho was indeed correct in how to beat him. If you ask the writer do you honestly think he will say cho's statements are to believed or to be false.

Cho is proven wrong at least once. This makes him a person... With opinions... Being correct in how to beat chaos king does not mean he was correct that 98% of the multiverse was destroyed... And like five seconds before he figures out how to beat him he was adamant there was no way to beat the chaos king.

Originally posted by rotiart
Actually if you go off the context of the diary the only people rallying everyone was hercules. He summoned galactus etc... Hercules even was refered to as the all father or superior to all the skyfathers...

In the issue where chaos king defeats Satan he convulses with the sheer magnitude of power gained... The ghosteider serves satans opposite...

As to the humans comments she also prefaces her comments im this first issue with something like while I wasn't there I imagine this is what happened...

In the second issue they pray and glory is defeated she says it's the true god... She states I'm the first issue iirc that she is christian but has taken to worship of other gods like Thor and Buddha... Do you know if she was actually talking about who...

However... The first solid argument I completely forgot about. The zenn
La god does mention the first mover. This is actually the most clear and is probably the best term used by an actual being that should know... Who toaa is. Good show. Everything else being conjecture. This is actually a clear argument.

One Above All involved.

John Proudstar succeeds in his mission.

One Above All is mentioned again.

Take note that the Dead X-men aren't in Chaos War#5.And its clear the Chaos War😘-men tie-ins have more significance in the event since they actually did something to turn the tide against the Chaos King.Also note that in an interview with GP and FVL, they stated Gaea only gave Hercules an intellect upgrade.So Hercules was actually powered by the embodiments of creation.Becca was portrayed worshiping many Gods.But she mentioned while praying, she also felt Don Blake was praying.And that the true God(TOAA) did help Thor.And take note that Thor at 1 time states that there is a God whose radiance outshines as all.CK got TOAA's attention via a Prophecy against him as compared to Imperiex Prime who doesn't even have a prophecy that involves the Presence(DCU's Supreme being).

^ And the TOAA talked to Spider-Man once. Is Spider-Man Multiversal because he got TOAA's attention?

Originally posted by rotiart
Ck represents the void before this and galactus universe... Great.. Did that make him that powerful? No? Why is that.. Because tw Japanese pantheon sealed him away by their own power...

As he gained power did it say he was on the power level of someone like toaa? Like living tribunal? How about Phoenix? Did it say his power rivaled the big bang? It threatened all existence? Yes!?

Okay Thanos was God.. And then god again.. And then.. Yet again... But but... Isnt thoti>ig>cc?! Omg say what?! And check this those were narrations not statements by in comic character who have been proven to be wrong before ?! Omg faulty logic!

So let's take the argument that Odin when his power was felt across the multiverse was more than 616... Wouldn't in the other universe when those respective odins and Zeus do displays of power our 616 feels it too?! Or maybe their respective universes are considered multiverses also.. Because of the other connected dimensions and realms... Maybe...

And ll you've done is provide the assumption that because someone represents an abstract ideal they are uber powerful?

If mr chaos king was so multiversal how come the big guns like chaos, order, etc don't step in? Not a single abstract? The only one is galan? Gee I wonder why...

And yet during the cancerverse issues when all of the universe is threatened even the aegis and tenebrous step in...

What about the celestials there is no self preservation there?

What you have are statements you are using to reach with yourself.
The best evidence you have is going to be a twitter account message and that's about it. Why. Because the writers that be did not CLEARLY write in the fact that it was a multiversal event. Or even throw in the normal indicators that it was a multiversal event.

After galactus the biggest higher ups affected were skyfathers. Where were the watchers even... Remember how many appeared when maelstrom was gonna collapse the universe... Or Thanos did... Well... Anything? Yeah...

wtf?...for real? no other abstract were involved?...death ran from him and eternity couldnt do shit either...then u have galactus that was nothing to CK....hey thats 3 top dog abstracts right there...then u have hercules who was above all of them